Putting the 'role' back in role-playing games since 2002.
Donate to Codex
Good Old Games
  • Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.

Eternity Avowed - Obsidian's first person action-RPG in the Pillars of Eternity setting

jackofshadows

Arcane
Joined
Oct 21, 2019
Messages
5,334
what does 'Avowed' mean anyway, who me marrying coz apparently you cant FUCK any cunt in this game
2025 and we cannot FUCK bro what is this shit.
Possibly the only good thing about this game and you whine about it. Romances in video games are for faggots and a big part of the decline.
Lmao. There're no PLAYER romances, true. There's a bunch of NPC romances though basically being forced to know about in details, including furry with some old guy, nigger fish faggotry, some more fag shit... Dunno about you but to me it's even worse.

Edit: somebody at Obsidian has to have cuck fetish. This is all too alike to Parvati's business from TOW.
 
Last edited:

Butter

Arcane
Patron
Joined
Oct 1, 2018
Messages
8,977
I’m not one of the people who imagine Chris Avellone as some kind of Herculean figure, but there is something going on where the demands of navigating day-to-day life have dropped precipitously in the ‘first world’ as has any incidental physicality. You don’t have to reverse your own car anymore, you don’t have to find your own way around anymore, you don’t have to go out into the world and talk to people face-to-face nearly as much anymore, and you’re being spied on constantly for good measure. 1990’s dork Avellone may as well be Tarzan by comparison, a bit like Neal Halford.

As much ‘friction’ as possible has been removed from daily life for all normies, and that means that being an exceptional normie is probably no longer enough to be a writer who is worth a damn. So where do you get your video game writers now?
There isn't a single renowned Millennial writer working in any medium. Gen X had some. The Boomers probably had more still. What chance do Gen Z and younger have? What materials will they read/watch/play and consider "good writing"? Their entertainment is Minecraft and TikTok. Disco Elysium is too high brow for them.
 

jaekl

CHUD LIFE
Patron
Joined
May 1, 2023
Messages
2,002
Location
Canada
you guys are so dumb. they didn't WANT to make a good game, they wanted to make a shitty game so that it wouldn't sell and since no one is going to buy it, 90% of the earth's population will then sign up to gamepass to play it. you see if people buy it then WHY would they join gamepass? yeah exactly, so it has to be trash for the plan to work. it's an advanced 200 iq play that only business gurus will understand. try and keep up kids, your posting with the big boys now :cool:
 

luj1

You're all shills
Vatnik
Joined
Jan 2, 2016
Messages
15,486
Location
Eastern block
you guys are so dumb. they didn't WANT to make a good game, they wanted to make a shitty game so that it wouldn't sell and since no one is going to buy it, 90% of the earth's population will then sign up to gamepass to play it. you see if people buy it then WHY would they join gamepass? yeah exactly, so it has to be trash for the plan to work. it's an advanced 200 iq play that only business gurus will understand. try and keep up kids, your posting with the big boys now :cool:

The mental gymnastics of Rogay, Shillitron and Morongoth, three faggoteers of decline

How about this. Game shit, Obsidian dumb. End of story. As Fedora Master likes to say
 

Nelka

Scholar
Joined
Oct 28, 2019
Messages
612
Location
Kentucky, US.
I feel like the advanced access actually was a nail in the coffin for them, people had few days to watch the gameplay, read unbiased reviews. that's why advanced access had peak 13k, and now it's only 17k after the second wave of players on Steam. But I'm sure they'll call it a success, like EA did with DAV coming up with some imaginary numbers, without adding that most of these players are just people who tried it on EA Pro, like here on Gamepass.
 

Falksi

Arcane
Joined
Feb 14, 2017
Messages
11,318
Location
Nottingham
Oh no, there's ROLLING in Dark Souls. It's a ROLLING simulator, coz it has ROLLING as one of its many mechanics!

R O L L I N G
aG2ft3B.gif
 
Joined
Mar 18, 2009
Messages
7,758
Well I played Jedi game with that young actor (first one) and Witcher 2, both had rolling shit and terrible camera which is staple of Souls likes.

I haven't played the Jedi game but it looks like a cinematic action game that is very different from Souls. Witcher 2 is one of worst designed games ever, its problems having nothing to do with it having rolling. Truly enough to get you all informed about what soulslikes are and how they've killed RPG genre.
 

