Why is Fallout New Vegas considered good?

[Sweeper]

Did they just make every FUCKING THING we did in Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas completely pointless?!

No? The show makes it pretty clear that it's a self-contained storyline that doesn't have much connection to the storylines from the games.

The show still fucking sucks, but this complaint is pretty smooth-brained imo.

I haven't followed up on anything related to this shitshow since the first few days, is Shady Sands still nuked cause one dude got cucked by his wife or nah?

 

[Mauman]

No? The show makes it pretty clear that it's a self-contained storyline that doesn't have much connection to the storylines from the games.

Didn't the Toddster say it was "canon" and "basically Fallout 5" or some shit like that?

I have no fucking clue how someone can be so stupid to call it self-contained when it takes elements and setting from each of 1, 2, and vegas. And then proceeds to piss all over them it seems.

I mean fucking HOUSE is a character in the show (though recast, RIP Rene).

edit - anyways, this is old information I know. I didn't look into it at the time because I assumed it would be bad. I'm just in shock at how bad it actually is.

 

[HappyDaddyWow!]

The show destroyed the NCR and New Vegas. The literal settings those games are in, and then shows it. How the fuck can you call THAT self-contained?

Because its a TV show? Obviously it needs to have the NCR and New Vegas, those are major points in the setting. But beyond that there's no mention of FEV or The Master, no mention of Caesar, Mr. House is only given a small cameo, etc. All the major characters and plot elements are purposefully ignored in favor of establishing its own thing. The NCR is barely mentioned and hand-waved away.

Show still sucks but for way different reasons.

 

[HappyDaddyWow!]

No? The show makes it pretty clear that it's a self-contained storyline that doesn't have much connection to the storylines from the games.

Didn't the Toddster say it was "canon" and "basically Fallout 5" or some shit like that?

I have no fucking clue how someone can be so stupid to call it self-contained when it takes elements and setting from each of 1, 2, and vegas. And then proceeds to piss all over them it seems.

I mean fucking HOUSE is a character in the show (though recast, RIP Rene).

edit - anyways, this is old information I know. I didn't look into it at the time because I assumed it would be bad. I'm just in shock at how bad it actually is.

Why are you having a spaz meltdown about a show you haven't even watched lmao

House isn't a character in the show - he has like a 5 second cameo

 

[Mauman]

No? The show makes it pretty clear that it's a self-contained storyline that doesn't have much connection to the storylines from the games.

Didn't the Toddster say it was "canon" and "basically Fallout 5" or some shit like that?

I have no fucking clue how someone can be so stupid to call it self-contained when it takes elements and setting from each of 1, 2, and vegas. And then proceeds to piss all over them it seems.

I mean fucking HOUSE is a character in the show (though recast, RIP Rene).

edit - anyways, this is old information I know. I didn't look into it at the time because I assumed it would be bad. I'm just in shock at how bad it actually is.

Why are you having a spaz meltdown about a show you haven't even watched lmao

House isn't a character in the show - he has like a 5 second cameo

Because it makes 1, 2, and Vegas seem pointless. To me at least.

And a cameo is still a character in a show.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

No? The show makes it pretty clear that it's a self-contained storyline that doesn't have much connection to the storylines from the games.

They've been saying that the show is canon since the beginning. In fact, I'm reasonably certain the point of the show is to reset the West Coast, trash everything that came before it, so they can do whatever they want there going forward.

I mean fucking HOUSE is a character in the show (though recast, RIP Rene).

Mr. House was a brilliantly written brilliant character in New Vegas. He single handedly set up a means of shielding Las Vegas from the brunt of the nuclear attack. Even in his state we see him in New Vegas, he's very much still working out things in order to do his idea of protecting Vegas. He's the kind of character you almost never really see in games. His motives are fairly grey. You don't know if he's in it because he just loves Vegas or if he wants Vegas to remain independent so it's under his control. Sure, he's pulling strings, including the strings of your character, but you really don't know his deep rooted motives behind everything.

 

[HappyDaddyWow!]

No? The show makes it pretty clear that it's a self-contained storyline that doesn't have much connection to the storylines from the games.

They've been saying that the show is canon since the beginning. In fact, I'm reasonably certain the point of the show is to reset the West Coast, trash everything that came before it, so they can do whatever they want there going forward.

That still doesn't really mean anything because there's no substantial changes to the game lore that can't be immediately retconned.

