Eternity Avowed - Obsidian's first person action-RPG in the Pillars of Eternity setting

[BruceVC]

Its too early to assess if Avowed will be a success or failure but that will ultimately be determined by its sales and revenue generated

This is the kind of people who ruined game forums and markets, because they bring stupidity and decline

According to you, Van Gogh and Gaugin, Modigliani, John Cassavetes in film, Orson Welles and Tarkovsky, are all failures.

You should think this over whilst exiled to work in a coal mine for a few decades, without parole...

His point is that now that they are part of MS they can't make games that sell enough to have money for next game. They need to get that ROI up or they will be hacked to pieces by corporate MS.

Investors think on that this way:

I can invest 100 milion into Avoved and get 15% return.
or
I can invest 100 milion into spinning wheel toy to get 40% return.

That's how corporate works. They have shareholders not owners and they need ROI, and not just any ROI but high return. Either you do that or your are out.

Yes thats what I mean and Im surprised luj1 doesn't seem to understand this?

The moment any gaming studio is no longer independent there is an expectation around sales revenue that needs to be generated, this is what you call ROI

And its not unreasonable because thats how all business works, you have to make money to be sustainable

Its not the same as works of art like Van Gogh which became popular after his death because the art wasnt created through an ownership model or ROI expectation like Obsidian exists under now

So my point stands and should be easy to understand, the overall sales figures around revenue generation will determine the real " success " of Avowed because that will determine if the company will still exist

 

[Readher]

Baldur's Gate 3 is liable to be the exception to the rule when it comes to modern RPG's allowing you to kill NPC's. The developers believe you are evil and need to be lectured if you think about criticising or siding with certain characters after all.

Even bg3 punishes you siding with the "wrong side" by basically removing content out of the game. If you play anything other than the intended good side, you lose most quests.

That's because BG3 is a (admittedly competent, unlike most) baby's first cRPG. The early Early Access version had potential to be something special, but they neutered the game to appeal to normies and Bioware romancefags. The C&C isn't actually anything special, and writing is full of reddit shit.

The one thing you have to give to Larian is that it's impressive how quickly they went from making stuff like D:OS through Kickstarter to an AAA cRPG that was thought to be impossible to make in the current times. Obsidian is busy burning all the money on Feargus' dog to follow the same path and is eternally stuck making janky, wannabe AAA slop that only has AAA pricing but none of the production value (higher price tag than BG3 btw).

I think the biggest problem with choices being fake or removing content is that the story is never really written with them in mind. They write a story and then try to shove choices in, which obviously won't work, because you end up with the known scenario where you either make the choice not matter (feasible from financial standpoint) or basically make two separate games (unfeasible from financial standpoint). The story should be written in a way that allows choices to have consequences and let the player side with various factions, while not requiring you to diverge too much from the main path. Alpha Protocol was great with this, where choosing your handler for a mission would switch some things up, but didn't require the devs to come up with completely different maps and main narrative.

 

[normie]

 

[Sibelius]

Question for the crazy people that have bought this, are the pronouns on or off be default? Do you have to actively switch them on or off?

I’m not crazy to buy it, but display pronouns in PC character sheet (they called “Identifier”) is off by default. Also it appears you could name you character whatever you want, including Faggot, Nazi or Adolf Hitler. So here’s that I guess.

Wow, thats more of a concession than I thought. Elon should reply back with a screenshot of that captioned 'Wait till you see the default'.

 

[whocares]

Petition to turn this ?guy's? face into a My Face Is Tired button.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

This game and Veilguard are confirmation that the Overton Window exists. Avowed was a perfect fit for modern sensibilities, when the new Dragon Age was several years ahead.

Get ready to barve, boys!

 

[coldcrow]

(...)
BTW. Here is Unreal Engine 5 tax to pay:

1080p, DLLS PERFORMACE, ALL LOW
57fps on fucking RTX5080 XD XD
(...)

This is RTX 5080 on a Ryzen 3600. You do not, ever, pair this GPU with such a low end CPU. This part of the video was showing CPU scaling - and the game handles that well.

On my PC, the game performs quite alright and might be the best performing UE5 game I've tried. I've got a Ryzen 5800X3D and an RTX 4070 12GB GDDR6X. With everything set to epic detail, DLSS Quality and frame generation, overriden with the new Transformer model, I get no less than 120 fps. Without framegen that would be a bit above 60 fps. Not ideal, but since this is UE5 with Nanite and Lumen, I'd say it's good. The graphics style may not blow your mind but Nanite is beautiful (no pop-ins) and hardware ray traced Lumen... is a bit hit and miss. Water reflections are nice, lighting and shadowing is nice, but some objects have huge noise on them, which is a thing I hate about current state of RT the most. Perhaps a patch will add ray reconstruction, which changed Cyberpunk 2077 from an ugly mess to something actually great looking.