La vie sexuelle

Learned
Joined
Jun 10, 2023
Messages
2,280
Location
La Rochelle
IGN, 2024:

Obsidian Explains Why Avowed Won't Let You Romance Your Companions​

The developers wanted to focus on "thoughtful relationships" with companions.​


It's funny because normally this would be incline. Romances are cringe and have destroyed all party based RPGs forever but nu-Obsidian took an otherwise good position and used it to shit the bed even further.

That's why motivations and consequences are so important when assessing an act. It wasn't that Obsidian didn't want degeneracy in their game, it was just that they probably couldn't install such a system in the game. So they had to instill it in a different way.
 

Orange Clock

Educated
Joined
Jun 5, 2022
Messages
160
Well I played Jedi game with that young actor (first one) and Witcher 2, both had rolling shit and terrible camera which is staple of Souls likes.

I haven't played the Jedi game but it looks like a cinematic action game that is very different from Souls. Witcher 2 is one of worst designed games ever, its problems having nothing to do with it having rolling. Truly enough to get you all informed about what soulslikes are and how they've killed RPG genre.
No, Jedi is definitely a souls-like. It copies combat and respawn mechanics from DS.
 

Butter

Arcane
Patron
Joined
Oct 1, 2018
Messages
8,977
There isn't a single renowned Millennial writer working in any medium. Gen X had some. The Boomers probably had more still. What chance do Gen Z and younger have? What materials will they read/watch/play and consider "good writing"? Their entertainment is Minecraft and TikTok. Disco Elysium is too high brow for them.
Dude
ipG7XCtbIF2p.png
I actually double-checked that after my post and realized he's a Millennial. So maybe there's one. We could quibble about his level of renown or whether he's done any work at all since Disco Elysium released or whether his abject failure as a novelist prior to Disco should count against him, but I think the point still stands. We've got one person in the entire generation.
 

Lemming42

Arcane
Joined
Nov 4, 2012
Messages
6,815
Location
The Satellite Of Love
I'd be really interested to learn the story behind the game's development because I think it's potentially very funny. Carrie Patel must have been caught in a Fawlty Towers type of farce scenario.

I mean, look at this. The marketing - presumably done by Microsoft - makes it sound like what people romanticise New Vegas as being like:
At the heart of Avowed lies its dedication to player choice. Inspired by the freedom of tabletop RPGs, the game puts the power in your hands. Your decisions ripple across the Living Lands, shaping alliances, influencing factions, and determining the fate of your companions. Whether you negotiate peace, spark conflict, or carve your own path through the chaos, your actions leave a lasting impact on the world of Eora.

This seamless blend of storytelling, exploration, and creativity makes Avowed an unforgettable RPG experience, offering an experience where every choice matters and every discovery feels personal.
What's written there is very straightforwardly not true. Like, that's not even a MrSmileyFaceDude ultra-charitable description of the game - it's just an outright lie. The game doesn't have these features, even in the most basic form. It has player choice in the same way Diablo and Titan Quest do.

I'm guessing that the chain of events is likely something like this:
1. Obsidian get to work on a cheap and lazy multiplayer co-op game, using the PoE setting to save even more money because there's no licensing cost. Patel reckons this'll be a low-effort way to keep the money coming in from Microsoft.

2. Phil Spencer calls to ask how it's going. Patel, in a moment of lucidity, realises that "we're making a co-op shooter that's sort of like first-person Dragon Age 2 combat" sounds terrible. She vaguely says that her team is working on "an RPG". Spencer's head begins to swim with visions of "the next New Vegas".

3. Work continues on the game. Microsoft's expectations swell, while Patel desperately tries to curb them. Spencer whispers in hushed tones to colleagues that Obsidian - "the genius team behind New Vegas" - are working on "the BG3-killer".

4. Patel sees how out of hand this is getting and voids her bowels. She rushes to the team and tells them to take what they've got so far and turn it into a single player RPG, on the double. This is done with the least effort possible, resulting in what we have now.

5. Patel remembers that people like the story in these games. She gathers the brains trust behind The Outer Worlds and asks them to recreate the liquid gold they gave us last time. After extensive thought, they come up with a winning plot: "an evil inquisition is burning and torturing people and the player has to kill lots of them". Patel desperately urges them to make the story less boring. Mustering every ounce of their creative genius, they come up with the following addition: "the player is a Chosen One".

Conducting market research, she watches a review of BG3 on YouTube and sees that people liked the companions. She tasks the team with coming up with some companions. Weeks pass in which the team stretch themselves to the limit, perfecting and refining their ideas. They come up with:
a) the art director's self-insert.
b) the dwarf from Dragon Age.
c) a mage. They can't think of much else for this one.
d) a funny little furry woman who makes sex jokes.