Shady Sands was blown up, but it's established that the NCR still exists and will likely have a resurgence or whatever. There's no other major lore changes beyond that to my knowledge.

Again, it seems like people who never watched the show, freaking out about something that's a complete non-issue, especially when the atrocities that are Fallout 4 and 76 are canon.

Show still sucks, just for different reasons.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Mount & Blade always looked pretty good IMO. Very low budget but they knew how to design picturesque scenes in the towns and villages. The only really unacceptable stuff in M&B was a couple of the battle maps where terrain-gen-insanity led to hills with like 90 degree faces and stretched textures.

M&B defiantly looked better than Fire & Sword.

Wasn't F&S basically an ascended mod like the viking one?

 

[heightfax]

Mount & Blade always looked pretty good IMO. Very low budget but they knew how to design picturesque scenes in the towns and villages. The only really unacceptable stuff in M&B was a couple of the battle maps where terrain-gen-insanity led to hills with like 90 degree faces and stretched textures.

M&B defiantly looked better than Fire & Sword.

Wasn't F&S basically an ascended mod like the viking one?

I think it was off M&B Napoleon but not totally sure...

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

That still doesn't really mean anything because there's no substantial changes to the game lore that can't be immediately retconned.

You mean like the ghouls that now require some magical medicine, that makes no sense that it exists, and would have to be spread all over the country because not every ghoul in the wasteland is feral?

How about the Master never finding Vaults 31 to 33 or Vault 4 in his backyard? He was in Los Angeles for 10 years and those vaults were all above ground.

What's the retcon that explains why Shady Sands is in Los Angeles when it's always been on the outskirts of Fresno?

How about the OSI in Camp McCarran still getting equipment shipments from Shady Sands in 2281 when it supposedly fell in 2277?

Oh, how about Alice McLafferty talking about the power grid from Hoover Dam to Shady Sands in 2281? Before you say communications, HAM Radios exist in Fallout, and Bethesda added them. You can also walk from Fresno(Shady Sands) to the Hoover Dam in 6 days - the long way.

How about Kimball getting re-elected when the capitol of the NCR supposedly fell during his first term? It's said in several places that his biggest negative is that he has failed to bring the Mojave in to the NCR.

Caesar doesn't know anything about Shady Sands falling when you talk to him in 2281 and he's got a laundry list of things he thinks are weak about the NCR. Again, 6 day walk from where he is and Shady Sands.

Kind of interesting that Vault-Tec supposedly nuked the United States when it's said in several games that China did it. I guess they just don't want to offend China these days. We'll also just ignore how retarded it is that the big plan to make money is to kill off the majority of your consumers, wreck everything remotely considered infrastructure and evaporate the economy. The Underpants Gnomes in South Park had a better grasp of obtaining profit than these people.

 

[taxalot]

https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-gam...ing-new-vegas-still-enjoys-it-as-grown-woman/

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Boy Who Grew Up Playing New Vegas Still Enjoys It as Grown Woman​

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BY Ben Cherry M ON May 9, 2024
LAS VEGAS — In the wake of Amazon Prime’s Fallout television series local gamer Eda Jeanston has revealed that she still enjoys playing New Vegas as much as she did when she was a young boy.
Jeanston, a 26-year-old trans woman from Nevada, posted to the Fallout subreddit how the cult classic third-person-shooter was her first exposure to queer culture, and how she never did actually beat the game; well, not until being reminded of it through Amazon’s Fallout series.
“I first played it when I was 12 and only knew two things, Deathclaws were scary and I really liked Veronica Santangelo and didn’t know why. Y’know, when you’re a kid, you don’t think about it, but you also do,” Eda said. “Back then, you knew what gay sort of meant, and you knew lesbians from American Pie. It was really hush-hush, yeah? Then New Vegas dropped, and little old me learned girls could have power fists. While also liking other girls.”
Fallout: New Vegas is fondly remembered for having two openly and prominently queer companions that can be recruited by the player: Arcade Gannon, a gay man that a male player with the ‘Confirmed Bachelor’ perk can flirt with to recruit immediately and bypass an otherwise required quest, and Veronica Santangelo, whose sexuality as a lesbian is a focal point of her character’s story, having her girlfriend forced away from her by her sole parental figure, who frowned upon Veronica’s relationship.
“I was obsessed with her. I thought she was the coolest companion in the game. There was this one quest she’d give where she asked my character to help her find a dress, because she’d always wanted to wear one, and I guess dresses aren’t all that practical in the apocalypse. I think something clicked after that.”
Eda was asked how she felt returning to (and completing) New Vegas this year, and after it was clarified to her that this was not a request for her opinions on Fallout 4, she stated:
“It’s always really funny, looking back on what you liked as a kid, especially when it’s like, holy shit, that’s the pretty lady that transed my gender. Veronica was, like, the blueprint for my taste in women. I have a $250 replica Power Fist I bought off Etsy that’s gonna arrive in a week. Live your best life, kiddos. Give more pretty ladies weapons, it might save your boys a whole lotta years of soul-searching.”
At press time, Jeanston is still going through the comments on her post where people are sharing similar stories. She is ignoring all the ones that mention Fallout 4.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-gam...ing-new-vegas-still-enjoys-it-as-grown-woman/

