Amiga, Commodore and creativity

[analt]

This means that I need a 1571 or two now...1541's are ok, but I think (not totally certain) they create a bit of a speed bump.

The difference is HUGE. Running with Fastload and a 1571 feels like running DOS from a 5" floppy. Running from a 1541 feels ... faster than tape. My favorite description was "slightly faster than typing in the program yourself."

Took me forever to figure out that the Fastload cartridge kept my machine out of 128 mode, though ...

 

[Carlos' Bitch1]

This means that I need a 1571 or two now...1541's are ok, but I think (not totally certain) they create a bit of a speed bump.

The difference is HUGE. Running with Fastload and a 1571 feels like running DOS from a 5" floppy. Running from a 1541 feels ... faster than tape. My favorite description was "slightly faster than typing in the program yourself."

Took me forever to figure out that the Fastload cartridge kept my machine out of 128 mode, though ...

I will have to track one down, even if they prove a little expensive then.

Still, using 1541's has allowed me to sit back, relax, and read through a few pages of a novel now and again, depending on the game. The main attraction to me in regards to a 1571 is the double sided reading ability they have, though I would need two of them; I already daisy chain two 1541's for less disk swapping.

 

[Luzur]

Commodore coming back as keyboard computers?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/16/the- ... /#comments

i feel like ive posted this before, but anyway.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

I just found the game I was looking for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYhPplBTdZ0
Commando Lybia :D .
I remember playing it as a kid :D . I loved the executions :D .

 

[Suchy]

Bros, bros... http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/xcv6dv_ ... n_creation

 

[Luzur]

OCEAN logo remake, other then that it was mostly arcade and Nintendo stuff.

 

[kris]

I still have a C128 and floppy somewhere, wonder if the discs would still work

On Amiga, it seems I used to play a lot of Cinemaware games:

Lords of the Rising Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0U7ZqOz2fU

It came from the Desert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDktGefg8xY

Wings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEIARv4zpCk

But not only, also conversions of my favorites on the C64:

Pirates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw02aJxqXGo

Elite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsuWgLEQBxM

and also a lot this:

Indianapolis 500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33O15xA ... re=related

A man of my taste. Especially the first one.

 

[Mortmal]

Bros, bros... http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/xcv6dv_ ... n_creation

wow just wow...

 

[Luzur]

FFS, bros, post, discuss!

bought me these puppies lately:

also not shown on pic, joystick and batman game.

 

[Doma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cCuhpUi ... re=related

Hell yeah!

Someone please do a longlplay of this.

I still dont know how it ends

 

[Mortmal]

Sounds like your c128 is pristine , new never unpackaged one ? or barely used at all ? I noticed the plastic of my old amiga got yellow, and never found a way to turn it to white again, i guess its completely impossible.

 

[Haba]

Sounds like your c128 is pristine , new never unpackaged one ? or barely used at all ? I noticed the plastic of my old amiga got yellow, and never found a way to turn it to white again, i guess its completely impossible.

Sunlight, the bane of all things white.

 

[Luzur]

Sounds like your c128 is pristine , new never unpackaged one ? or barely used at all ? I noticed the plastic of my old amiga got yellow, and never found a way to turn it to white again, i guess its completely impossible.

dunno who you mean, but somehow i always kinda got lucky getting non yellow computers.

also, maybe this could help you?

http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/

 

[Mortmal]

yes that its, very good link. Could be worth a try dipping it in hydrogen peroxide.

 

[denizsi]

yuck! these games didn't age well...

The fuck?

Troll?

 

[denizsi]

FFS, bros, post, discuss!

bought me these puppies lately:

also not shown on pic, joystick and batman game.

Nostalgia is too much to take, it hurts bad. I felt like suffocating for a moment there.

 

[Suchy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuseG4MoZyY

 

[Tails]

It seems Amiga Forever ain''t an empty words, new model is upcoming, called AmigaOne X1000 (plus new AmigaOS 4 screen):

he AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It's based on a PowerPC CPU architecture, it includes Xena, a "Software Defined Silicon" co-processor, and above all it runs AmigaOS 4.

