Avowed character creation has pronouns - Elon Musk disapproves, Obsidian art director disapproves of his disapproval

[Pink Eye]

Thats basically the polar opposite of what is being exposed here in thread.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the mutilation of the privates, nor am I okay with it being used as a political movement to further the agenda of an insidious ideology, period. It being in video games is a byproduct of a greater decline affecting everything around us - government, work, politics, commerce, etc. Video games are cultural; thus it isn't just gaming, it's the entertainment industry in general, such as: films, cartoons, comics, etc. You can't go two steps without this crap in your face. The problem is, for some of us, voicing our opinion about this stuff results in an immediate removal from a community. Just talking about this crap gets you censored outside of Kodex. An example, look at this guy who got a community ban on steam just voicing the most mildest take against woke shit: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4625855423767978226/

A community ban. A harsh restriction that steam can give to an account, see:

What types of restrictions can be applied to a Steam account?
[...]
Community Bans are issued to an account when the account is used in ways that violate Steam's Community Guidelines excessively. Most Community Bans will expire, but extended or even permanent bans may be issued if the prohibited activity continues or if the moderation team finds the activity egregious.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4F62-35F9-F395-5C23

^that's what constituted as a violation against steam's guidelines - stating that you're against this crap.

Now the guy is my friend, he messaged me about it, and I couldn't help but just feel sorry for him. It's even worse in other communities like Reddit where you get penalized for wrong think.

 

[HoboForEternity]

And lets be honest if a game that aligned 100% with your political views and it sucked goblin ass you guys probably would rather keep that money in the wallet.

liberal cannot comprehend that some people want no real life politics of any kind in their games, no matter if they agree or not with the opinion given

Look at AoD. Is Antidas communist? Liberal? Conservator? What's his stance on faggotry? We don't know and we don't care. Is Darista lesbian? What she thinks of minorities? We don't know and we don't care

Again it's not the politics, it's lazy writing and/or pandering without thoughts. Metal gear solid is political. Ff7 is political, fucking one piece is VERY Political. lot of art and literature (including heavily commercialized ones). I truly believe representation is important and beneficial on the caveat of it is written well and the concept diegetically arise from within its narrative. the problem is lazy writing and pandering that stems from it.

If it's something like ring of power's black elves, it's just lazy and forced because there is no context in lotr's world that allow elves to look african.

A good example is actually pillars of eternity's vallia. A lot of of people in codex panned it for being "black italians" which honestly there are already context and lore explanation why the vallian republics have darker skin. At a surface it's african representation, but it naturally arise from an already existing subrace in the world, and that's up to the author. It's certainly much better than black odin or someshit like that.

For context, a lot of Christian hates God's not dead movies, not because they hate themselves, but because it's bad, lazy and just shitty pandering in general.

 

[Vox Machina]

If you keep looking for political validation in the game you consume you are gonna be miserable. You are not the product you consume its fucking entertainment and it impress that I have to write this as some form of innovative statement. Its just a matter of game is shit or not.
Game shit? Dont buy it. Game is good? Buy it and enjoy yourself. We already have plenty of reasons to consider this existence a god damn hellscape, we don't need to start adding bureaucratic processes in how we manage to escape from it.

You cannot separate the art from the artist

Apropos this statement, plenty of people can. In fact I'm almost certain everyone can. Ever hear a song you liked but you didn't know the artist? Congrats you just separated art from artist. Even if I knew the artist of every song I listened to I definitely don't care what their political beliefs are, and even if I did, it wouldn't stop me from liking the song. It's an emotional response.

 

[Sweeper]

If you keep looking for political validation in the game you consume you are gonna be miserable. You are not the product you consume its fucking entertainment and it impress that I have to write this as some form of innovative statement. Its just a matter of game is shit or not.
Game shit? Dont buy it. Game is good? Buy it and enjoy yourself. We already have plenty of reasons to consider this existence a god damn hellscape, we don't need to start adding bureaucratic processes in how we manage to escape from it.

You cannot separate the art from the artist

Apropos this statement, plenty of people can. In fact I'm almost certain everyone can. Ever hear a song you liked but you didn't know the artist? Congrats you just separated art from artist. Even if I knew the artist of every song I listened to I definitely don't care what their political beliefs are, and even if I did, it wouldn't stop me from liking the song. It's an emotional response.