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Boy Who Grew Up Playing New Vegas Still Enjoys It as Grown Woman​

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BY Ben Cherry M ON May 9, 2024
LAS VEGAS — In the wake of Amazon Prime’s Fallout television series local gamer Eda Jeanston has revealed that she still enjoys playing New Vegas as much as she did when she was a young boy.
Jeanston, a 26-year-old trans woman from Nevada, posted to the Fallout subreddit how the cult classic third-person-shooter was her first exposure to queer culture, and how she never did actually beat the game; well, not until being reminded of it through Amazon’s Fallout series.
“I first played it when I was 12 and only knew two things, Deathclaws were scary and I really liked Veronica Santangelo and didn’t know why. Y’know, when you’re a kid, you don’t think about it, but you also do,” Eda said. “Back then, you knew what gay sort of meant, and you knew lesbians from American Pie. It was really hush-hush, yeah? Then New Vegas dropped, and little old me learned girls could have power fists. While also liking other girls.”
Fallout: New Vegas is fondly remembered for having two openly and prominently queer companions that can be recruited by the player: Arcade Gannon, a gay man that a male player with the ‘Confirmed Bachelor’ perk can flirt with to recruit immediately and bypass an otherwise required quest, and Veronica Santangelo, whose sexuality as a lesbian is a focal point of her character’s story, having her girlfriend forced away from her by her sole parental figure, who frowned upon Veronica’s relationship.
“I was obsessed with her. I thought she was the coolest companion in the game. There was this one quest she’d give where she asked my character to help her find a dress, because she’d always wanted to wear one, and I guess dresses aren’t all that practical in the apocalypse. I think something clicked after that.”
Eda was asked how she felt returning to (and completing) New Vegas this year, and after it was clarified to her that this was not a request for her opinions on Fallout 4, she stated:
“It’s always really funny, looking back on what you liked as a kid, especially when it’s like, holy shit, that’s the pretty lady that transed my gender. Veronica was, like, the blueprint for my taste in women. I have a $250 replica Power Fist I bought off Etsy that’s gonna arrive in a week. Live your best life, kiddos. Give more pretty ladies weapons, it might save your boys a whole lotta years of soul-searching.”
At press time, Jeanston is still going through the comments on her post where people are sharing similar stories. She is ignoring all the ones that mention Fallout 4.

Wasn't this story actually real, like there's a kid who trooned bc of FO4

New Vegas, and pretty much Fallout as a whole, is responsible for the gayification of a lot of people tbh

 

[Silverfish]

Wasn't this story actually real, like there's a kid who trooned bc of FO4

No one trooned because of the dumbed down dudebro Fallouts. Total Todd victory.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Wasn't this story actually real, like there's a kid who trooned bc of FO4

No one trooned because of the dumbed down dudebro Fallouts. Total Todd victory.

The kid I mentioned made the news, but all discord and twitter troons love New Vegas for some reason

 

[d1r]

The most famous weapon creator for FNV named Millenia also trooned out btw.

