Bethesda's Impact on RPGs

[Luzur]

Did the whole crew at Bethesda change hands between Morrowind and Oblivion? I didn't know that. Explains a -whole- lot.

i think most of the old team from Daggerfall left pre-Morrowind.

 

[Raapys]

Well, the biggest change was that Todd went from being a janitor( Additional design ) in the Daggerfall days, to actually being the Project Leader of MW and OB.

The genius behind Daggerfall was Julian Lefay.

 

[Qwinn]

Oh. I was looking for an explanation for Morrowind being a pretty damn good game, and the terrible suckness of being that was Oblivion.

Guess that's not explained yet, then.

Qwinn

 

[Mogar]

Oh. I was looking for an explanation for Morrowind being a pretty damn good game, and the terrible suckness of being that was Oblivion.

Guess that's not explained yet, then.

Qwinn

It had a consistent, interesting setting. The TES games have to have interesting settings, as it is a requirement for their genre of nonlinear sandbox game play. Hence, why the original team made each province unique and exotic. Cyrodil, as portrayed by Oblivion, is not very interesting and, which is why exploring it is tedious rather then fun. Morrowind was an ok game, but I hated how the world revolved around your character, rather then your character actually being apart of the world. This trait was even more pronounced in Oblivion.

Oh, and I'll try to see if I can find it, but there's an interview I read from a while back in which an old Bethsoft designer bashed Todd for trashing the lore (specifically for throwing away Cyrodil's Baroque Imperial Romans dropped into a rainforest background) and talked about how the TES series had regressed.

 

[Knightrider]

Don't you manboons ever get tired of bashing Fallout 3? It's a great game, worthy of it's predecessors and deffinately the best rpg released in a long time. The hilarious thing is most of you speak from bellow the curve.

Take DorkOvenLoad the news poster for instance. He is behind one of the most stupid and futureless modding projects I've ever seem("Fan Made Fallout". I always laugh long and hard at pretentious fools that waste their time and others on such things)yet he feels he has enough credit to decide that Fallout 3 isn't a good game. Worse yet: He says it's shit over and over again. Like a parrot.

Reality check Idjit: Your little mod is shite.

Worse yet is that most of you baffle about ridiculously trashy games such as Vogel's turds or AOD, at the same time you bash Fallout 3, a game that is a deffinitive masterpiece.

Well, I can say with conviction that AOD is shite. Utter shite. Doesn't matter that it hasn't been released yet. It has shitty graphics, shitty writing, a boring setting, louzy art and the most horrible game engine avaiable on the market today. You got to be one clueless manboon to think this game has anything that is better or even that reaches the level of Fallout 3. It doesn't. It's the most hyped piece of shit ever.


Reality check time, chimpmanzees. Fallout is the best game out in a decade. If your website is really about rpg's you should be praising it, not bashing it like morons while supporting hopeless indie projects.

 

[Mogar]

Don't you manboons ever get tired of bashing Fallout 3? It's a great game, worthy of it's predecessors and deffinately the best rpg released in a long time. The hilarious thing is most of you speak from bellow the curve.

Take DorkOvenLoad the news poster for instance. He is behind one of the most stupid and futureless modding projects I've ever seem("Fan Made Fallout". I always laugh long and hard at pretentious fools that waste their time and others on such things)yet he feels he has enough credit to decide that Fallout 3 isn't a good game. Worse yet: He says it's shit over and over again. Like a parrot.

Reality check Idjit: Your little mod is shite.

Worse yet is that most of you baffle about ridiculously trashy games such as Vogel's turds or AOD, at the same time you bash Fallout 3, a game that is a deffinitive masterpiece.

Well, I can say with conviction that AOD is shite. Utter shite. Doesn't matter that it hasn't been released yet. It has shitty graphics, shitty writing, a boring setting, louzy art and the most horrible game engine avaiable on the market today. You got to be one clueless manboon to think this game has anything that is better or even that reaches the level of Fallout 3. It doesn't. It's the most hyped piece of shit ever.


Reality check time, chimpmanzees. Fallout is the best game out in a decade. If your website is really about rpg's you should be praising it, not bashing it like morons while supporting hopeless indie projects.

Freakin Flying Fuck. Are you being serious? If you are, why are you even at the codex.

 

[Jim Cojones]

Everything tells me it wasn't sarcasm, but I can't believe it.

 

[Talonfire]

Don't you manboons ever get tired of bashing Fallout 3? It's a great game, worthy of it's predecessors and deffinately the best rpg released in a long time. The hilarious thing is most of you speak from bellow the curve.