Well you think you're separating but really you're just ignoring. Dostoyevsky was a socialist who became a devout Orthodox Christian after his mock execution and imperial pardon.
All of his works reflected that series of events. If it didn't happen Dostoyevsky wouldn't be Dostoyevsky, and his novels would be vastly different.
You can disagree with the artist, you can ignore him, but you can't separate him (or his views) from his works. Enjoyment has nothing to do with it.

 

[Takamori]

No, what I'm arguing is according to the whole logic you presented even if I decide to critique something I'm becoming this thing because I dared to touch it like some evil witchcraft. Now if is necessary or not, you will tell yourself. If you already feel safe enough for that answer, thats enlightenment to you, you determining it by yourself with your life experience.
Would you rather we live in a fucking hivemind where someone else tell you what to feel or not?

Now regarding criticism for gaming media, not telling to buy every fucking game out there in order to critique. Its asinine and you can even detect through various ways. From news where the company keeps changing directors like underwear, trailers showing fuck all from gameplay, when they say they want the "wide audience"(where it got rebranded as modern audience) or any other meme that we are already tired of seeing it.

Now a woke game that I enjoyed it was BG3, did I become a sexual deviant, wanting to become a trans orc with a helicopter penis and g cups? No.
It was just a enjoyable experience, it was well put together and the themes don't get shoved down your throat as the right way. You can murder or fuck with everyone in the game and thats a plus for me, means the writer don't care if you like or not the characters and won't put in your way as the right path.

 

[Vox Machina]

Thats basically the polar opposite of what is being exposed here in thread.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the mutilation of the privates, nor am I okay with it being used as a political movement to further the agenda of an insidious ideology, period. It being in video games is a byproduct of a greater decline affecting everything around us - government, work, politics, commerce, etc. Video games are cultural; thus it isn't just gaming, it's the entertainment industry in general, such as: films, cartoons, comics, etc. You can't go two steps without this crap in your face. The problem is, for some of us, voicing our opinion about this stuff results in an immediate removal from a community. Just talking about this crap gets you censored outside of Kodex. An example, look at this guy who got a community ban on steam just voicing the most mildest take against woke shit: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4625855423767978226/

A community ban. A harsh restriction that steam can give to an account, see:

What types of restrictions can be applied to a Steam account?
[...]
Community Bans are issued to an account when the account is used in ways that violate Steam's Community Guidelines excessively. Most Community Bans will expire, but extended or even permanent bans may be issued if the prohibited activity continues or if the moderation team finds the activity egregious.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4F62-35F9-F395-5C23

^that's what constituted as a violation against steam's guidelines - stating that you're against this crap.

Now the guy is my friend, he messaged me about it, and I couldn't help but just feel sorry for him. It's even worse in other communities like Reddit where you get penalized for wrong think.

Your friend is more than welcome to not use Steam. Nobody is forcing them to use Steam at gunpoint. At least I hope they're not. There are other platforms to buy PC games from. Hell, maybe your friend should beg Elon to make a PC games store. They can be like the Rumble to Steam's Twitch!

 

[Takamori]

Thats basically the polar opposite of what is being exposed here in thread.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the mutilation of the privates, nor am I okay with it being used as a political movement to further the agenda of an insidious ideology, period. It being in video games is a byproduct of a greater decline affecting everything around us - government, work, politics, commerce, etc. Video games are cultural; thus it isn't just gaming, it's the entertainment industry in general, such as: films, cartoons, comics, etc. You can't go two steps without this crap in your face. The problem is, for some of us, voicing our opinion about this stuff results in an immediate removal from a community. Just talking about this crap gets you censored outside of Kodex. An example, look at this guy who got a community ban on steam just voicing the most mildest take against woke shit: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4625855423767978226/

A community ban. A harsh restriction that steam can give to an account, see:

What types of restrictions can be applied to a Steam account?
[...]
Community Bans are issued to an account when the account is used in ways that violate Steam's Community Guidelines excessively. Most Community Bans will expire, but extended or even permanent bans may be issued if the prohibited activity continues or if the moderation team finds the activity egregious.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4F62-35F9-F395-5C23

^that's what constituted as a violation against steam's guidelines - stating that you're against this crap.