Patel, head in her hands, realises it's too late to fix this. She gives it the green light, because there's nothing else to do now.

6. The heart-stopping moment. Phil Spencer comes to visit, checking out the progress himself. Patel and her team have carefully prepared a trailer that's extremely ambiguous and shows dialogue options. Spencer throws another million at the project - this is going to be the game of the year.

7. The late 2024 release date approaches, and the ruse falls apart. Spencer asks for an actual copy to check out, and he sees the game that we see today. Dead silence in the room.

8. Spencer tells them to spend two months trying to fix the fucking thing, then puts it out on Gamepass to try and get a bit of cash back.
 

Roguey

Codex Staff
Staff Member
Sawyerite
Joined
May 29, 2010
Messages
37,318
I actually double-checked that after my post and realized he's a Millennial. So maybe there's one. We could quibble about his level of renown or whether he's done any work at all since Disco Elysium released or whether his abject failure as a novelist prior to Disco should count against him, but I think the point still stands. We've got one person in the entire generation.
Karolina Stachyra got a lot of praise for Bloody Baron in Witcher 3, checked her linkedin, likely a Millennial based on when she went to college. Great writers have always been rare.
 

Infinitron

I post news
Patron
Staff Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2011
Messages
100,690
Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is. Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
Robert Kurvitz probably wouldn't have been a great videogame writer if he was American. Life would have taken him elsewhere. The lack of other opportunities in Estonia for a guy like him is what allowed Disco Elysium to exist.
 

La vie sexuelle

Learned
Joined
Jun 10, 2023
Messages
2,280
Location
La Rochelle
There isn't a single renowned Millennial writer working in any medium. Gen X had some. The Boomers probably had more still. What chance do Gen Z and younger have? What materials will they read/watch/play and consider "good writing"? Their entertainment is Minecraft and TikTok. Disco Elysium is too high brow for them.
Dude
ipG7XCtbIF2p.png
I actually double-checked that after my post and realized he's a Millennial. So maybe there's one. We could quibble about his level of renown or whether he's done any work at all since Disco Elysium released or whether his abject failure as a novelist prior to Disco should count against him, but I think the point still stands. We've got one person in the entire generation.

I don't know if One Hit Wonder qualifies as a viable creative personality. Sometimes mediocre ones release something special once in their lives and then fade away.

Which is a truly grim diagnosis, considering the quality of other writers of his generation.


EDIT: Kurwitz wasn't only one behind Disco Communism. Don't forget about this great sovietboomer mind:

https://www.amazon.in/Untitled-12-Kaur-Kender/dp/1530841658

In 2014, Kender published a novel called Untitled 12, which received mixed reactions in Estonian society. The Finnish Pen described it as a "grotesque thriller" and an important book discussing taboos central to the entertainment industry, including death, serial murder, pornography, and pedophilia. In early 2016, he was charged with writing child pornography and put on trial but was later acquitted
 

anvi

Prophet
Village Idiot
Joined
Oct 12, 2016
Messages
8,701
Location
Kelethin
I think older games didn't attempt writing unless they had a good writer. Or they focused on gameplay instead and had no writing or tongue in cheek action movie type lines. These days it seems every game is full of bad writing done by the programmer who made everything else, or some purple hair blogger who identifies as a writer. There are too many games with bad writing now too, it drags the standards down in general. It makes it seem like shit video game writing is the norm and everyone can now get away with it.
 

Butter

Arcane
Patron
Joined
Oct 1, 2018
Messages
8,977
I actually double-checked that after my post and realized he's a Millennial. So maybe there's one. We could quibble about his level of renown or whether he's done any work at all since Disco Elysium released or whether his abject failure as a novelist prior to Disco should count against him, but I think the point still stands. We've got one person in the entire generation.
Karolina Stachyra got a lot of praise for Bloody Baron in Witcher 3, checked her linkedin, likely a Millennial based on when she went to college. Great writers have always been rare.
You're making my point for me by naming a literal "who?". It's easy to name renowned playwrights of earlier generations, like Arthur Miller or Paddy Chayefsky or Tennessee Williams. It's easy to name renowned novelists from the same period, like William Faulkner or Ken Kesey or Kingsley Amis. We have fewer renowned video game writers, but some exist (Chris Avellone for example).

But Millennials, by and large, are remaining anonymous in this field. Even if they're talented, they aren't rising to prominence. They might as well be interchangeable cogs. I think the most likely explanation for this is that they are interchangeable. They've led interchangeable, boring, average lives. They have no unique perspectives, no unique experiences to draw from. They know the media (and social media) they've consumed, and so they all come out of it looking, acting, talking, and writing the same way.
 

