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World of Warcraft: The War Within

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World of Warcraft: The War Within

I have been playing for 2.5 hours. I finished the Isle of Dorn questline and was at the part where you go underground, but I decided to turn back and go complete the sidequests up above on the surface.

My current chief complaint is that the expansion is braindead easy. Be it fighting overworld mobs or delves or doing the first dungeon. I don't think my HP has ever gone below 90%, not even when I was mass pulling everything in sight as a DPS spec. For the story delve, you are FORCED to pick the tier 1 difficulty. And then for the dungeon, you are FORCED to go through the dungeon with NPC followers, and again I could pull everything in sight and just not care, and the bosses died so fast I didn't even get to see all of their mechanics or RP. Even FF14 Dawntrail was more challenging than this, when mass pulling FATE mobs while levelling up my other jobs, or the threatening and engaging dungeon bosses where you have to be paying attention and can't be absent mindedly playing. That being said, the moment to moment gameplay of TWW is a little more engaging than Dawntrail was, as Dawntrail was hours and hours of a visual novel with a very boring, low tension story occasionally punctuated by an exciting dungeon or boss fight, vs WoW The War Within where you are constantly running around clicking on objects in the game world and constantly killing stuff.


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The story had me engaged early on with the tension of the sudden devestating attack on Dalaran with people dying in the streets, people being kidnapped and carried away by evil spiders, buildings collapsing, etc. And then you and the survivors fighting for your lives on a beach, and then when Baelgrimm arrives it seemed he was going to arrest us and throw us in prison and we were going to have to break out. But after that it turns out that the Earthen are chill with us, and the tension dissipates and the story becomes kinda boring as you run around doing whatever.


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The destruction of the Cinderbrew Meadery was underwhelming. I was expecting a huge, devestating explosion that would leave nothing but a smoking crater left, but then in the cutscene the stonework and even the wooden barrels that supposedly exploded are still intact. EDIT: upon rewatching the scene, apparently Baelgrimm actually kills the Nerubain lieutenant with just his leap, and there weren't any other living Nerubians around, so why did we blow up all of this mead again?

I finished the prologue AND the first zone storyline in only 2.5 hours? We only have three more zones to go and then the raid? How short is this expansion's campaign?

It is disappointing that we haven't heard word about what is going on the rest of the world at this moment. Dalaran - one of the most advanced cities/nations of the world and the world's center of magical learning, and a pillar of the world's infrastructure - was just wiped out in 20 minutes. There should be world wide panic and every nation going on red alert and mobilizing their flying cavalry, airships, mage portals, etc, and sending an immediete punitive expedition. Not just the nations, but also military orders such as the Ebon Blade, the Silver Hand, the Tyr's Guard, etc.

There is a moment in the storyline when a character says "Storm" three times in a row. "The stormborn" and "the stormriders" and "the storm something".

Aggravating feminist writing where the strong man who does his job and protects everybody gets shat on in favor of the woman girlboss who deserted her post. Also, women with beards. Won't waste more words on that.



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I like how verdant the new city of Dornogal is, and I like the celtic knot designs in the trim. I do not like how overall blocky/square the architecture is, though. So Valdrakken and Oribos was preferrable in that regard. There was some neat stuff such as gardeners spraying water magic to water the plants instead of using a watering can or a hose.


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It's cool how the Earthen do the Utawarerumono thing and have use crystals for lighting, embedding it into their walls or having it in place of candles on top of stables or on lampstands, but the glow/lighting effect is not very strong/good.


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I find it unbecoming that Madam Goya has set up shop in a small room in a dilapidated alleyway filled with litter and rats and common ruffians. The same Madam Goya who ran the Black Market Auction house out of a nice house on a mountaintop next to a hot springs resort in Pandaria, and was using a palatial stone alcove house in Valdrakken. She has been exchanging highly coveted magical weapons and dragons that sell for millions of gold each for 10 years. She can afford some place nicer. It's like a bank. Going to an auction house is like going to a bank; it needs to look nice and prestigious so when you feel confident about handing over lots of your hard earned money. This is bad form.