Take DorkOvenLoad the news poster for instance. He is behind one of the most stupid and futureless modding projects I've ever seem("Fan Made Fallout". I always laugh long and hard at pretentious fools that waste their time and others on such things)yet he feels he has enough credit to decide that Fallout 3 isn't a good game. Worse yet: He says it's shit over and over again. Like a parrot.

Reality check Idjit: Your little mod is shite.

Worse yet is that most of you baffle about ridiculously trashy games such as Vogel's turds or AOD, at the same time you bash Fallout 3, a game that is a deffinitive masterpiece.

Well, I can say with conviction that AOD is shite. Utter shite. Doesn't matter that it hasn't been released yet. It has shitty graphics, shitty writing, a boring setting, louzy art and the most horrible game engine avaiable on the market today. You got to be one clueless manboon to think this game has anything that is better or even that reaches the level of Fallout 3. It doesn't. It's the most hyped piece of shit ever.


Reality check time, chimpmanzees. Fallout is the best game out in a decade. If your website is really about rpg's you should be praising it, not bashing it like morons while supporting hopeless indie projects.

If this post isn't sarcasm, it's pretty damn ironic.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Asspurgers don't sarcasm, remember?

 

[Luzur]

either hes on console or his first experience with "RPGs" is Fallout 3.

i saw alot of this in ESF Fallout 3 section.

 

[Unradscorpion]

Bethesda's Impact on RPGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0yHz6XXWNw&feature=related

 

[Forest Dweller]

That's ALMOST not funny.

 

[Luzur]

i saw the connection. but i see that as the "new" Bethesdas impact on RPG's (Oblivion, Fallout 3), not the old one (Arena, Daggerfall,Redguard, Battlespire).

 

[Avu]

You might as well ponder the impact on RPGs of windows 95, the internet, instant messaging, social networking sites, youtube and all the other crap that made computers idiot friendly and idiot cool. Unfortunately we live in a world that has taken our hobby from us and twisted it beyond recognition. There was a time when teh cool kids wouldn't be caught dead near a computer, sadly that time is long gone.

Bethesda is a business and businesses are by definition immoral, they do it for the money. Hate it or not their purpose in life is to make dough and not games just like Coca Cola's is to make money and not Coca Cola. They can make a lot more money with mediocre products hyped to high heaven that the masses can easily digest than they could with nerdy games for nerdy players. Nerdy players are fewer because they are by definition not cool and that runs heavily against the human instinct of belonging and acceptance also they are a lot more critical and picky. Seeing how most often they are not richer than the cool guys by any order of magnitude the companies simply ignore them (oh yeah and by being more technically inclined they are also a lot more prolific pirates though that has mainstreamed on pcs too). If their stupid enough to buy the product great the company appreciates the money if not they were never the target anyway. Sure they might through a comment here and there that they know the nerds would like to hear and they know (it's part of the job) but actually committing real resources to it neah (see Dragon Age turned from pc only deep high brow game in soon to be console exclusive bioware usual crap).

Personally I blame human kind for pretty much everything we see today. Hope we get exterminated.

 

[Rorschach]

Nerdy players are fewer because they are by definition not cool and that runs heavily against the human instinct of belonging and acceptance also they are a lot more critical and picky.

If only we lived in a world where the master race were elevated rather than riticuled.

 

[Qwinn]

Bethesda is a business and businesses are by definition immoral

There is a place for you in the new world order, Comrade.

Personally I blame human kind for pretty much everything we see today. Hope we get exterminated.

O wisest of prophets, please, lead us by example. You first.

Qwinn

 

[Knightrider]

Don't you manboons ever get tired of bashing Fallout 3? It's a great game, worthy of it's predecessors and deffinately the best rpg released in a long time. The hilarious thing is most of you speak from bellow the curve.

Take DorkOvenLoad the news poster for instance. He is behind one of the most stupid and futureless modding projects I've ever seem("Fan Made Fallout". I always laugh long and hard at pretentious fools that waste their time and others on such things)yet he feels he has enough credit to decide that Fallout 3 isn't a good game. Worse yet: He says it's shit over and over again. Like a parrot.

Reality check Idjit: Your little mod is shite.

Worse yet is that most of you baffle about ridiculously trashy games such as Vogel's turds or AOD, at the same time you bash Fallout 3, a game that is a deffinitive masterpiece.