 

[Sweeper]

I mean, you do have to be extremely autistic to do actual work for free, and on the hierarchy order of autists,below the janitorial staff of various websites you'll find the accursed modder, the lowest circle. The reason why New Vegas has the largest troon pop is because it's the only decent nuFallout and it's much easier to mod than Fallout 1 or 2.
It's kinda funny how none of the russkies or czechs doing mods for the originals trooned out though... I guess New Vegas really is transcore. Memes becoming fucking reality lmao.
Also I'm taking this opportunity to officially distance myself from any and all Fallout related products. I have never played a Fallout game, I don't know what Fallout is, I disavow.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

It's just a Wasteland spinoff anyways. *shrugs*

Fargo always wins in the end

 

[The Jester]

https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-gam...ing-new-vegas-still-enjoys-it-as-grown-woman/

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Boy Who Grew Up Playing New Vegas Still Enjoys It as Grown Woman​

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BY Ben Cherry M ON May 9, 2024
LAS VEGAS — In the wake of Amazon Prime’s Fallout television series local gamer Eda Jeanston has revealed that she still enjoys playing New Vegas as much as she did when she was a young boy.
Jeanston, a 26-year-old trans woman from Nevada, posted to the Fallout subreddit how the cult classic third-person-shooter was her first exposure to queer culture, and how she never did actually beat the game; well, not until being reminded of it through Amazon’s Fallout series.
“I first played it when I was 12 and only knew two things, Deathclaws were scary and I really liked Veronica Santangelo and didn’t know why. Y’know, when you’re a kid, you don’t think about it, but you also do,” Eda said. “Back then, you knew what gay sort of meant, and you knew lesbians from American Pie. It was really hush-hush, yeah? Then New Vegas dropped, and little old me learned girls could have power fists. While also liking other girls.”
Fallout: New Vegas is fondly remembered for having two openly and prominently queer companions that can be recruited by the player: Arcade Gannon, a gay man that a male player with the ‘Confirmed Bachelor’ perk can flirt with to recruit immediately and bypass an otherwise required quest, and Veronica Santangelo, whose sexuality as a lesbian is a focal point of her character’s story, having her girlfriend forced away from her by her sole parental figure, who frowned upon Veronica’s relationship.
“I was obsessed with her. I thought she was the coolest companion in the game. There was this one quest she’d give where she asked my character to help her find a dress, because she’d always wanted to wear one, and I guess dresses aren’t all that practical in the apocalypse. I think something clicked after that.”
Eda was asked how she felt returning to (and completing) New Vegas this year, and after it was clarified to her that this was not a request for her opinions on Fallout 4, she stated:
“It’s always really funny, looking back on what you liked as a kid, especially when it’s like, holy shit, that’s the pretty lady that transed my gender. Veronica was, like, the blueprint for my taste in women. I have a $250 replica Power Fist I bought off Etsy that’s gonna arrive in a week. Live your best life, kiddos. Give more pretty ladies weapons, it might save your boys a whole lotta years of soul-searching.”
At press time, Jeanston is still going through the comments on her post where people are sharing similar stories. She is ignoring all the ones that mention Fallout 4.

New Vegas wasn't just a game; it was also federal government's secret project, the first prototype of "Cognitohazard Weapon" developed by CIA. They used the game to target young boys specifically, aiming to manipulate their minds and shape their beliefs about gender identity. The game's post-apocalyptic setting were supposedly designed to instill a sense of chaos and confusion, while subtle messages hidden throughout the gameplay and writing would gradually influence players towards embracing queer-communism.

 

[HappyDaddyWow!]

That still doesn't really mean anything because there's no substantial changes to the game lore that can't be immediately retconned.

You mean like the ghouls that now require some magical medicine, that makes no sense that it exists, and would have to be spread all over the country because not every ghoul in the wasteland is feral?

How about the Master never finding Vaults 31 to 33 or Vault 4 in his backyard? He was in Los Angeles for 10 years and those vaults were all above ground.

What's the retcon that explains why Shady Sands is in Los Angeles when it's always been on the outskirts of Fresno?

How about the OSI in Camp McCarran still getting equipment shipments from Shady Sands in 2281 when it supposedly fell in 2277?

Oh, how about Alice McLafferty talking about the power grid from Hoover Dam to Shady Sands in 2281? Before you say communications, HAM Radios exist in Fallout, and Bethesda added them. You can also walk from Fresno(Shady Sands) to the Hoover Dam in 6 days - the long way.

How about Kimball getting re-elected when the capitol of the NCR supposedly fell during his first term? It's said in several places that his biggest negative is that he has failed to bring the Mojave in to the NCR.

Caesar doesn't know anything about Shady Sands falling when you talk to him in 2281 and he's got a laundry list of things he thinks are weak about the NCR. Again, 6 day walk from where he is and Shady Sands.

Kind of interesting that Vault-Tec supposedly nuked the United States when it's said in several games that China did it. I guess they just don't want to offend China these days. We'll also just ignore how retarded it is that the big plan to make money is to kill off the majority of your consumers, wreck everything remotely considered infrastructure and evaporate the economy. The Underpants Gnomes in South Park had a better grasp of obtaining profit than these people.

