CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[MasPingon]

I have tried it once more. This time with "skip unskippable cutscenes mod", which is god send, I wouldn't have patience to play without it. I have a different opinion about this game now, after about 20 hours of playing 2.0.

Last time I've played it was 2020, it was bad game overall - clusterfuck of player character development, horrible AI, bare-bones gameplay systems(driving,police,map,perks,quest giving), empty, ugly city and stupid progress system. Some of the game elements looked like they were made by 14 years old modders after "make your own game in 3 days" weekend course. There was barely any gameplay at all and if it was it didn't work.

Now it looks like a proper game, you can clearly see it was made by different people, who know what they're doing. It is smooth, character development system is now satisfying, music kicks in right moments, every car feels different, there is finally life on the streets of Night city. They fixed phone calls, bugs, malee combat and add a lot of quality of life improvements. If you ignore main story, it's actually hell of a fun.

Now I can see there is an "old CDPR" behind this game, I'm surprised there are parts of writing on par with The Witcher , it's something I couldn't notice before, because of how dissapointing other parts of this game were. There are things beyond redemption you couldn't fix, cause of deep design decisions that were made years ago, but this is enough, I don't feel a butthurt anymore. It's a good game you can finally play. Music and world design are great, shooting and driving are fun, side jobs and gigs are entertaining, there is a lot of production value. You can appreciate it now while this game is finished. Good job CDPR. Just add "skip unskippable cutscenes mod" to your base game.

 

[AwesomeButton]

You have to use an XP reduction mod.

I'll have to search for a slower progression curve on nexus. Sadly it seems there is no mod that reduces how much money you get

Here it is. Dependencies are updated too. https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/3136
Too much money remains a problem, yeah. I guess self policing how many weapo s and clothes you loot is an option, but it's hard, yes.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Not sure what the purpose of a flatter XP curve would even be in a world without fixed levels.

Right now, slowing your XP progression means you're simply delaying the enemies from getting cybernetics, stims or hacks, all of which make the gameplay more engaging.

Level ranges based on district still exist. It's not as simple as enemy level=player level.

 

[moon knight]

Funny that V does not level up at all during his half a year cooperation with Jackie

Well, V goes from being a car theft busted by police (street kid) to take on a scavenger hideout to rescue a VIP, so...there's progression in these 6 months.

 

[Moink]

Yeah the exp gain is way too high. Clearing all of Wattson+Westbrook before talking to Taki in the cafe got me to Level 36/50 Street Cred.

 

[Yosharian]

Personally I don't mind spending time at maximum level, gives you a chance to see your build at its apex

 

[gurugeorge]

Yeah the exp gain is way too high. Clearing all of Wattson+Westbrook before talking to Taki in the cafe got me to Level 36/50 Street Cred.

Same, I cleared Watson before (or interspersed with the leadup up to) the Heist as I usually do, and then Westbrook and other areas to taste before meeting Taki in the caf, and I'm already at lvl 30. Definitely need that xp slowdown. (I've decided that I'm determined in this playthrough to do and see all the things )

There seem to be a couple of modding possibilities for questlines now, the old scripting one that the author's been struggling through the various updates with, and a more recent one by someone else (where he seems to be adding little bits and pieces to the standard quests, like having you be able to talk to Jackie in the Columbarium).

While it's impossible to fix the game up as it should have been (with early to mid-game progression being proper RPG progression through the open world via fixers and factions, etc., with the main storyline as it is now being a more kinetic, story-driven endgame), maybe it's possible to tweak the questlines as they exist to "stage" things a bit better, so that one's natural instinct to wander around, see the sights and level up your Rep so that you're in a position to be chosen for the Heist, is better served without having to awkwardly have that thing where you can leave Dex in the cab or Taki in the caf or waterfront for an eternity while doing virtually the entire map.

I mean, it was sensible of CDPR to allow that asynchronous wait time, but it's a kind of kludge, and it's not as satisfactory from an rp point of view as it would be if the main story were delayed to a better time. Would probably have to tweak the early quests a bit.

I'm thinking:-

1) You could delay Jackie's post scav rescue mission, "I've got a mish from Dexter De Shawn" discussion till you've gotten a few levels under your belt from doing Watson during the lockdown. The only tricky thing there is the infection you got from the scav mission having to be cleared by Victor and the new player having to be introduced to their car and to cyberware at that point. But I wonder if it's possible to "split off" the Jackie call bit about seeing Victor and getting your car back from the "hey I've got a mission from Dexter De Shawn" bit? Maybe with some AI tweakage? So basically Jackie still calls you the morning after the scav mission, but the noodle bar convo at that point is limited getting your car back and seing Vic for the first time, and then then later you get an audio call from Jackie that lifts the rest of the Dex-related audio from the noodle bar meetup, getting you to meet up with Dex in the car? Something like that?