It is 25 years since the launch by US computer company Commodore of the Amiga A1000, a revolutionary machine that introduced multimedia and multi-tasking to the world. While AmigaOS has continued in development (making it possibly the longest developed and used desktop OS in the world) the hardware side has had a harder time of it since the demise of Amiga's old parent company, Commodore.

2010 is the year we come back. A-EON technology, in co-operation with a small group of mainly European companies, are creating a new high-end, prestige platform that will once more allow the Amiga Operating System to shine.

The X1000 ends the years of AmigaOS being relegated to a ghetto of outdated hardware - great as it was at the time, the world has moved on a long way since the days of Commodore. For the first time in many years, AmigaOS has a genuinely modern hardware platform.

AmigaOne X1000 specs:

* Dual-core 1.8GHz PowerISA™ v2.04+ CPU
* "Xena" 500MHz XMOS XS1-L1 128 SDS
* ATI Radeon R700 graphics card
* 2GB RAM
* 500GB Hard drive
* 22x DVD combo drive
* customised case, keyboard and mouse
* 7.1 channel HD audio

Ports and connectors:

* 4x DDR2 RAM slots
* 10x USB 2.0
* 1x Gigabit Ethernet
* 2x PCIe x16 slots (1x16 or 2x8)
* 2x PCIe x1 slots
* 1x Xorro slot
* 2x PCI legacy slots
* 2x RS232
* 4x SATA 2 connectors
* 1x IDE connector
* JTAG connector
* 1x Compact Flash

I wonder if this new Amiga will be able to run legacy stuff... more info/screens on a-eon site, there are also screens of AmigaOS 4. They could stick to the Workbench name thought.

 

[Mortmal]

Any benchmarks on those processors ? only the r700 video card is familiar to me, that config could use more ram as well. No idea how good it is, i certainly hope its under the 1000 euros price tag .

 

[Luzur]

too bad no one makes any games for it though.

but if it takes off and gain some creds it could be a supreme indie market?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AwfyBzeidk

anyone up for a laptop C64?

Bah, newfaggotry.

This the real shit:

(I'd so fucking kill for it)

well, if you are an american you are in luck, those things go very cheap over there, while i have to pay with my ass just for the shipping.

still in the hunt for one though, but its gonna be NTSC version, since they are way cheaper.

and PAL versions you can just forget, every C= collector and his aunt stands in line for those in Europe, so prices is rapidly nearing C65 levels.
(btw, there is an aussie selling one of those C65's on the Lemon64 forum, in case you wanna bid.)

 

[Tails]

Any benchmarks on those processors ? only the r700 video card is familiar to me, that config could use more ram as well. No idea how good it is, i certainly hope its under the 1000 euros price tag .

I'm not really sure if any benchmarks are available. Overall I heard some moaning about this whole new Amiga because, it lacks of few things. But since the release date is set for 24 July, some things can change. So far they have about 150+/- of pre-orders, the price will be below 1500 Euro.

too bad no one makes any games for it though.

but if it takes off and gain some creds it could be a supreme indie market?

Games are still released AFAIK, some single titles thought.

Well it seems that the whole guy who funds this project has such plan. Expect for doing AmigaOS 4, they also are working on porting (probably most of it will be open-source stuff, like OpenOffice) or even creating some new software. Overall, If those models sell well, new ones gonna be released for sure. The thing that could be problematic is hostility between MorphOS and AmigaOS followers.

 

[Luzur]

took a trip to the dump today, to leave a box of paint cans and old stinking rugs, came home with a Commodore PC-I, too bad the guy working there had already cut the cable and cracked the screen on that monitor that was with it, but i guess the computer itself is good enough.

it was a good day.

also, found this on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7L5yFKMaWo

this was unknown to me since i had switched to PC when this came out, but it glimpse the potential Amiga had, if it had been handled right.

 

[MisterStone]

I still have a C128 and floppy somewhere, wonder if the discs would still work

On Amiga, it seems I used to play a lot of Cinemaware games:

Lords of the Rising Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0U7ZqOz2fU

It came from the Desert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDktGefg8xY

Wings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEIARv4zpCk

But not only, also conversions of my favorites on the C64:

Pirates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw02aJxqXGo

Elite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsuWgLEQBxM

and also a lot this:

Indianapolis 500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33O15xA ... re=related

A man of my taste. Especially the first one.