Well, I can say with conviction that AOD is shite. Utter shite. Doesn't matter that it hasn't been released yet. It has shitty graphics, shitty writing, a boring setting, louzy art and the most horrible game engine avaiable on the market today. You got to be one clueless manboon to think this game has anything that is better or even that reaches the level of Fallout 3. It doesn't. It's the most hyped piece of shit ever.


Reality check time, chimpmanzees. Fallout is the best game out in a decade. If your website is really about rpg's you should be praising it, not bashing it like morons while supporting hopeless indie projects.

Freakin Flying Fuck. Are you being serious? If you are, why are you even at the codex.

Well, I'm dead serious. Someone has to tell you lower chimpmanzees where it's at.

Seriously, you lot should get a grip. Like I said, you are way bellow the curve. If you are really looking forward for shit like "Fan Made Fallout" and "Age of Decadence" you forgot about what made games good.

The only promising indie game I ever heard of is Grimoire, and it will probably never be released(unfortunatelly).

 

[Ion Flux]

Your trolling is seriously lacking in subtlety. Epic fail.

 

[Avu]

Bethesda is a business and businesses are by definition immoral

There is a place for you in the new world order, Comrade.

Personally I blame human kind for pretty much everything we see today. Hope we get exterminated.

O wisest of prophets, please, lead us by example. You first.

Qwinn

Actually communism cannot work because it depends on humans to function. No matter how good it sounds in practice people will fuck it up like they have in the past and will again. There are no solutions because the problem is not the system any number of them could work.

Also I have no wish to become a "hero". As much as I hate human kind I have to admit I am one of the fuckers and survival runs strong in this one. While I think the extermination of human kind is a noble and just outcome it has to be all at once. Also I am a coward like everyone else (but I mentioned the survival instinct before)

 

[Talonfire]

Well, I'm dead serious. Someone has to tell you lower chimpmanzees where it's at.

Seriously, you lot should get a grip. Like I said, you are way bellow the curve. If you are really looking forward for shit like "Fan Made Fallout" and "Age of Decadence" you forgot about what made games good.

The only promising indie game I ever heard of is Grimoire, and it will probably never be released(unfortunatelly).

Jeeze man, get over it. I still don't think you're being serious, though.

 

[Qwinn]

Actually communism cannot work because it depends on humans to function. No matter how good it sounds in practice people will fuck it up like they have in the past and will again. There are no solutions because the problem is not the system any number of them could work.

Also I have no wish to become a "hero". As much as I hate human kind I have to admit I am one of the fuckers and survival runs strong in this one. While I think the extermination of human kind is a noble and just outcome it has to be all at once. Also I am a coward like everyone else (but I mentioned the survival instinct before)

Hmmm. Sounds to me like the problem isn't with humanity, it's with the fact that you despise yourself and have decided that, to make yourself feel better, you'll project your own failures and base motives onto everyone else. That way you're not so bad in comparison, right?

Still, I think someone who thinks the death of 6 billiion human beings, children included, would be a "noble and just outcome" kinda lacks standing to declare -anything-, much less people conducting simple trade of goods and services, "immoral".

Qwinn

 

[Avu]

Why? You have to know morality is a very relative subject. In my moral system what is right is what I decide is right just like in any other moral system.

And I don't despise myself I delude myself into believing I am one of the very few that go against the norm. We humans are very good at the self deceit stuff. I just despise everyone else.

And you mentioned children are they somehow better? Will they not grow up? Suppose you would eliminate everything but the children do you really think they will grow to form an Utopian society? Really? You do realize this subjective overvaluation of children is just your survival of the species instinct in you speaking so deeply ingrained in you probably don't even realize it?

 

[Rorschach]

...We humans are...

The fact that you remain so aloof lends much credence to your argument.

 

[Qwinn]

In my moral system what is right is what I decide is right just like in any other moral system.

You seriously think this makes you edgy, cool, and enlightened? Seriously?

And you mentioned children are they somehow better? Will they not grow up? Suppose you would eliminate everything but the children do you really think they will grow to form an Utopian society? Really?

Is this the maximum depth to which your empty little soul can plunge? I don't measure people by the society they might someday inhabit. I measure people as individuals. And as individuals, children are innocent. They have committed no crime, yet you would sentence them to death.

If there is an argument to be made that the human race does not deserve to survive, you serve as the best argument I've yet seen. But that argument would still fail, because thankfully, soulless narcissistic emo retards remain a minority.

Qwinn

 

[mondblut]

And as individuals, children are innocent.

Innocent in what?