2) Then you could delay the Taki call to meet in the caf till you're like lvl 30 or something, so you've had a chance to explore the rest of the city in your "a few weeks, tops" that Victor gives you after the Heist. And then the main and side-main missions would progress as-is after that, and it would be fittingly kinetic and focussed solely on the story.

I'm sure something like that could be worked out to give the game a better flow. It's still not fixable in the sense that there's no story at all until you get the Heist mission, and there's no fixer/faction progression through the city. But at least it would feel more natural from an rp point of view.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Pacing the story through levels is a good idea, but not when the game opens up with "You're dead. Go have fun!". If the story was reframed from a desperate, time sensitive struggle for a cure, to a slower paced investigation of what the consequences of the Heist actually mean for the player character, you'd have the opportunity to slow the events enough for all the side content to feel like a natural part of everyday existence for V, and not a massive waste of time that Johnny rightfully points out as being really dumb on several occasions.

 

[Ben Zyklon]

Life paths and RPG elements of the game weren't fixed in 2.0 right?

Probably don't since that would mean to change the core of the game and that would be too much work for a multi million dollar company.

 

[Immortal]

A fanboy take

THIS UPDATE IS INSANE!
YOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHAT THEY DID!
THIS FINALLY FIXES CYBERPUNK!
CDPROJEKT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND!1!!1!
INSANE UPDATE!
10 HIDDEN FEATURES!
150GB UPDATE!
MASSIVE UPDATE!
TOP 10 DONG MODS!
INSANE NEW FEATURE!
STARFIELD JUST GOT HUGE UPDATE THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!
CDPR FINALLY BREAK THEIR SILENCE!
BIZARRE NEW UPDATE!1!!
THE ULTIMATE CYBERPUNK BREAKDOWN!11!!!

First time on youtube grandpa?

JuicyFruit or whatever is notorious for this. Every single video is "HUGE LEAKS JUST DROPPED" which are generally exactly 10minute 10second length videos and 90% is just filler. Spoiler.. the "LEAKS" are usually random tweets with zero information or 4chan shitposts.

Also your argument of "HEH INTERNET BRO" is the most retarded thing I've read all day... and I was in the starfield thread.

Yes the internet has lots of shit on it. That doesn't mean:

A) You should watch or engage with it
B) Share it with us.

I always ask myself.. how do grifters like Juice manage to attain gainful employment from youtube.. who watches this retarded crap. I now have my answer.

 

[lukaszek]

anyone else is missing batches of gigs from padre and that car guy?

 

[Yosharian]

AwesomeButton so is there a way to make Stealth more challenging? Stealth bonuses to damage are too powerful, and it's too easy to disable every enemy in the game with the Grab function. Are there any lightweight mods that could tweak this?

I would like Stealth to be a useful way to pick off a few targets before combat begins, rather than being able to ghost through and entire level while stupid-ass enemy NPCs wander back and forth not realising that half their buddies are MIA or lying face down in the mud.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

I mean, NPC not realizing their comms are going silent is a sacred tradition dating back to Deus Ex, no?

Though I'd maybe look into giving the grab a Body check.

 

[Yosharian]

I mean, NPC not realizing their comms are going silent is a sacred tradition dating back to Deus Ex, no?

Though I'd maybe look into giving the grab a Body check.

Metal Gear Solid, released in 1998, had Stealth gameplay where as you went deeper into the game, enemies became smarter because they would communicate with each other by radio, checking in periodically. E.g. "Sector B, clear". If you took out a guy, then that might be discovered because he would no longer answer his radio. This was in 1998. It's just lazy that a warehouse of guys move backwards and forwards over the same path and don't communicate.

In the mission where you speak to Woodman, you can literally interrupt two NPCs mid-conversation by grabbing one of them, and the other doesn't do anything or react in any way.

It's just shit encounter design.

 

[Yosharian]

Though I'd maybe look into giving the grab a Body check.

This would help *dramatically* though I'd still like to look into a Stealth damage multiplier mod.

