Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel

[Infinitron]

I give an update about one of my toys, detailing what I have done and what I plan to do, so you can see a toy evolve into a game.

 

[Kamaz]

I am surprised there was less of an "outrage" here over the "cancellation" of Tim Cain because of his refusal to repent capitalism.

 

[Artyoan]

Might wait to see if he apologizes and says all other interpretations are just as valid as his own.

 

[Melcar]

Goddamn, it's just a game. Holy shit, these people are insufferable.

 

[Alienman]

How did Fallout 3 lean into it more, like one is saying? I can't remember, except the anti-commie robot, but the brotherhood did not create him. Even if he would be, I don't see how it would be a nod towards capitalism bad, mmkay.

 

[rojay]

I didn't play much Fallout 3, and I wasn't paying attention when my son played on my account but I had the impression it was some sort of anti-capitalist, anti-fascist rabbit hole, where the designers were using 1950s tropes but really referencing the 1980s Reagan-era Patriotism vibe in order to mock US Exceptionalism. I could be totally off on that, though, and I don't care enough to research it. God spare us from the fucktards on both ends of that spectrum.

 

[processdaemon]

I am surprised there was less of an "outrage" here over the "cancellation" of Tim Cain because of his refusal to repent capitalism.

In my opinion it's only a cancellation if it actually impacts the person, if it's just bitching and it dies down it's just whiny hysterics doing their thing and not really worth thinking about. I remember Boyarsky going out of his way to say that The Outer Worlds wasn't trying to say all capitalism is bad and seeing some people complain about that too, but it never went anywhere and I'd be surprised if this does either provided that Tim doesn't fan the fires with endless apologies or explanations.

 

[Infinitron]

There's no outrage against Tim Cain here, just some coping.

 

[Kamaz]

Player 2 has joined the game:

 

[Butter]

"Fallout was always a critique of capitalism."

> Here's Chris Avellone and Tim Cain both saying that's wrong.

"The great thing about art is that all interpretations are valid."

 

[processdaemon]

It seems like a lot of the drama is people who clearly don't know anything about the games or their creators and are just directionlessly mad about everything.

Favourite example so far:

 

[Roguey]

Might wait to see if he apologizes and says all other interpretations are just as valid as his own.

He included that as part of his initial comment, that he doesn't mind if people personally interpret Fallout as anti-capitalist. The man who wants to be liked by everyone.

 

[Elttharion]

Its pretty funny. When MCA said the same thing redditors were seething and saying things like 'Well this is just Avellone, he only worked on the sequels, he has no way of knowing what the original creators intended, the real person behind Fallout is Tim Cain anyway, etc, etc'. Now Tim said the same thing and their new argument is 'Well a lot of people worked on the games so its possible some of them added those themes without him noticing'.

Spoiler

 

[NecroLord]

I am surprised there was less of an "outrage" here over the "cancellation" of Tim Cain because of his refusal to repent capitalism.

LOVELY.

 

[NecroLord]

Its pretty funny. When MCA said the same thing redditors were seething and saying things like 'Well this is just Avellone, he only worked on the sequels, he has no way of knowing what the original creators intended, the real person behind Fallout is Tim Cain anyway, etc, etc'. Now Tim said the same thing and their new argument is 'Well a lot of people worked on the games so its possible some of them added those themes without him noticing'.

Spoiler

Avellone knows to always pay respect to the source material and carefully study it.
Case in point: Planescape Torment, also KOTOR 2.

 

[Odoryuk]

Actually, that one modeller that worked on 3d models for tiles might have harbour some negative feelings towards capitalism, so... Yeah

 

[Infinitron]

Player 2 has joined the game:

 

[Elttharion]

Player 2 has joined the game:

MCA is happy for the support haha

 

[Sinder Velvin]

We need a new Fallout subreddit, because this one is ridiculous:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1f0eb4y/emil_pagliarulo_says_he_agrees_with_tim_cain_that/

 

[Silvanus]

Fallout makes its core theme clear from the very first voiced line, but it's not surprising that the idiot "media literacy" crowd fail to notice this.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Alienman]

Makes me wonder what Neverknowsbest thinks about good old Emil now

 

[Butter]

Emil is more based than any of us realized.

 

[luj1]

The last good game Tim made was in 2004. That's 20 years ago.

 

[Sinder Velvin]

Emil is more based than any of us realized.

Perhaps not: