Bethesda's Impact on RPGs

[Qwinn]

Aaah, hello, moondblut.

*Qwinn rolls Will saving throw*
*Qwinn rolls a 17 + 2 = 19!*
*Qwinn successfully evades moondblut's psychic attack!*


Troll me once, shame on you...

Qwinn

 

[Avu]

Don't fret Qwinn I'm sure you'll get to go to heaven and my soulles self will not. Btw where did you purchase your soul? Was it on sale on Best buy?

Cool edgy what the fuck is that? Social tags deeply desired by the sheeple. I care fuck all about what anyone else thinks about me remember I am supposed to be narcisistic here. Also I wouldn't call myself enlightened I haven't seen the light there is no light to be seen.

Also indeed thank god I am a minority or else people will actually have to think why they do the shit they do what motivates them what instinct drives them to be the selfless dicks they are yet claim otherwise. Thank god the sheeple populate the earth and the corporations kindly manage their interests. Thank god there are no murders no rapes no greed no blowing the boss for benefits no corruption no rudeness no self motivated individuals no mediocrity and no horde of sheeple to accept it all and call it great.

Oh and do you think signing your name under every posts makes you somehow edgy, cool and enlightened? Seriously?

 

[Data4]

Actually communism cannot work because it depends on humans to function. No matter how good it sounds in practice people will fuck it up like they have in the past and will again. There are no solutions because the problem is not the system any number of them could work.

Also I have no wish to become a "hero". As much as I hate human kind I have to admit I am one of the fuckers and survival runs strong in this one. While I think the extermination of human kind is a noble and just outcome it has to be all at once. Also I am a coward like everyone else (but I mentioned the survival instinct before)

Hmmm. Sounds to me like the problem isn't with humanity, it's with the fact that you despise yourself and have decided that, to make yourself feel better, you'll project your own failures and base motives onto everyone else. That way you're not so bad in comparison, right?

Still, I think someone who thinks the death of 6 billiion human beings, children
included, would be a "noble and just outcome" kinda lacks standing to declare -anything-, much less people conducting simple trade of goods and services, "immoral".

Qwinn

^^^^^^^^^ someone who's obviously never worked in retail.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Hmmm. Sounds to me like the problem isn't with humanity, it's with the fact that you despise yourself and have decided that, to make yourself feel better, you'll project your own failures and base motives onto everyone else.

Empirical evidence tells otherwise, though. Although i'm trying to be as mutch idealistic as i can be... do you really believe in utopia? I mean, that would be like getting back in the garden of Eden for us.

In my moral system what is right is what I decide is right just like in any other moral system.

You seriously think this makes you edgy, cool, and enlightened? Seriously?

Oh, but he's right on this one. Do you think differently?

 

[Qwinn]

^^^^^^^^^ someone who's obviously never worked in retail.

Okay, that was funny, but seriously? Yes I have.

I find it -hilarious- that Avu considers himself above and beyond the rest of us mere sheeple, but meanwhile swallows every ridiculous anti-corporatist meme promulgated by the left hook, line and sinker.

Of course, I'm sure he lives under a lean-to, using his -mind- to connect to us on the internet. O wait. No. He surrounds himself with the luxuries afforded to us by all those evil corporations, meanwhile damning them to hell. The outrageous hypocrisy would be funny, if it weren't so banal.

Although i'm trying to be as mutch idealistic as i can be... do you really believe in utopia?

Of course I don't. How did I say anything even remotely approaching that? Quite the opposite, I don't think there's anything more dangerous than people who think Utopia On Earth is achievable.

How the heck did you get from "The human race does not deserve to be exterminated" to "Do you really believe utopia is possible?" Do you think our deserving existence -requires- that we establish utopia? Wow. That would put you in that "really really dangerous" category I just mentioned. Someone who believes that would logically be willing to commit any atrocity if they thought it could get us there.

Qwinn

 

[Avu]

So do you believe we have a right to exist just because we were born? No matter what we make of our lives or our society? What would be the purpose of such a purposeless existence?

 

[Qwinn]

Many human beings earn their right to exist every single day, through acts of kindness and charity. The fact that you can't imagine that they're doing it for anything other than selfish reasons doesn't say anything about the rest of humanity, it just tells us all anyone needs to know about you.

But if anyone is reading this who is also reading the discussion about Tolkien in the other thread, and who thinks there's no depth to Tolkien, well...

Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

Some apparently see this as a shallow sentiment. Obviously, it's not so shallow that many people aren't capable of being shallower still.

Qwinn

 

[Avu]

Them bastards killed Sauron so much for that line of reasoning.

 

[oscar]

-Some- religions are that way, sure. It's when -every- religion gets depicted that way that my eyes start to glaze over with boredom. Specially when the same people who don't mind that cliche at all then complain about how those religious people they deride see the world in "only black and white".

How about a game that depicts... an intolerant atheist nut? Cause I've met quite a few of those in my time too.