Music: haven't heard anything that would make it onto my favorite's playlist so far. I noticed that they are using a hammered dulcimer which is nice, but it isn't Timothy Seaman tier music. There was a playful sounding part around the Cindebrew Meadery, will have to look that up later. The inn music is okayish.

I have been mining and picking herbs and thus far haven't found any cool fantastical stuff like in Dragonflight like the air herbs that blew you back or the frost herbs that froze you.
 

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World of Warcraft: The War Within

I have been playing for 2.5 hours. I finished the Isle of Dorn questline and was at the part where you go underground, but I decided to turn back and go complete the sidequests up above on the surface.

My current chief complaint is that the expansion is braindead easy.

You paid money for this? :lol:


I absolutely love Vanguard. I got in the Beta and I upgraded my PC specifically for it. It mostly ran well for me but some areas would be 18fps, and that was with a 8800GTX which I think was top end at the time if not the top card. They later changed a few things that drastically improved performance but I think they disabled some lighting or cloud technology (actual fluffy 3d moving clouds), and it worked. But the game's graphics lost a little something compared to at release. I still loved how it looks though. There is a dungeon with shiny golden and marble surfaces and it still blows my mind to look at it even now. Seeing that in 2006 was mind blowing.

Vanguard was friggin' cool and it's a travesty that it died. I didn't discover it until it was on the way out and was kicking myself. It had such great ideas.
 

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Strap Yourselves In Pathfinder: Wrath
My current chief complaint is that the expansion is braindead easy.
I agree 100%. The difficulty curve is a joke at the moment. I ran a few heroics on my Blood DK, expecting a step up in difficulty and I was dead wrong. Granted, people still die if they mess up the insta-kill mechanics, such as those in Dawnbreaker. Coincidently, everyone bitches about Dawnbreaker - I wonder why :-D.

I thought Blizzard wanted heroics to better bridge the gap to mythics, but I don't see that happening. I recall mythic 0 is supposed to be equivalent to a 10+ in DF, and there is no damn way heroics can prepare new players for that.

Vanguard was friggin' cool and it's a travesty that it died. I didn't discover it until it was on the way out and was kicking myself. It had such great ideas.
I haven't heard that name in ages. I can't remember why it failed though.
 

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WoW should copy Lord of the Rings Online's landscape difficulty slider. Some may enjoy the braindead rush to endgame but if I were going to bother playing retail I'd want the majority of PvE content (questing) to be enjoyable. It's why I don't play Elder Scrolls Online anymore.
 

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My current chief complaint is that the expansion is braindead easy. Be it fighting overworld mobs or delves or doing the first dungeon. I don't think my HP has ever gone below 90%, not even when I was mass pulling everything in sight as a DPS spec. For the story delve, you are FORCED to pick the tier 1 difficulty. And then for the dungeon, you are FORCED to go through the dungeon with NPC followers, and again I could pull everything in sight and just not care, and the bosses died so fast I didn't even get to see all of their mechanics or RP. Even FF14 Dawntrail was more challenging than this, when mass pulling FATE mobs while levelling up my other jobs, or the threatening and engaging dungeon bosses where you have to be paying attention and can't be absent mindedly playing. That being said, the moment to moment gameplay of TWW is a little more engaging than Dawntrail was, as Dawntrail was hours and hours of a visual novel with a very boring, low tension story occasionally punctuated by an exciting dungeon or boss fight, vs WoW The War Within where you are constantly running around clicking on objects in the game world and constantly killing stuff.

Blizzard has announced that they will be increasing leveling difficulty tomorrow (August 28th) with it being most noticeable at level 70.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-increasing-leveling-difficulty-tomorrow-346191
As players have jumped into The War Within and begun leveling up, we’ve seen data and heard a great deal of feedback that players coming into Khaz Algar with endgame Dragonflight gear were extremely powerful relative to that initial content. It is entirely intended that effort put into gearing translates into a significant combat advantage at the start of a new expansion, but the values we’ve been seeing are extreme, often not even allowing time for normal combat rotations. This disparity also caused mixed-level groups to experience skewed results, with lower-level players contributing drastically more than level 80s. Tomorrow, Wednesday, August 28, we’re going to apply hotfixes to the game to address this.