Now the guy is my friend, he messaged me about it, and I couldn't help but just feel sorry for him. It's even worse in other communities like Reddit where you get penalized for wrong think.

The only thing I disagree here is him being banned from other unrelated games discussion, makes no sense.
But any business out there is free to serve or not if you behave in a hostile way or in this particular case "trollish" way. I guess the only thing I would do different is to allow the person that got banned from the discussion because the dev didn't like him is to get a refund back unless what the person wrote some turbo schizo shit.

 

[Sweeper]

Now a woke game that I enjoyed it was BG3, did I become a sexual deviant, wanting to become a trans orc with a helicopter penis and g cups? No.

I don't know mate, you do sound kinda faggy.

 

[Takamori]

Now a woke game that I enjoyed it was BG3, did I become a sexual deviant, wanting to become a trans orc with a helicopter penis and g cups? No.

I don't know mate, you do sound kinda faggy.

You want to invite me to a dinner?

 

[GhostInTheHell]

This game will suck, but not because it is "woke" or anything related to this.

It's an actual thing that is unfortunate because everytime a game flops and has actual legit criticisms the grifters that subsumes everything into woke and culture war bs. There can be no discourse anymore that address the actual issue without sliding down into meaningless term that is "woke". Yes, not even dustborn flopped because it's "woke"

It flopped because stupid writing, worldbuilding and shityy gameplay.

By that logic, woke content, no matter the degree of wokeness, could ever be the reason for a game to not be appealing to the market.

In Dustbin's case though, the writing (including the characters) and worldbuilding (and arguably the gameplay, 'triggered' as a skill anyone?) sucked because it was infused with woke propaganda being pushed by the developers.

Thart was all openly the intent of the team, they did it all for reasons related to contemporary politics and woke virtue signaling:

https://www.psu.com/news/dustborn-ps5-interview-keeping-hope-alive-in-a-world-that-hates-you/

The idea behind Dustborn’s setting and characters was also influenced by a series of political events that deeply affected us all, beginning in the summer of 2016, and continuing until…well, today. As game developers, we wanted to tell a story that felt relevant and thematically timely, with a cast of characters that could more accurately represent our player base and the setting, and to hopefully have some positive impact on the world…in addition to being an entertaining game.

The game wouldn't even exist, or would be much different (better) if not for the wokeness of the team. Most of the issues and valid criticisms are indeed inseparable from the identity politics and virtue signaling that is integral to the woke ideology the game was built around.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Read what I said, last resort to try salvaging a shitty product. It doesn't make money its a shoddy attempt to get some money back from the disaster.

How many times have it worked?

 

[Ol' Willy]

Your friend is more than welcome to not use Steam. Nobody is forcing them to use Steam at gunpoint. At least I hope they're not. There are other platforms to buy PC games from. Hell, maybe your friend should beg Elon to make a PC games store. They can be like the Rumble to Steam's Twitch!

 

[Takamori]

Read what I said, last resort to try salvaging a shitty product. It doesn't make money its a shoddy attempt to get some money back from the disaster.

How many times have it worked?

Probably zero because the whole base is a shitty product, but it something they will try to apply and it has zero cost to the company regardless if you like it or not.

 

[Vox Machina]

And lets be honest if a game that aligned 100% with your political views and it sucked goblin ass you guys probably would rather keep that money in the wallet.

liberal cannot comprehend that some people want no real life politics of any kind in their games, no matter if they agree or not with the opinion given

Look at AoD. Is Antidas communist? Liberal? Conservator? What's his stance on faggotry? We don't know and we don't care. Is Darista lesbian? What she thinks of minorities? We don't know and we don't care

Again it's not the politics, it's lazy writing and/or pandering without thoughts. Metal gear solid is political. Ff7 is political, fucking one piece is VERY Political. lot of art and literature (including heavily commercialized ones). I truly believe representation is important and beneficial on the caveat of it is written well and the concept diegetically arise from within its narrative. the problem is lazy writing and pandering that stems from it.