Again, this just goes back to my previous argument that the show is its own thing separate from the games.

And before you say anything I don't care what Todd Howard says about the canon, Todd Howard said you can climb mountains in Skyrim, it didn't make it true. It's a TV ***adaptation***. You should expect there to be various changes from the source material.

The show blows because of the same reason most shows and movies suck now - forced marvel movie style humor, every white woman has to fuck a black guy at some point, etc. Soulless Hollywood goyslop.

But the lore changes? Could care less, if the show was good. And its not.

I like A Song of Ice and Fire. Does the TV show make various changes I find weird or stupid as a fan? Of course. The first few seasons of the show are still good though, as their own thing separate from the books.

And as big as these show lore changes supposedly are, if it's actually that conflicting it'll just be immediately retconned and Todd and company will backtrack the canon statements as I said earlier.

 

[blessed king of longing]

That still doesn't really mean anything because there's no substantial changes to the game lore that can't be immediately retconned.

You mean like the ghouls that now require some magical medicine, that makes no sense that it exists, and would have to be spread all over the country because not every ghoul in the wasteland is feral?

How about the Master never finding Vaults 31 to 33 or Vault 4 in his backyard? He was in Los Angeles for 10 years and those vaults were all above ground.

What's the retcon that explains why Shady Sands is in Los Angeles when it's always been on the outskirts of Fresno?

How about the OSI in Camp McCarran still getting equipment shipments from Shady Sands in 2281 when it supposedly fell in 2277?

Oh, how about Alice McLafferty talking about the power grid from Hoover Dam to Shady Sands in 2281? Before you say communications, HAM Radios exist in Fallout, and Bethesda added them. You can also walk from Fresno(Shady Sands) to the Hoover Dam in 6 days - the long way.

How about Kimball getting re-elected when the capitol of the NCR supposedly fell during his first term? It's said in several places that his biggest negative is that he has failed to bring the Mojave in to the NCR.

Caesar doesn't know anything about Shady Sands falling when you talk to him in 2281 and he's got a laundry list of things he thinks are weak about the NCR. Again, 6 day walk from where he is and Shady Sands.

Kind of interesting that Vault-Tec supposedly nuked the United States when it's said in several games that China did it. I guess they just don't want to offend China these days. We'll also just ignore how retarded it is that the big plan to make money is to kill off the majority of your consumers, wreck everything remotely considered infrastructure and evaporate the economy. The Underpants Gnomes in South Park had a better grasp of obtaining profit than these people.

Could care less

Couldn't*

 

[HappyDaddyWow!]

That still doesn't really mean anything because there's no substantial changes to the game lore that can't be immediately retconned.

You mean like the ghouls that now require some magical medicine, that makes no sense that it exists, and would have to be spread all over the country because not every ghoul in the wasteland is feral?

How about the Master never finding Vaults 31 to 33 or Vault 4 in his backyard? He was in Los Angeles for 10 years and those vaults were all above ground.

What's the retcon that explains why Shady Sands is in Los Angeles when it's always been on the outskirts of Fresno?

How about the OSI in Camp McCarran still getting equipment shipments from Shady Sands in 2281 when it supposedly fell in 2277?

Oh, how about Alice McLafferty talking about the power grid from Hoover Dam to Shady Sands in 2281? Before you say communications, HAM Radios exist in Fallout, and Bethesda added them. You can also walk from Fresno(Shady Sands) to the Hoover Dam in 6 days - the long way.

How about Kimball getting re-elected when the capitol of the NCR supposedly fell during his first term? It's said in several places that his biggest negative is that he has failed to bring the Mojave in to the NCR.

Caesar doesn't know anything about Shady Sands falling when you talk to him in 2281 and he's got a laundry list of things he thinks are weak about the NCR. Again, 6 day walk from where he is and Shady Sands.

Kind of interesting that Vault-Tec supposedly nuked the United States when it's said in several games that China did it. I guess they just don't want to offend China these days. We'll also just ignore how retarded it is that the big plan to make money is to kill off the majority of your consumers, wreck everything remotely considered infrastructure and evaporate the economy. The Underpants Gnomes in South Park had a better grasp of obtaining profit than these people.