The hotfixes will adjust the scaling of enemies in War Within leveling content to increase the power of lower-level enemies, bringing the duration of combat more in line with expected WoW behavior. These changes will be most noticeable at level 70, and will have a reduced impact as your level increases. Enemies at level 80 and above will be unchanged.

Again, we’ll make these changes tomorrow, August 28.

Thank you!
 

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Vanguard was friggin' cool and it's a travesty that it died. I didn't discover it until it was on the way out and was kicking myself. It had such great ideas.
I haven't heard that name in ages. I can't remember why it failed though.

Vanguard was a fantasy game that came about during the height of WoW's popularity as both a game and pop culture phenomenon, as I recall. WoW basically sucked all the air out of the space and killed every other game that didn't target a different genre niche.
 

Thalstarion

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Arathi are hit or miss. The biggest issue is the one-armed lady (Faerin); she suffers from modern writing. A “not Imperium of Man” would be welcome, but I can already see Blizzard trying to backtrack and water it down with Faerin.

The initial entrance to Hallowfall, where land opens up, the light clears, and the music hits you - perfect. I think the last time I had a reaction to a zone entry was the Dark Portal/Hellfire Peninsula. I don’t know why Blizzard hasn’t managed to nail that recently.
Yeah, the premise is a cool one. The execution is as you say, very hit and miss.

I really like the Empire trope in general though so few modern games do it right. It always slides into petty caricatures of 'fascism' and 'zeal' rather than a bolder, more nuanced take that focuses on the better elements of the likes of the Roman Empire.

I'll reserve my full judgement for now. Hopefully the game won't do what FFXIV did and completely nuke the Empire off screen after teasing and building it up for years.
 
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I have finished all sidequests up on the surface, and then finished the main storyline of the second zone, the Ringing Deeps. I am now level 77, half way to 78.


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The sidequests are overall much more engaging than usual. Sure, you have your usual filler chores with the locals you don't give a hoot about (though some of them were neat such as the above one with the rock giant), but you also have sidequests with prior characters you do care about, such as Rannan, or sidequests with the Bronzebeards. I have also come across two sidequestlines that seem to be somewhat plot important foreshadowing conspiracies within the leadership and history of the Earthen.


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The fungal treant and the candle monsters look cool.


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I like this fantasy plant with a crystal growing out of it.


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I came across an ore that was wrapped in magical webs, and when I tried to mine it I got caught by webs and slowed down. Neat.

I like the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles-esque Kobold delve where you have to carry the candle/air purifier around or you will die outside of it. The candle/air purifier runs out of fuel the more steps you take, so you have to actually stop and plan out your route around the room. And there are tough enemies who can knock you back, further expending your candle/air purifier, so you have to burst down that mob/stun him/use knockback prevention abilities.



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They're doing that stupid thing again from the Zaralek Cavern storyline where you confront a villain, and then your character just stands there doing absolutely nothing while this villain does whatever he wants be it picking up a magical artifact or attacking the guy you are supposed to be protecting or running away to do evil things another day. How many more people would I have saved from being zombified had I cut him down as he ran past me?


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The narrative is making Magni out to be some deadbeat father who "failed" Moira and Dagran. Huh? It was Moira who chose to say "screw you dad!" and have a baby with an evil demon worshipper who then got killed and left Moira a widow and Dagran without a father. It was Moira who decided to continue living with the evil demon worshipping dwarves rather than come home to the safety of her people. But Magni is getting blamed for the foolishness of his daughter, and she's thrusting the responsibility of her actions on him? What a joke.



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The sanctimonious prerendered cutscene dialogue and presentation continues to be awful.

The Ringing Deeps story ends with Moira Bronzebeard (a foreign royal) unilaterally appointing Brinthe as the Earthen's new High Speaker. Not only is this an ergregious violation of sovereignty, but Moira has only known Brinthe for a couple hours at most, as we know that Brinthe has been away from the Speakers for several years, possibly decades or centuries. There could very easily be other Earthen speakers who didn't desert who would have more experience than Brinthe and more understanding and would be better qualified. Sure, the Speaker NPCs come running in cheering for Brinthe at the end, but you would think they would be rooting for one of their own who had been with them for the past however many years through thick and thin, rather than some deserter who hasn't been with them for however long and just came slinking back right when a position opens up.
 