Well said.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Try recalling the name of any character from Silent Storm

That's actually pretty easy dude. Though yeah, not as memorable as anyone from Jagged Alliance.

 

[Vox Machina]

Your friend is more than welcome to not use Steam. Nobody is forcing them to use Steam at gunpoint. At least I hope they're not. There are other platforms to buy PC games from. Hell, maybe your friend should beg Elon to make a PC games store. They can be like the Rumble to Steam's Twitch!

Didn't two out of three of these things (not familiar with payment processors, sorry) happen very recently? Twitter alts are Threads and BlueSky. The US Government seems to be destined for a big shakeup over the next 4 years. And, if you wanna look at live streaming services we have two examples who are ideologically different than Twitch in Rumble and Kick. Not to mention the fact that YouTube has live streaming as well as, wait for it, Twitter!

Edit: And if you wanna stay within the realm of PC game store alternatives there's GoG, Xbox, and EGS. And Elon has more than enough money to start his own.

 

[markec]

If you keep looking for political validation in the game you consume you are gonna be miserable. You are not the product you consume its fucking entertainment and it impress that I have to write this as some form of innovative statement. Its just a matter of game is shit or not.
Game shit? Dont buy it. Game is good? Buy it and enjoy yourself. We already have plenty of reasons to consider this existence a god damn hellscape, we don't need to start adding bureaucratic processes in how we manage to escape from it.

You cannot separate the art from the artist

Apropos this statement, plenty of people can. In fact I'm almost certain everyone can. Ever hear a song you liked but you didn't know the artist? Congrats you just separated art from artist. Even if I knew the artist of every song I listened to I definitely don't care what their political beliefs are, and even if I did, it wouldn't stop me from liking the song. It's an emotional response.

When seeing the state of the world its obvious that in reality most people are influenced by the media we consume. Sure playing a single game or watching a single movie wont change your opinions but a lifetime of them will. Most people around you have radically different opinions on racism, homosexuality, gender equality, transgenderism etc., then people 100 years ago.

This is not normal evolution but years of media and academia programming people into accepting certain beliefs as normal that some like me consider degenerate. There is a saying "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.". Same kind of a great trick is convincing the masses that they themselves are so smart and enlightened to accept all those degenerate behavior as a new normal.

"Yes I can separate art from artist and enjoy a game/movie/song/book without it influencing me. Yes I support gay marriage, abortion rights, trans rights, why do you ask?"

In 30 years your child will also be as enlightened and smart as you and will to be able to separate art from artist. While claiming that while 5 year old having a sex change operation is completely normal having bestiality in every media is just a fad for generating controversy, that you should just ignore it while enjoying your game or movie if its good and afterall what one does in privacy of its own home its their own responsibility.

 

[Vox Machina]

If you keep looking for political validation in the game you consume you are gonna be miserable. You are not the product you consume its fucking entertainment and it impress that I have to write this as some form of innovative statement. Its just a matter of game is shit or not.
Game shit? Dont buy it. Game is good? Buy it and enjoy yourself. We already have plenty of reasons to consider this existence a god damn hellscape, we don't need to start adding bureaucratic processes in how we manage to escape from it.

You cannot separate the art from the artist

Apropos this statement, plenty of people can. In fact I'm almost certain everyone can. Ever hear a song you liked but you didn't know the artist? Congrats you just separated art from artist. Even if I knew the artist of every song I listened to I definitely don't care what their political beliefs are, and even if I did, it wouldn't stop me from liking the song. It's an emotional response.

When seeing the state of the world its obvious that in reality most people are influenced by the media we consume. Sure playing a single game or watching a single movie wont change your opinions but a lifetime of them will. Most people around you have radically different opinions on racism, homosexuality, gender equality, transgenderism etc., then people 100 years ago.

This is not normal evolution but years of media and academia programming people into accepting certain beliefs as normal that some like me consider degenerate. There is a saying "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.". Same kind of a great trick is convincing the masses that they themselves are so smart and enlightened to accept all those degenerate behavior as a new normal.