Could care less

Couldn't*

Penis*

 

[9ted6]

I mean, you do have to be extremely autistic to do actual work for free, and on the hierarchy order of autists,below the janitorial staff of various websites you'll find the accursed modder, the lowest circle. The reason why New Vegas has the largest troon pop is because it's the only decent nuFallout and it's much easier to mod than Fallout 1 or 2.
It's kinda funny how none of the russkies or czechs doing mods for the originals trooned out though... I guess New Vegas really is transcore. Memes becoming fucking reality lmao.
Also I'm taking this opportunity to officially distance myself from any and all Fallout related products. I have never played a Fallout game, I don't know what Fallout is, I disavow.

The modding community always seemed weird but the Frontier was what really lifted the curtain to how spergy it truly is.

 

[Stanko]

>Clear Nelson. A few days later NCR soldiers take the town
>Go up to Milo
>"Hey, you're the guy who cleared out Nelson! Very cool! By the way, will you help me kill those crucified troopers down in Nelson? AND DON'T YOU FUCKING THINK OF PLAYING THE HERO! Can't save them! You'll get swarmed"
what
>Walk 10 meters. Soldiers on the crosses are surrounded by NCR troops just standing there
>"I've heard we liberated Nelson"
>Get the soldiers from the crosses and go back to Milo
>"Well, I'm the sap and you're the hero"
>Boone silently cums all over the place because I didn't kill those troopers in cold blood among their own and spills the beans on his wife and Bitter Springs

NV fanboys will always bring up the world dynamics and C&C. And if something doesn't work as intended it's "muh 18 months of development". It's not good and most people (not redditors) don't consider it to be such.

 

[HappyDaddyWow!]

>Clear Nelson. A few days later NCR soldiers take the town
>Go up to Milo
>"Hey, you're the guy who cleared out Nelson! Very cool! By the way, will you help me kill those crucified troopers down in Nelson? AND DON'T YOU FUCKING THINK OF PLAYING THE HERO! Can't save them! You'll get swarmed"
what
>Walk 10 meters. Soldiers on the crosses are surrounded by NCR troops just standing there
>"I've heard we liberated Nelson"
>Get the soldiers from the crosses and go back to Milo
>"Well, I'm the sap and you're the hero"
>Boone silently cums all over the place because I didn't kill those troopers in cold blood among their own and spills the beans on his wife and Bitter Springs

NV fanboys will always bring up the world dynamics and C&C. And if something doesn't work as intended it's "muh 18 months of development". It's not good and most people (not redditors) don't consider it to be such.

Brainlet take. In pretty much every C&C game there's ways to make certain quests or story moments break by completing certain things in a weird sequence. That's just an unfortunate quirk of these types of games and its present in even the best of them (Planescape comes to mind).

Does this suck? Absolutely. But is there a realistic solution? Probably enforcing linearity (which NV does to an extent before you reach the strip) which sucks. You can't expect the devs to account for every possible odd sequence break while keeping a reasonable development deadline.

 

[Stanko]

>Clear Nelson. A few days later NCR soldiers take the town
>Go up to Milo
>"Hey, you're the guy who cleared out Nelson! Very cool! By the way, will you help me kill those crucified troopers down in Nelson? AND DON'T YOU FUCKING THINK OF PLAYING THE HERO! Can't save them! You'll get swarmed"
what
>Walk 10 meters. Soldiers on the crosses are surrounded by NCR troops just standing there
>"I've heard we liberated Nelson"
>Get the soldiers from the crosses and go back to Milo
>"Well, I'm the sap and you're the hero"
>Boone silently cums all over the place because I didn't kill those troopers in cold blood among their own and spills the beans on his wife and Bitter Springs

NV fanboys will always bring up the world dynamics and C&C. And if something doesn't work as intended it's "muh 18 months of development". It's not good and most people (not redditors) don't consider it to be such.

Brainlet take. In pretty much every C&C game there's ways to make certain quests or story moments break by completing certain things in a weird sequence. That's just an unfortunate quirk of these types of games and its present in even the best of them (Planescape comes to mind).

Does this suck? Absolutely. But is there a realistic solution? Probably enforcing linearity (which NV does to an extent before you reach the strip) which sucks. You can't expect the devs to account for every possible odd sequence break while keeping a reasonable development deadline.

Yeah, it's understandable. Most people would never even think of doing things in a strange order. Because most people just complete the game once and then forget about it. I wouldn't know/care either, if I didn't play this game more times than I saw my parents. My post wasn't 100% serious.