Vyvian

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Turning Magni into a mewling cuck is par for the course.
Been called a tinfoil hatter but if you notice Blizzard has been systematically destroying every strong male character in the story to prop up their new girlboss replacements.
I can't wait for the shitstorm when they get back to Illidan then again I expected one for how they treated Arthas in Shadowlands and it never really materialized so maybe the fanbase is broken beyond care.
 

Habichtswalder

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I only played 1,5 hours of the new expansion so far. Unfortunately I read a spoiler about what's happening during the introduction quest before you go to the Isle of Dorn. So the story stuff war nothing special so far.

The start at the Isle of Dorn with the battles at the beach was the usual stuff. I think many expansions started in a very similar fashion. The new capital (?) city of the earthen seems to have a decent layout but the look itself is not very interesting. Feels a bit greyish tbh. Don't know yet if that's true for the entire zone or just the city. I also dislike the bearded females. Don't know why. Maybe because it looks stupid, maybe because it feels like a social message/commentary. Maybe both.

So, impressions are not too great so far but WoW is always like coming home and relaxing. I hope I find some more time to play in the next days.
 

Keshik

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Is usual fare so far, finished Isle of Dorn for the most part. The side quests have been nice - the jewel crafter lady getting the predictable Twilight Zone ending and the dying Earthen suffering dementia/alzheimers were memorable. First three Delves were ok. The Follower dungeons seem better than before, it's not atrociously slow as I found it when I first did a couple back in DF.
 

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The narrative is making Magni out to be some deadbeat father who "failed" Moira and Dagran. Huh? It was Moira who chose to say "screw you dad!" and have a baby with an evil demon worshipper who then got killed and left Moira a widow and Dagran without a father. It was Moira who decided to continue living with the evil demon worshipping dwarves rather than come home to the safety of her people. But Magni is getting blamed for the foolishness of his daughter, and she's thrusting the responsibility of her actions on him? What a joke.
The whole writing around Moira is retarded.
Magni gives his speech about how he finally feels absolved of his responsibility to Azeroth after returning back to his normal form and Moira does what she always does and makes it about herself. I get that this is also part of Magni's character but it's so on the nose and embarrassing that it almost feels like they're making Moira unlikable on purpose even though I'm sure that's not their intention.
 

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i've seen some pretty crazy posts last a long time on the wow forums funny enough, it's not like reddit where a thread like that would immediately get you ip-banned and reported to obama

i think they don't really moderate their forums. they probably pay some guy 100 rupees a week to clean up the most egregious things. honestly i'm surprised that they even still have a forum
 

Thalstarion

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Moira just fits the trend of the game refusing to hold women accountable for anything. That's been a problem long before DEI/ESG and can be attributed in large part to the writers being disgusting simps.

Much like how Jaina and Vereesa never answered for the Purge of Dalaran and Sylvanas was turned into the 'real victim all along actually' at the least possible second, Moira isn't held responsible for any of the shady stuff that she did.

I'm glad to see it being called out, especially on the official forum. There's similar threads over on the European side of the fence as well.

It's a shame because the zone design and music is great, even some of the plot beats are good. Then it's inevitably ruined by another generic 'strong woman' character or worse yet a they/them abomination. There's a quest after the main campaign is concluded involving Lillian and a Nerubian of all things that goes by they/them pronouns. In what is meant to be a tragic moment - the Nerubian in question being corrupted - Lillian yells 'THEY ARE NOT THEMSELVES' which made me burst out laughing, at least.

It's just awkward and immersion breaking. I noticed that Faerin's dead friend is always referred to as 'they' rather than being outlined as explicitly male or female. Which is weird. Especially when she suddenly wants to find a different missing friend later on, who turns out to be a slain blacksmith who is directly referred to as a guy all along.
 

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All I'm waiting for is for Alleria to show up more in my campaign in order to do more strong independent woman crap so she can screw up some more. People are talking about anduin not doing anything (which is correct, sat least at the point where I'm at) but Alleria is straight up sabotaging at this point.
 

Elttharion

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At this point I am just happy I quit this game before Blizz went full retard
 

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