Lyric Suite

Converting to Islam
Joined
Mar 23, 2006
Messages
58,822
There isn't a single renowned Millennial writer working in any medium. Gen X had some. The Boomers probably had more still. What chance do Gen Z and younger have? What materials will they read/watch/play and consider "good writing"? Their entertainment is Minecraft and TikTok. Disco Elysium is too high brow for them.
Dude
ipG7XCtbIF2p.png
I actually double-checked that after my post and realized he's a Millennial. So maybe there's one. We could quibble about his level of renown or whether he's done any work at all since Disco Elysium released or whether his abject failure as a novelist prior to Disco should count against him, but I think the point still stands. We've got one person in the entire generation.

He is from a communist shit country those are like decades behind culturally. He might as well be a time traveler.
 

La vie sexuelle

Learned
Joined
Jun 10, 2023
Messages
2,280
Location
La Rochelle
I actually double-checked that after my post and realized he's a Millennial. So maybe there's one. We could quibble about his level of renown or whether he's done any work at all since Disco Elysium released or whether his abject failure as a novelist prior to Disco should count against him, but I think the point still stands. We've got one person in the entire generation.
Karolina Stachyra got a lot of praise for Bloody Baron in Witcher 3, checked her linkedin, likely a Millennial based on when she went to college. Great writers have always been rare.
You're making my point for me by naming a literal "who?". It's easy to name renowned playwrights of earlier generations, like Arthur Miller or Paddy Chayefsky or Tennessee Williams. It's easy to name renowned novelists from the same period, like William Faulkner or Ken Kesey or Kingsley Amis. We have fewer renowned video game writers, but some exist (Chris Avellone for example).

But Millennials, by and large, are remaining anonymous in this field. Even if they're talented, they aren't rising to prominence. They might as well be interchangeable cogs. I think the most likely explanation for this is that they are interchangeable. They've led interchangeable, boring, average lives. They have no unique perspectives, no unique experiences to draw from. They know the media (and social media) they've consumed, and so they all come out of it looking, acting, talking, and writing the same way.

You are certainly right, but I would replace "comfortable life" with "attachment to pop culture". Note that the post-war generation also lived in prosperity.

But you know what they had that millennials don't? Freedom. The entire literary market is constructed in such a way that if you look at the ownership structure, you will see at the end a few of these huge companies, often from Germany (yes, even in the USA, even Penguin!), which promote exactly the same values and the same lousiness, plus a social superstructure in the form of the media, the academy. and suddenly it turns out that if you were a brilliant genius with an interesting, bold idea, at best they wouldn't turn you in, at worst you'd go to prison for "Nazism".

There isn't a single renowned Millennial writer working in any medium. Gen X had some. The Boomers probably had more still. What chance do Gen Z and younger have? What materials will they read/watch/play and consider "good writing"? Their entertainment is Minecraft and TikTok. Disco Elysium is too high brow for them.
Dude
ipG7XCtbIF2p.png
I actually double-checked that after my post and realized he's a Millennial. So maybe there's one. We could quibble about his level of renown or whether he's done any work at all since Disco Elysium released or whether his abject failure as a novelist prior to Disco should count against him, but I think the point still stands. We've got one person in the entire generation.

He is from a communist shit country those are like decades behind culturally. He might as well be a time traveler.


He will never write anything again. Not something that would normally be released.
 

0sacred

poop retainer
Patron
Joined
Feb 12, 2021
Messages
2,271
Location
MFGA (Make Fantasy Great Again)
Codex Year of the Donut
But Millennials, by and large, are remaining anonymous in this field. Even if they're talented, they aren't rising to prominence. They might as well be interchangeable cogs. I think the most likely explanation for this is that they are interchangeable. They've led interchangeable, boring, average lives. They have no unique perspectives, no unique experiences to draw from. They know the media (and social media) they've consumed, and so they all come out of it looking, acting, talking, and writing the same way.

which would make them perfect to cater to Gen Z. Life is getting more stale, rigid, and uneventful. It's a fact. You can try and be escapist by living half the year in a log hut or get addicted to dopamine rushes but you won't escape the pull of stiff civilizational overreach. Of course millenials are part of the problem, or rather the first to exist in its shadow completely, we can't deny that now that lead positions everywhere have millenials in them. But there is no easy cure unless you think telling people to YOLO it up will get their creative juices flowing.
 

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.
Back
Top Bottom