World of Warcraft: Dragon Desperation

[fizzelopeguss]

Shockingly bad art on that race.

 

[Cryomancer]

Is truth that cataclysm killed wow? I was looking into the most popular WoW private servers and :

About 98.5% of the population in this private server is playing WotLK and only 1.5% Mists of Pandaria. PRobably there are more people in queue for the Icecrown server than playing Mists...

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

You're looking in the wrong place. MoP already has dedicated private servers for it so people who want to play MoP are going there, not to a primarily Wrath centered private server.

Cataclysm alone didn't kill WoW. It's true that it is sandwiched between two much more beloved (and objectively better) expansions, but Cata came out in 2010. WoW's massive explosion of popularity in the mid-2000s was facilitated by the right environmental conditions, which then evaporated a few years later. By 2010, social media was taking off. Steam was taking off. Playing online with other people wasn't a novel experience anymore. WoW was no longer a mainstream phenomena. There wasn't a massive amount of people coming in to check out WoW anymore. After 2010, WoW only spiked in popularity with the huge marketing pushes surrounding an expansion launch. Otherwise you're looking at a gradual decline in subscribers as the game becomes increasingly unenjoyable to play by yourself, and people start getting too old to commit to raiding. The and only time the sub decline was arrested was during MoP, which managed to flatline the sub loss for a couple years, a testament to the quality of that expansion.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Blame whatever you want. Furry issues were in Cata. MoP was shit.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The graph illustrates my point. After the initial rise and fall of popularity that accompanies launch, MoP's subscriber base remained stable all the way through the expansion's lifecycle, up until the 14 month content drought in between 5.4 and WoD.

 

[Late Bloomer]

I wasn't trying to disagree with your point. Nobody gives a shit. Cata wasnt fun and neither was MoP. Many people agreed. If the game stayed fun it wouldnt have lost that many subs. Most the people I knew who kept playing just didnt want to leave their friends so they kept at it.

 

[Cryomancer]

Warlock in classic till WotLK was so well designed. And had so many cool quests, but Blizzard killed my favorite class. You now get demons for free. No longer needs to do quests, get items, investigate, find tomes, summon and enslave the demon in a magical sigil. And high level demons? In classic, they where very hard to control and always broke free from your control and the strongest demon required a long ritual, killed one caster involved in the ritual and also had to be constantly enslaved or break free.

In a private server, back in 2018, I played as an WLK till about lv 34. And I'm not a huge mmo fan.

 

[J1M]

I wasn't trying to disagree with your point. Nobody gives a shit. Cata wasnt fun and neither was MoP. Many people agreed. If the game stayed fun it wouldnt have lost that many subs. Most the people I knew who kept playing just didnt want to leave their friends so they kept at it.

MoP was a big miss tonally and the introduction of a class that was too heavily influenced by real-world asian culture permanently damaged the game. I can't believe a class where half of the abilities are "some kind of kick" or "drink some kind of tea" ever got off the drawing board. Especially when they had the Diablo 3 monk and Warcraft's runemaster concepts floating around the office. It was also very lazy of them to make an entire continent that was just different flavors of china land.

However, many people have fond memories of MoP. It was the first time they did the "legendaries for everyone" thing. Having an orange item was a nice dopamine release for some people. It also had the best max-level zone added to the game: Timeless Isle. Something they've been trying to chase ever since with other less inspired attempts.

 

[Reever]

MoP already has dedicated private servers for it so people who want to play MoP are going there, not to a primarily Wrath centered private server.

Also Warmane's known to inflate their numbers, especially for Icecrown, in order to sell premium status to skip the queue ever since they were called Molten WoW.

 

[Cromwell]

However, many people have fond memories of MoP

probably people that started late. I have never heard anyone say anything really goood about expansions after cataclysm (or cataclysm itself) that started to play in vanilla wow or BC. But that could also be because these people were already burned out from the game and if they were still playing they just went through the motions for whatever reason.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

On the biggest WoW fan forum, MMO-Champion, MoP is the second most beloved expansion in polls. The usual reasons are the exemplary class design, aesthetics and music (second to last expansion with Dustin Brower composing), storyline, and plethora of solo content.

 

[Late Bloomer]

On the biggest WoW fan forum, MMO-Champion, MoP is the second most beloved expansion in polls. The usual reasons are the exemplary class design, aesthetics and music (second to last expansion with Dustin Brower composing), storyline, and plethora of solo content.