As for the game itself, I spent 2 hours with it and I liked it. The writing is kind of meh but I didn't have a cringe moment yet. Can't say much about character progression because I barely levelled up, but so far it's all good for an action RPG. Combat feels a lot better than I expected based on videos. The only thing that I do not like is there seems to be no toggle for walking when playing with K&M.

I'll play some more later tonight.

Ryzen 3600 is one of the best CPUs premiered just 4 years ago. And that's better than 99% of what people usually have. It is still at minimum mid cpu. Not everyone is rocking X3Ds or i9s which are enthusiast grade expensive cpus.

You are a joke if you think that mid grade cpu shouldn't at least hold 60fps in fucking 540p which is what DLSS performance at 1080p is.

And it's not like Avowed does any simulation. It doesn't simulate shit.
Oh and that's on fucking LOW settings.

My rig is swell with 4090 and X3D proc but i am not dump enough to stan this shit because i used r3600 and lower gear for most of my

A quick glance various bottleneck calculations show a 33% bottleneck at 1080p for a 3600 Ryzen and a 4080 RXT Super. The The joke seems to be on you. I got a similar rig as soulburner 7800x3d 4070ti 12GB ROG Strix, solid cooling solution. It's a really decent gear for 2k gaming, I can run everything at the highest settings with DLAA (DLSS smear I can't tolerate) at minimum 60fps. Add small ini tweaks or frame generation and it's 100+ fps.
So you are a moron.

 

[Perkel]

A quick glance various bottleneck calculations show a 33% bottleneck at 1080p for a 3600 Ryzen and a 4080 RXT Super. The The joke seems to be on you.

A quick glance that you can't get 60fps stable on Ryzen3600 which is mid grade CPU on low, on 540p, with 1000$ gpu tells me you are fucking moron.

I take that back. Morons aren't as stupid as you.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I will still go into it with an open mind

Honestly an objective mistake. This game is so ass it's beyond belief. It's way more entertaining to laugh at the shitshow than actually play it. I regret even pirating it.

 

[coldcrow]

The point was that your rig is clearly bottlenecked. Whatever shortcomings the engine has idk, since I didn't play the game.

Edit: You clearly have no idea of the work the cpu has to do for modern games. I don't either, but it is WAY more than one might think initially.

 

[Dark Souls II]

The reason writing in mainstream RPGs is so shit nowadays is that they copy jarpigs and anime.

The most retarded statement I've seen here in weeks.

Fantasy anime is great because it is not subversive. Let's take the most acclaimed fantasy anime in recent history:

Do you know what this anime doesn't have?

- retarded graphomaniac attempts at "worldbuilding". No glwyglwlgwuyn'geths, no xuaripiers, no fampyrryerys, no gunguglsugw''st or whatever blowjob sounds retards the like of Josh Soyer try to use to sound fancy. No uaamduaaduuauaa fish niggers, no however-the-gremlin-things-are-called. There are dwarves, elves, demons, normal fantasy stuff.

- things are normal. The dwarf is a warrior. He has a beard, he has an axe. He is not le reddit subverting your expectations Obsidian faggot dwarf who CARRIES A BOW CAN YOU SEE? HE'S AN ARCHER! and who is gay and was molested by other dwarves as a kid. Human warrior is just a normal human warrior. He is noble and good and wants to kill demons and monsters with a sword. He is not a faggot, he likes the cute elf girl, he doesn't want to fuck the dwarf. The cleric is a good guy who heals people, he is a member of a good church that helps people.

- the main quest is this: killing demons. Demons are always evil, no exceptions. You don't negotiate with demons, you kill them. You don't try to understand the feelings of misunderstood demons. You exterminate je... demons on sight. There is no doubt that this is the good thing to do, the heroes do this because they are the good guys.

- there's nothing about coming out as non-binary, coming out as gay, finding out that the good church is secretely bad, finding out that the monsters are secretely misunderstood, there's nothing about fighting racism (some races are good, some are bad), fighting colonialism, none of that shit

- and last but not least, the whole thing is not filled to the brim with niggers and ugly people, like, for example, Asoyed

Anime writing is the anti-thesis to westoid fantasy writing. It is the last bastion of the true spirit of Aryan fantasy.

 

[Yosharian]

A quick glance various bottleneck calculations show a 33% bottleneck at 1080p for a 3600 Ryzen and a 4080 RXT Super. The The joke seems to be on you.