Qwinn

Your very first main quest giver praises the Temple for it's helping of the poor. And as mentioned before the Panarii are quite positive, pasifistic types. Most religions in fantasy seem quite benevolent. That said I'd like to see some right wing influence in games. I'm quite sick of greedy corporations desroying the enviroment, oppressed minorites, the peaceful solution always being right etc etc

 

[Gnidrologist]

Of course I don't. How did I say anything even remotely approaching that? Quite the opposite, I don't think there's anything more dangerous than people who think Utopia On Earth is achievable.

Well, i thought you disagreed with the notion that comunism is not possible in human society because of humans themselves. Maybe i missinterpreted. Let's leave it at that.

Many human beings earn their right to exist every single day, through acts of kindness and charity.

They just are what they are because their concience is like that and that is good. They are earning other people's respect and love, but that's not earning right to exist as they might die anyway.

Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

That kind of statement is self contradictory. One one hand one proposes that some should live and some should die, on the other hand one accepts that there's no way to judge why and who should live and die. That's self cancelation. What do you get from it?

 

[Jim Cojones]

That kind of statement is self contradictory. One one hand one proposes that some should live and some should die, on the other hand one accepts that there's no way to judge why and who should live and die. That's self cancelation. What do you get from it?

It's said by Gandalf when Frodo wishes Gollum death.

 

[Avu]

That kind of statement is self contradictory. One one hand one proposes that some should live and some should die, on the other hand one accepts that there's no way to judge why and who should live and die. That's self cancelation. What do you get from it?

It's said by Gandalf when Frodo wishes Gollum death.

Your mastery of obscure literary works is unmatched, you are a walking encyclopedia, we would have never guessed if you were not so kind to enlighten us. We are now forever indebted to you.

 

[Mogar]

I don't know about all this conformity talk. Before signing up, I lurked a lot and I've seen the Codex participate in a good circlejerk from time to time.

 

[Luzur]

I don't know about all this conformity talk. Before signing up, I lurked a lot and I've seen the Codex participate in a good circlejerk from time to time.

i dont see any problem at all with guys helping eachother out.

 

[Liberal]

i dont see any problem at all with guys helping eachother out

With GOOD guys helping each other out.

 

[Kraszu]

Existence is not a right, we exist becouse physical world caused it, keeping your body alive make you exist that is all. Rights are human invention.

There is no objective purpose to human existence, you can feel that something has purpose when your brain generate such emotions. Purpose is emotional concept whithout them it does not exist.

 

[Data4]

^^^^^^^^^ someone who's obviously never worked in retail.

Okay, that was funny, but seriously? Yes I have.

I find it -hilarious- that Avu considers himself above and beyond the rest of us mere sheeple, but meanwhile swallows every ridiculous anti-corporatist meme promulgated by the left hook, line and sinker.

Well, it's not necessarily a left-leaning anti-corporate meme to have disdain for society at large. I'm decidedly right leaning, but before I did my time in a retail store many years ago, I was indifferent about people. I treated each person as an individual and tried not to make broad, sweeping generalizations because I had a somewhat idealistic mindset that people were inherantly good. That all flew out the window when I saw just how base and asstastic people can be as I tried my damndest to provide customer service. I still try to judge people on individual merits, but my perception of people as a whole has shifted to a more cynical, presumptuous position of "You're all a bunch of assholes and will get your due when the revolution comes."

Thank you, Sam Walton!

 

[Kavax]

Whoa, when did this become the Dustmen's thread?

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Bethsda's impact on RPGs is like Taco Bell's influence on Mexican food.

 

[ghostdog]

Bethsda's impact on RPGs is like Taco Bell's influence on Mexican food.

Rarely has there been so much truth in a sentence.

 

[Jim Cojones]

Your mastery of obscure literary works is unmatched, you are a walking encyclopedia, we would have never guessed if you were not so kind to enlighten us. We are now forever indebted to you.

It is strange that such a funny guy like you didn't catch a joke.

 

[felicity]

Just curious Avu, what makes you think an all-at-once extermination of human kind is more just than say, extermination in 2-phrases, or selective extermination? The immediate obvious reason to me is, since we don't know what lies beyond death, we cannot surmise that life is better than death or vice versa. It seems the greivance of death comes not from the death itself, rather from the ill effects on the road to this inevitable end and its aftermath - sickness, lost of our loved ones. If everyone dies at the same time however, no one will be mourning over their beloved and so it appears, if there was ever to be a punishment on human kind as a whole, an all-at-once option would be the least evil option. This arguments imply there is no intrinsic value of life, which is in contrast to our very instinctive view on life, of that we feel life is important and think losing life is bad. We don't think of dying is bad only because you may cause pains to your beloved, but also think dying ITSELF is bad. Well it can be argued but that's at least how I feel about it. Then we come back to asking why such punishment was warranted in the first place, because when we are deciding what is supposedly right or wrong, we very often presupposed the intrinsic value of life.

P.S. I'm not terrorist or Hitler wannabe, and I have no desire to "punish" human kind. KTHXBYE!