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Dota 2 Discussion (~Boston Majors & Road to TI7~)

What modes should we play?


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Furry Weeaboo Nazi Nihilist
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Support tends to not work as a role in pubs anyways. Until you get past a certain threshold of skill, people don't farm well enough to take advantage of having a support hero making the map safe for them to farm quickly. In a proper game a single hero with no abilities at all can make 700+ GPM if left unmolested after the 6 minute mark. In the games you're playing, they'll maybe break 500. Maybe. Huge amounts of farm will be wasted in the jungle and empty lanes if you try to play a hard support role for a bad team.

If you want to support anyways, you need to learn how to support in a pub, which tends to involve aggressive warding (nobody ever dewards) and ganking the most vulnerable target repeatedly while keeping a TP scroll on hand at all times to defend towers or allies dying near towers. You'll need people to help you though, even against bad players solo ganking isn't viable if they just stick together or happen to have heroes you're ineffective against.

A very useful role to learn is initiator. A hero like Earthskaer or Sandking or Magnus that can stun multiple enemies at once and start a fight at a huge advantage for his team can turn the tide of games easily if playing with allies of similar skill level. Just be prepared to rage a lot when you line up the enemy team as the perfect turkey shoot and your team stands around doing nothing because they suck. But playing these kinds of heroes will help you recognize when big clashes like that are about to go down and help you to jump in quicker as either side when you're not the one starting shit.
 

MetalCraze

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Sven is no support indeed. He's more like semi-ganker/semi-carry. There are better supports.

Great and proper supports are chars a la Disruptor or Crystal Maiden. Granted it takes some time to get used to Disruptor's playstyle but you can easily make your team rape the other team in team fights (unless they are total morons). Teamfights are usually very bunched up so you just drop his silence and his Q to help deal enough AoE damage to all bunched up enemies to make at least one bug off - which in the end does exactly that - disrupts the fuck out of their teamfights and even ganks. And of course he has great 2 other abilities that locks enemies in one place and if someone escaped returns him into the cage (this one is pretty tricky to pull off however)

Likewise Crystal Maiden on noob tier can really help a non-totally imbecile team rape. Her freeze will let her disable the important char carrying the other team - and if your team aren't complete morons they should rape the frozen dude first. Her AoE slow is also pretty good in teamfights although not as annoying as disruptor's ulti. Her global mana regen aura is pretty great too when maxed helping to sustain your team on lanes longer. Her ulti however is near useless unless your team has everyone busy in the teamfight since any non-retard team will focus her first and she must not move for an ulti to keep working.

Also Omniknight is badass as fuck - great heal, magic immunity, AoE physical immunity + speed ult - but he requires a non-retard team that will stick together for his ult and keep other team from focusing him since you must go into melee with him. But he's not as squishy as other supports by far.
 

Malakal

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Jugger = shit. This movie = shit glorifier.

But elder titan is very nice one of my favorites. Will try playing it now that its not rush picked (too hard for most people apparently).
 
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Those picks, ITZ happening!

http://www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit
About to start as of the time of this post.
 

MetalCraze

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Bounty Hunter = teh awsum.
That lategame 1k burst on demand.

Great for instantly telling the team who to focus too. Also you farm by killing faggots. That reliable gold bonus is so nice.
 

Malakal

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Its not a reliable gold bonus because you have to 1. mark the target with track 2. kill it. I know SOME bhs that dont even use track.
 

Humppaleka

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BH is pretty crap yes. No reason to pick over Nyx because fucking everyone forgets to Track. Doesn't even work as a carry that well as skillset is mainly for ganking... But what do I know.
 

Castanova

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Wow. Just wow.

Ever since this new matchmaking system went in, this game is a total fucking joke. 25+ games in a row, 100% of them total stomps one way or another. Further, the game seems to think I'm really fucking good at this game or something because I keep getting grouped with 4 slobbering retards. Sorry, but I'm an average player. I can't carry 4 children to victory by myself against a full team.

Furthermore, the new trend seems to be: lane for 8 minutes, then group as 5 and death push. Makes for the most boring fucking games I could possibly imagine, as if the shit quality of the players wasn't enough.

Valve should go eat a fucking AIDS dick.
 
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AngryEddy

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Wow. Just wow.

Ever since this new matchmaking system went in, this game is a total fucking joke. 25+ games in a row, 100% of them total stomps one way or another. Further, the game seems to think I'm really fucking good at this game or something because I keep getting grouped with 4 slobbering retards. Sorry, but I'm an average player. I can't carry 4 children to victory by myself against a full team.

Furthermore, the new trend seems to be: lane for 8 minutes, then group as 5 and death push. Makes for the most boring fucking games I could possibly imagine, as if the shit quality of the players wasn't enough.

Valve should go eat a fucking AIDS dick.


Yup, MM will force you to lose if you are winning to much. Also, I second the fuck Valve motion.
 

Zed

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they should add techies, reduce invis time of shadow blade, and nerf nyx (reduce damage on manaburn and ulti, slightly). also reduce armor/hp on slark just slightly.
that should be enough to shake things up a bit.
 

Cromwell

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Wow. Just wow.

Ever since this new matchmaking system went in, this game is a total fucking joke. 25+ games in a row, 100% of them total stomps one way or another. Further, the game seems to think I'm really fucking good at this game or something because I keep getting grouped with 4 slobbering retards. Sorry, but I'm an average player. I can't carry 4 children to victory by myself against a full team.

Furthermore, the new trend seems to be: lane for 8 minutes, then group as 5 and death push. Makes for the most boring fucking games I could possibly imagine, as if the shit quality of the players wasn't enough.

Valve should go eat a fucking AIDS dick.


When did they implement a new system?
 

Space Satan

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The system in fact balances as levels go up and will not distribute levels like 11-1-1-1-1 vs 5-5-5-5-5.
Plus, in DOTA EVERYONE is blaming others for team fail. That is a rule that never to be violated.
 

MetalCraze

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Also your win chance at the start of the game depends on how many russians you've gotten on the team.
So if the other team has one russian and your team got two - you are fucked.

For example in my most recent game my team had no russians and the other team had two. So we won and the frag score was 69 - 6.
 

Space Satan

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Russia is one of the largest blooming markets for Steam and DOTA lately. Which means lots of school shit and new players. The problem is that they go stright to normal game, instead of Bot training. 30+ levels russians are ok, but 13 year boys from school are a load of crap.
 

Malakal

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Furthermore, the new trend seems to be: lane for 8 minutes, then group as 5 and death push. Makes for the most boring fucking games I could possibly imagine, as if the shit quality of the players wasn't enough.
Valve should go eat a fucking AIDS dick.

That isnt my experience at all, but if it keeps happening to you just pick heroes like KotL or Death Prophet that can stall pushes way into the late game with their creep wave cleaning capacity. Of course the question is if your carry (Russian riki) will use this time to farm properly...
 

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