Yeah, me too, I played all those games a lot except for Indianapolis 500, which I never played.

Other games I played the hell out of which I think were all mentioned:

Dungeon Master (and Chaos Strikes Back- Amiga version was p. awesome)

Walker

Armourgeddon

Shadow of the Beast I and III (IIRC number II was impossible to win without cheats basically)


Some that might not have been mentioned:

The Killing Gameshow (BEST PLATFORMER EVAR FUCK YEAH)
Gods (THE OTHER BEST PLATFORMER EVAR FUCK YEAH)
Lemmings (damn Psygnosis was awesome)
The Immortal (the Amiga version of this was awesome fun, though it had almost 0 replay value)
Mechwarrior (best tactical mech game evar fuck yeah, and the dude stole the IP from FASA lawl)
Elvira (really, this was a pretty badass adventure game)


The problem with the Amiga was that it became really big right before VGA graphics +286/386 processors became prominent, so there were just a few years there and then they stopped making good original games for it, it seems. THe worst thing about this was a lack of good RPGs. Unlike you rich kid bastards my parent's didn't replace our computer every 2 years, so I missed out on most of the good RPGs from late 80s through 96/97. :evil:

 

[piydek]

also, found this on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7L5yFKMaWo

this was unknown to me since i had switched to PC when this came out, but it glimpse the potential Amiga had, if it had been handled right.

This game showed that in that particular time, Commodore and software companies had to change something about their policy towards supporting old(er) hardware. It's ironic that what killed Commodore was supporting its hardware for too long, not forcing their users into upgrading. When Doom came out (Wolfenstein itself didn't really start the 3D thing on a grand scale) and 3D gaming took off in a major way, Amiga couldn't really compete with 486 PCs anymore. And everyone was going 3D. Amiga 1200/4000 still kicked that time's PC ass on 2D and sound in a major way, but everyone was going 3D. Commodore was sleeping, software companies developed games that worked on stock 1200, nobody upgraded and soon everything was 3D and required processor power that Amiga didn't have.

Another major fail in Commodore's business was Amiga 500+ and Amiga 600. Those two models made no sense at all. I still feel disappointed about the whole story because it wasn't even funny how superior Amiga 500 was to its time PCs. Amiga 1200 was a really good step forward, although one might argue that it came a tiny little bit too late. And the blizzard expansion cards (especially the ones with 68040 and 68060 processors) were expensive as fuck and only needed for a few applications, so they never became a standard.

The game that you linked (Alien breed 3D 2) was actually Team 17's question whether they should continue developing for the Amiga. They said - let's make this game that's on par with contemporary 3D games, let's make it need the hardware it really needs (68040 to run good) and see if people upgrade and it sells, because it's the only way forward for the Amiga. It didn't sell and people didn't upgrade. Another funny story is that quite some time after Doom and Doom2 came out, some guys made the direct port of those two games for the Amiga and they worked playable on Amiga 1200 with 68020 expansion card (28MHz version of 68020 and extra 4mb of ram).

The problem with the Amiga was that it became really big right before VGA graphics +286/386 processors became prominent, so there were just a few years there and then they stopped making good original games for it, it seems.

That's not it. PCs had nothing on Amiga with VGA graphics. So-called "advanced graphics array" chips in Amiga 1200/4000 killed that day's VGA. The problem was processor power and Amiga's inability to pull off more complicated 3D. I won't even comment 286, but 386 and 486 were both a laugh as well compared to Amiga 1200/4000 when it came to 2D and sound. 486 was the real point where PCs took off from more common-ground 68020/68030 AGA Amigas where no amount of clever coding could compensate lack od CPU power with 3D anymore.

 

[piydek]

While we're at it, did anyone play this: Walker ? It was a very enjoyable game to play with a friend - one shooting, one controlling the "walker". True Mayhem.

When it comes to arcades, i also liked these so very much:

Apidya

Banshee

Those were the times when arcade games were hard, you really had to be good to be able to get through them. It was so much fun. Simple games you just couldn't stop playing. There's absolutely nothing like that on the market for quite some time.