 

[Yosharian]

In fact removing Stealth modifiers completely from the game would solve a lot of issues

Dunno if there is a way to mod that in

 

[lukaszek]

AwesomeButton so is there a way to make Stealth more challenging? Stealth bonuses to damage are too powerful, and it's too easy to disable every enemy in the game with the Grab function. Are there any lightweight mods that could tweak this?

I would like Stealth to be a useful way to pick off a few targets before combat begins, rather than being able to ghost through and entire level while stupid-ass enemy NPCs wander back and forth not realising that half their buddies are MIA or lying face down in the mud.

are you playing on highest diff? Plenty of skull enemies and they wont go down even with knife throw from stealth.
I found that stealth isnt auto play button as long as you dont have optical camo, always make a mistake along the way and end up fighting

 

[Yosharian]

AwesomeButton so is there a way to make Stealth more challenging? Stealth bonuses to damage are too powerful, and it's too easy to disable every enemy in the game with the Grab function. Are there any lightweight mods that could tweak this?

I would like Stealth to be a useful way to pick off a few targets before combat begins, rather than being able to ghost through and entire level while stupid-ass enemy NPCs wander back and forth not realising that half their buddies are MIA or lying face down in the mud.

are you playing on highest diff? Plenty of skull enemies and they wont go down even with knife throw from stealth.
I found that stealth isnt auto play button as long as you dont have optical camo, always make a mistake along the way and end up fighting

Yes, highest difficulty, and anything that's not a 1-shot with Overwatch I just walk behind it and grab it which apparently works against anything short of a mech in this game

 

[AwesomeButton]

Lel, there are people in Dogtown dying of SARS-CoV-5

 

[Gerrard]

A fanboy take, but some reasonable arguments are made:

"Includes paid promotion"

 

[lukaszek]

AwesomeButton so is there a way to make Stealth more challenging? Stealth bonuses to damage are too powerful, and it's too easy to disable every enemy in the game with the Grab function. Are there any lightweight mods that could tweak this?

I would like Stealth to be a useful way to pick off a few targets before combat begins, rather than being able to ghost through and entire level while stupid-ass enemy NPCs wander back and forth not realising that half their buddies are MIA or lying face down in the mud.

are you playing on highest diff? Plenty of skull enemies and they wont go down even with knife throw from stealth.
I found that stealth isnt auto play button as long as you dont have optical camo, always make a mistake along the way and end up fighting

Yes, highest difficulty, and anything that's not a 1-shot with Overwatch I just walk behind it and grab it which apparently works against anything short of a mech in this game

ahhh, I guess its a bit different in your case, yes. Arent hackers marking you this way?

I guess its time to ask important question: is 2.0 cp77 stealth more enjoyable than skyrim

 

[moon knight]

is better served without having to awkwardly have that thing where you can leave Dex in the cab or Taki in the caf or waterfront for an eternity while doing virtually the entire map.

Interesting, I would also like to delay the amount of time that passes before main NPCs call you for a quest. Maybe also tweaking the way gigs are given to you, with random messages instead of going to the quest marker and then receiving the message from the fixer like it is in vanilla.

I guess I really need to learn how to use wolvenkit. I've finished a Java course three months ago, I wonder how easy would be to read the scripts of this game

 

[moon knight]

2) Then you could delay the Taki call to meet in the caf till you're like lvl 30 or something, so you've had a chance to explore the rest of the city in your "a few weeks, tops" that Victor gives you after the Heist.

I think having Takemura calling you for a meeting right after the heist makes sense from a pacing perspective. Maybe the infiltration in the Arasaka facilty could be delayed...but doing it at lower levels without much cyberware is more difficult and rewarding. I remember the first time I did it, with little cyberware and trying to be a ghost, not killing anyone and not being seen. Getting out from the rooftop and driving home under the rain gave me a good feeling of accomplishment.
The parade, that one should be delayed

 

[moon knight]

Metal Gear Solid, released in 1998, had Stealth gameplay where as you went deeper into the game, enemies became smarter because they would communicate with each other by radio, checking in periodically. E.g. "Sector B, clear". If you took out a guy, then that might be discovered because he would no longer answer his radio. This was in 1998. It's just lazy that a warehouse of guys move backwards and forwards over the same path and don't communicate.

Fucking Marvel's Spider-Man has it, and it's not even a stealth focused game

 

[AwesomeButton]

Yes the internet has lots of shit on it. That doesn't mean:

A) You should watch or engage with it
B) Share it with us.

Are you offended? Any PTSD yet? Anyway, I summarized the video so pristine peachy schoolgirls like you don't have to sully themselves watching it.