A quick glance that you can't get 60fps stable on Ryzen3600 which is mid grade CPU on low, on 540p, with 1000$ gpu tells me you are fucking moron.

I take that back. Morons aren't as stupid as you.

I mean maybe you shouldn't expect 60 FPS on a budget CPU that's 6 years old for a UE5 title

 

[Yosharian]

Me, when Obsidian tries to sell me this game for $70:

Wait, wait, wait a second. What's going on? Am I playing Vergil to your Dante? I'd like to assume that we're tiptoeing into the mouth of hell out of academic curiosity, but I'm not so open-minded that I've lost my brains.

 

[Fedora Master]

The only part of the presentation I wasn’t entirely sold on was the user interface. It’s extremely busy, it was hard to read without the needed onboarding from the game’s first chapters, and it’s undeniably gaudy. Knowing Obsidian, I expect there are means to customise just how much info pops up on the screen at any given time, but if that isn’t the case and numbers are destined to be flashing in your face for the game’s entirety, I fear the ugliness of the UI could come to overshadow the game’s otherwise gorgeous art.

Roguey you cuck

 

[luj1]

I mean if Colony Ship was a better game it would probably have sold better

you're my hero yosharian

He's right though, Colony Ship underdelivered

 

[whocares]

A quick glance various bottleneck calculations show a 33% bottleneck at 1080p for a 3600 Ryzen and a 4080 RXT Super. The The joke seems to be on you.

A quick glance that you can't get 60fps stable on Ryzen3600 which is mid grade CPU on low, on 540p, with 1000$ gpu tells me you are fucking moron.

I take that back. Morons aren't as stupid as you.

I mean maybe you shouldn't expect 60 FPS on a budget CPU that's 6 years old for a UE5 title

Or maybe we should stop accepting the sad excuses for developers feeding us slop that can't run on a decent machine without upscaling while taking up 100+ GB of storage. Especially in the world where KCD2 exists and runs infinitely better on significantly weaker hardware while not making you want to gouge your eyes out every time you look at it.

If you need an upscaler for your game to barely work - you've failed as a developer and I refuse to play your game. This should be the default stance. Sadly, it apparently isn't, even on the codex. The idea that one should have the latest PC to play games, especially now that they've long since stopped looking better in any appreciable way is ridiculous and is just one big excuse for incompetence.

 

[Sergio]

The reason writing in mainstream RPGs is so shit nowadays is that they copy jarpigs and anime.

The most retarded statement I've seen here in weeks.

Fantasy anime is great because it is not subversive. Let's take the most acclaimed fantasy anime in recent history:

Do you know what this anime doesn't have?

- retarded graphomaniac attempts at "worldbuilding". No glwyglwlgwuyn'geths, no xuaripiers, no fampyrryerys, no gunguglsugw''st or whatever blowjob sounds retards the like of Josh Soyer try to use to sound fancy. No uaamduaaduuauaa fish niggers, no however-the-gremlin-things-are-called. There are dwarves, elves, demons, normal fantasy stuff.

- things are normal. The dwarf is a warrior. He has a beard, he has an axe. He is not le reddit subverting your expectations Obsidian faggot dwarf who CARRIES A BOW CAN YOU SEE? HE'S AN ARCHER! and who is gay and was molested by other dwarves as a kid. Human warrior is just a normal human warrior. He is noble and good and wants to kill demons and monsters with a sword. He is not a faggot, he likes the cute elf girl, he doesn't want to fuck the dwarf. The cleric is a good guy who heals people, he is a member of a good church that helps people.

- the main quest is this: killing demons. Demons are always evil, no exceptions. You don't negotiate with demons, you kill them. You don't try to understand the feelings of misunderstood demons. You exterminate je... demons on sight. There is no doubt that this is the good thing to do, the heroes do this because they are the good guys.

- there's nothing about coming out as non-binary, coming out as gay, finding out that the good church is secretely bad, finding out that the monsters are secretely misunderstood, there's nothing about fighting racism (some races are good, some are bad), fighting colonialism, none of that shit

- and last but not least, the whole thing is not filled to the brim with niggers and ugly people, like, for example, Asoyed

Anime writing is the anti-thesis to westoid fantasy writing. It is the last bastion of the true spirit of Aryan fantasy.

Wanna know what else this anime doesn't have? My interest, because it was fucking boring.

 

[MakenBro]

Looks familiar. Truly Skyrim-inspired.

 

[Gandalf]

The reason writing in mainstream RPGs is so shit nowadays is that they copy jarpigs and anime.

The most retarded statement I've seen here in weeks.

Fantasy anime is great because it is not subversive. Let's take the most acclaimed fantasy anime in recent history:

Do you know what this anime doesn't have?