"Yes I can separate art from artist and enjoy a game/movie/song/book without it influencing me. Yes I support gay marriage, abortion rights, trans rights, why do you ask?"

In 30 years your child will also be as enlightened and smart as you and will to be able to separate art from artist. While claiming that while 5 year old having a sex change operation is completely normal having bestiality in every media is just a fad for generating controversy, that you should just ignore it while enjoying your game or movie if its good and afterall what one does in privacy of its own home its their own responsibility.

What sort of music do you listen to that makes you want to perform bestiality?

 

[Sweeper]

What sort of music do you listen to that makes you want to perform bestiality?

 

[Pink Eye]

I disagree here is him being banned from other unrelated games discussion, makes no sense

The specifications of this particular ban wasn't just about revoking his posting privileges in a particular steam sub forum. The specification was denying him the ability to post about reviews, add friends on steam, talk on any forum, etc - it revoked his steam social features. I didn't know those kinds of bans were a thing until today. He's been on the platform for 20+ years and that was his first getting such a ban because he spoke up against the woke shit. Now that's just steam. It's so much worse in other places. Heck, in real life you can lose your job over this - hello cancel culture.

 

[docmars]

Your friend is more than welcome to not use Steam. Nobody is forcing them to use Steam at gunpoint. At least I hope they're not. There are other platforms to buy PC games from. Hell, maybe your friend should beg Elon to make a PC games store. They can be like the Rumble to Steam's Twitch!

I think you're kind of missing the point though. Of course there's competition available, and of course they have the freedom not to use a service. These are a given, and it's kind of a lazy argument.

It's that, as a paying (or potential) customer of any given game, he's apparently not allowed to voice considerably mild feedback around a game's heavy ideological shenanigans and preaching. Unfortunately it's become so prevalent that even writing this kind of feedback is seen more as a meme or "bait" on Steam's forums -- and in many cases, it really is just point farming, and the people leaving sincere feedback are undermined by shitposters, so depending on the game, nobody takes them seriously. Thankfully, in most forums I see far more support for the complaints about wokeness than not. What matters is whether there are signs of significant pushback or not, and their forums are the easiest way to voice that. There's a large demand for purging this shit -- an anti-DEI Steam curator group is one of the largest on the entire platform.

When it all boils down to it though, I think Steam reviews are a better avenue than opening a discussion, if one can even call it one. For anyone willing to risk the money, they can leave a negative review and refund it.

 

[Ol' Willy]

When seeing the state of the world its obvious that in reality most people are influenced by the media we consume. Sure playing a single game or watching a single movie wont change your opinions but a lifetime of them will.

As Russian saying goes "call man a pig one hundred times and he will start to squeal"

 

[Vox Machina]

Your friend is more than welcome to not use Steam. Nobody is forcing them to use Steam at gunpoint. At least I hope they're not. There are other platforms to buy PC games from. Hell, maybe your friend should beg Elon to make a PC games store. They can be like the Rumble to Steam's Twitch!

I think you're kind of missing the point though. Of course there's competition available, and of course they have the freedom not to use a service. These are a given, and it's kind of a lazy argument.

It's that, as a paying (or potential) customer of any given game, he's apparently not allowed to voice considerably mild feedback around a game's heavy ideological shenanigans and preaching.

Paying or not a business is well within its rights to remove anyone from their service/premises if they're acting against the ToS or just being an ass/psychopath.

Live look at this person's friend as Steam says get the fuck out: https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/comments/1erzt1d/sticking_out_her_gyatt_at_att/

 

[mondblut]

Yes I support gay marriage, abortion rights, trans rights, why do you ask?"

Great job lumping the desire to sleep around yet not end up emburdened with an unwanted little shit (which is something every healthy man and woman desires most of the time) together with tranny "rights". Sure way to win hearts for the cause, LMAO.

 

[docmars]

if they're acting against the ToS or just being an ass/psychopath

That's not how this scenario was described at all though. If they're writing regular feedback that happens to push back against a game's ideological choices, it doesn't inherently fit these descriptions, does it? I assume gamers are expected to shut up and not be customers I guess?

More realistically, this person probably got mass-reported and banned as a result of automatic moderation or something, when really, it could have easily just been ignored.