MMO-Champion? Those people are insufferable. You post there, right? So with this knowledge I am sure a MoP server will be successful for Blizzard with all those MMO-Champion people ready to play it.

 

[Myobi]

MMO-Champion? Those people are insufferable.

People are insufferable everywhere, MMO-Champ just has a really shitty moderation system that makes people tip-toe around its shitty rules with shitty passive-aggressive behavior. You can't make a joke or meme without hurting someone feefee's. spamming a bunch of reports on your ass for trolling or some other bullshit.

 

[RapineDel]

Blame whatever you want. Furry issues were in Cata. MoP was shit.

Disagree, MoP actually has great content the theme just wasn't very appealing.

It was the opposite of WoD that had shit content but a great theme, hence the spike in subs but with a quick decline.

 

[Late Bloomer]

MMO-Champion? Those people are insufferable.

People are insufferable everywhere, MMO-Champ just has a really shitty moderation system that makes people tip-toe around its shitty rules with shitty passive-aggressive behavior. You can't make a joke or meme without hurting someone feefee's. spamming a bunch of reports on your ass for trolling or some other bullshit.

I agree on the insufferable part. Thing is, that poll has Legion in it. Which means the people who took that poll stuck around that site with its heavy handed moderation, were ok with it, and kept going to the site and voted. The ship sunk on MMO Champion long before that poll was conducted.

 

[quaesta]

Kids being molested by pedophiles dressed as mascots and then those kids growing up with unusual sexual desires is a much more likely original cause of the furry situation than Blizzard pushing a covert furry agenda with seemingly innocuous creature designs.

Kek, I almost was a childhood rape victim. I've still got unusual sexual desires, just not the furry kind.

 

[quaesta]

Blame whatever you want. Furry issues were in Cata. MoP was shit.

Disagree, MoP actually has great content the theme just wasn't very appealing.

It was the opposite of WoD that had shit content but a great theme, hence the spike in subs but with a quick decline.

Over 5 million, and it never dropped. How do people find justifications to continually pay to play a game for years? Especially with all I hear about it being complete shite.

 

[Myobi]

MMO-Champion? Those people are insufferable.

People are insufferable everywhere, MMO-Champ just has a really shitty moderation system that makes people tip-toe around its shitty rules with shitty passive-aggressive behavior. You can't make a joke or meme without hurting someone feefee's. spamming a bunch of reports on your ass for trolling or some other bullshit.

I agree on the insufferable part. Thing is, that poll has Legion in it. Which means the people who took that poll stuck around that site with its heavy handed moderation, were ok with it, and kept going to the site and voted. The ship sunk on MMO Champion long before that poll was conducted.

I was talking about the community problem in general, not the poll.

 

[Hammer Of The Heretics]

The same way people pay for gym membership but never exercise?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

On the biggest WoW fan forum, MMO-Champion, MoP is the second most beloved expansion in polls. The usual reasons are the exemplary class design, aesthetics and music (second to last expansion with Dustin Brower composing), storyline, and plethora of solo content.

selection bias

 

[quaesta]

The same way people pay for gym membership but never exercise?

Don't remind me. New Years is coming up, and it's gonna be packed. I'll have to work out at 6 not 7 in January

 

[Cromwell]

Over 5 million, and it never dropped.

I dont think blizzard gave out official stats anymore after the sharp decline.

 

[J1M]

Yeah, the only question is if it ever dropped below 1m subscribers or not. It was certainly below 2m at points after Legion.

 

[Reever]

The usual reasons are the exemplary class design, aesthetics and music (second to last expansion with Dustin Brower composing), storyline, and plethora of solo content.

I can MAYBE let the other points pass as they are somewhat subjective but exemplary class design? MoP is prime example of what's wrong with modern WoW classes.

 

[J1M]

The usual reasons are the exemplary class design, aesthetics and music (second to last expansion with Dustin Brower composing), storyline, and plethora of solo content.

I can MAYBE let the other points pass as they are somewhat subjective but exemplary class design? MoP is prime example of what's wrong with modern WoW classes.

Reports from beta are that for many specs the only resource left to manage is the global cooldown. I suspect many will praise it, but this seems like another step along the road they started when mana stopped being a concern.