- retarded graphomaniac attempts at "worldbuilding". No glwyglwlgwuyn'geths, no xuaripiers, no fampyrryerys, no gunguglsugw''st or whatever blowjob sounds retards the like of Josh Soyer try to use to sound fancy. No uaamduaaduuauaa fish niggers, no however-the-gremlin-things-are-called. There are dwarves, elves, demons, normal fantasy stuff.

- things are normal. The dwarf is a warrior. He has a beard, he has an axe. He is not le reddit subverting your expectations Obsidian faggot dwarf who CARRIES A BOW CAN YOU SEE? HE'S AN ARCHER! and who is gay and was molested by other dwarves as a kid. Human warrior is just a normal human warrior. He is noble and good and wants to kill demons and monsters with a sword. He is not a faggot, he likes the cute elf girl, he doesn't want to fuck the dwarf. The cleric is a good guy who heals people, he is a member of a good church that helps people.

- the main quest is this: killing demons. Demons are always evil, no exceptions. You don't negotiate with demons, you kill them. You don't try to understand the feelings of misunderstood demons. You exterminate je... demons on sight. There is no doubt that this is the good thing to do, the heroes do this because they are the good guys.

- there's nothing about coming out as non-binary, coming out as gay, finding out that the good church is secretely bad, finding out that the monsters are secretely misunderstood, there's nothing about fighting racism (some races are good, some are bad), fighting colonialism, none of that shit

- and last but not least, the whole thing is not filled to the brim with niggers and ugly people, like, for example, Asoyed

Anime writing is the anti-thesis to westoid fantasy writing. It is the last bastion of the true spirit of Aryan fantasy.

Maybe you're not far from the truth, but Frieren anime (which by the way is a very faithful manga adaptation) does have a very strong female characters and weak male ones.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

You played RPG games 20 years ago and couldn't wait to see how they'd improve and expand them in the future as technology improves

Tbh, RPGs were shit even 20 years ago.

 

[Yosharian]

A quick glance various bottleneck calculations show a 33% bottleneck at 1080p for a 3600 Ryzen and a 4080 RXT Super. The The joke seems to be on you.

A quick glance that you can't get 60fps stable on Ryzen3600 which is mid grade CPU on low, on 540p, with 1000$ gpu tells me you are fucking moron.

I take that back. Morons aren't as stupid as you.

I mean maybe you shouldn't expect 60 FPS on a budget CPU that's 6 years old for a UE5 title

Or maybe we should stop accepting the sad excuses for developers feeding us slop that can't run on a decent machine without upscaling while taking up 100+ GB of storage. Especially in the world where KCD2 exists and runs infinitely better on significantly weaker hardware while not making you want to gouge your eyes out every time you look at it.

If you need an upscaler for your game to barely work - you've failed as a developer and I refuse to play your game. This should be the default stance. Sadly, it apparently isn't, even on the codex. The idea that one should have the latest PC to play games, especially now that they've long since stopped looking better in any appreciable way is ridiculous and is just one big excuse for incompetence.

Both positions are extreme.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect 60 FPS from a 6yo budget CPU, sorry.

 

[Orange Clock]

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The only part of the presentation I wasn’t entirely sold on was the user interface. It’s extremely busy, it was hard to read without the needed onboarding from the game’s first chapters, and it’s undeniably gaudy. Knowing Obsidian, I expect there are means to customise just how much info pops up on the screen at any given time, but if that isn’t the case and numbers are destined to be flashing in your face for the game’s entirety, I fear the ugliness of the UI could come to overshadow the game’s otherwise gorgeous art.

Roguey you cuck

It is

 

[Grunker]

I mean if Colony Ship was a better game it would probably have sold better

you're my hero yosharian

He's right though, Colony Ship underdelivered

I agree with Yosharian. I also think AoD is even worse.

 

[Nelka]

I usually like exploration-based loot, but here in this game they treat you like some parkour monkey, you are jumping all the time to collect some materials, which are necessary to progress. They made upgrading weapon/armor way too mandatory. You found some nice unique weapon? Great, but it's just normal grade for now, so you have to invest so many resources to make it even viable.

 

[Perkel]

I don't think it's reasonable to expect 60 FPS from a 6yo budget CPU, sorry.

Ryzen 3600 is 4 year old cpu that was 95% up there with best CPU at the time being only slightly slower than best CPU Ryzen 3800 in games. And it wasn't budget CPU. It was cheap relatively to it's performance which is why it was bought by everyone but it was still expensive high end CPU.

Even now it is solid MID cpu.

If your game can't go past 60fps regardless of settings or graphics without pushing simulation then you fucked up at optimization. Simple as that.