Incline Warhammer 40,000 Lore Thread

[Lyric Suite]

Where do Tyranids come from?

Who created the Tyranids?

Are they affected by the Chaos Gods at all?

According to old 90s fluff the Tyranids come from another galaxy that they have already consumed. They are on an never-ending quest for genetic material to use, and have arrived to 40k galaxy to carry on their feast. Their hivemind is akin an overpowered psyker force (a "shadow" over the warp) that protects the Tyranids from Chaos influence and - as a side effect - hides the Astronomicon and disables human psyker communication.

IIRC (4th edition?), there have been some hints that the Tyranids are actually running away from something, although this has since been pretty much ignored/forgotten.

The only thing they'd be running from is starvation.

 

[Kalarion]

Is there any relation between Old Ones in 40k and lizardmen in Warhammer?

Yes because the Old Ones are also in Warhammer. The Lizardmen claim they are the descendants of the Old Ones.

GW has repeatedly stated that AoS and W40K are totally separate universes. They're not linked, at least not in canon lore.

On the topic of the Tyranids, Guy Haley kind of threw (yet another) wrench in the lore in the Dante trilogy. Apparently the Hivemind now shows signs of being self-aware/sentient. There are several passages where the swarm directs itself specifically to destroy the Blood Angels as revenge for their crushing one of its Hive Fleets, going so far as to go net negative on biomass in order to attack them. I'll try to dig up the relevant passages when I get off work later today.

I don't like it. I agree with Lyric Suite; the Tyranids are scarier and more cool when thought of as a non-sentient swarm guided entirely by instinct and the need to expand and evolve (and, possibly, to run like hell from some distant threat). Something that can't be reasoned with or turned aside. An organic force of nature, so to speak.

 

[dacencora]

GW has repeatedly stated that AoS and W40K are totally separate universes. They're not linked, at least not in canon lore.

I was talking about WHFB, but the point still stands. You're right that they're not linked, but both universes have Greenskins, the Chaos Gods, and the Old Ones. And there are some other elements mirrored too (Eldar = High Elves, Dark Eldar = Dark Elves, Empire ~= Imperium of Man, etc)

 

[Hag]

Where do Tyranids come from?

Who created the Tyranids?

Are they affected by the Chaos Gods at all?

According to old 90s fluff the Tyranids come from another galaxy that they have already consumed. They are on an never-ending quest for genetic material to use, and have arrived to 40k galaxy to carry on their feast. Their hivemind is akin an overpowered psyker force (a "shadow" over the warp) that protects the Tyranids from Chaos influence and - as a side effect - hides the Astronomicon and disables human psyker communication.

IIRC (4th edition?), there have been some hints that the Tyranids are actually running away from something, although this has since been pretty much ignored/forgotten.

Plot advancement ? In my 40k ? One can dream.
I remember the last days of 3rd edition when they published the Eye of Terror update. It was all "chaos big time", "Imperium on the verge of collapse omg", the date of the event was even 9999M41. But as usual with GW, nothing happened.

 

[Tyranicon]

Where do Tyranids come from?

Who created the Tyranids?

Are they affected by the Chaos Gods at all?

According to old 90s fluff the Tyranids come from another galaxy that they have already consumed. They are on an never-ending quest for genetic material to use, and have arrived to 40k galaxy to carry on their feast. Their hivemind is akin an overpowered psyker force (a "shadow" over the warp) that protects the Tyranids from Chaos influence and - as a side effect - hides the Astronomicon and disables human psyker communication.

IIRC (4th edition?), there have been some hints that the Tyranids are actually running away from something, although this has since been pretty much ignored/forgotten.

Plot advancement ? In my 40k ? One can dream.

I mean, there is the new-ish stuff with Guilliman, although I'm sure opinion is pretty divided on how it's handled, and whether it's really just a ploy to sell new models.

Are model sales declining by a lot? That would explain the switch over to digital media like video games.

 

[baud]

Where do Tyranids come from?

Who created the Tyranids?

Are they affected by the Chaos Gods at all?

According to old 90s fluff the Tyranids come from another galaxy that they have already consumed. They are on an never-ending quest for genetic material to use, and have arrived to 40k galaxy to carry on their feast. Their hivemind is akin an overpowered psyker force (a "shadow" over the warp) that protects the Tyranids from Chaos influence and - as a side effect - hides the Astronomicon and disables human psyker communication.

IIRC (4th edition?), there have been some hints that the Tyranids are actually running away from something, although this has since been pretty much ignored/forgotten.

Plot advancement ? In my 40k ? One can dream.
I remember the last days of 3rd edition when they published the Eye of Terror update. It was all "chaos big time", "Imperium on the verge of collapse omg", the date of the event was even 9999M41. But as usual with GW, nothing happened.

I'm pretty sure the timeline of the current edition is 100 years into the 42th Millenium

Are model sales declining by a lot? That would explain the switch over to digital media like video games.

I think they've just realized they can also make money there, in addition to the miniatures; I was checking their 2020-2021 annual report and they are expanding their manufacturing, not something you do while sales are down

 

[Hag]

I'm pretty sure the timeline of the current edition is 100 years into the 42th Millenium

Damn, you're right.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/M42
Well, I stand corrected.

Browsing the lexicanum around I stumbled upon : "The Astronomican, unbeknownst to the Imperium, is what is drawing the Tyranid Hive Fleets to threaten the Galaxy and all of the Imperium" (From here).
I guess 4chan was right :

 

[Storyfag]

Are they affected by the Chaos Gods at all?

Tyranids were created by the Old Ones (allegedly). Or at least one of their experiments eventually became the Tyranids over time (allegedly).

I thought the Hive Mind was extragalactic at this point, i.e. the idea behind them is a hungry swarm that hailed from another galaxy entirely. Allegedly, they saw the Milky Way in 30K during the Second Imperium incident with some ancient golden throne prototype tech going haywire. That's how it's retconned anyway. And Sautek the Silent King, of all people, saw them coming during his exile and rushed back to the galaxy to warn everyone.

Apparently, Necrons want the Imperium to beat back Chaos and the nids because they will need warm bodies for their eventual plan to bio-transfer their consciousness back to flesh bodies.

I wish the space Tomb Kings were as cool as the Fantasy ones. I also wish that GW didn't get rid of the Tomb Kings.

The fantasy TK were always mere fodder for Nagash the Great.

 

[baud]

Are model sales declining by a lot? That would explain the switch over to digital media like video games.

I think they've just realized they can also make money there, in addition to the miniatures; I was checking their 2020-2021 annual report and they are expanding their manufacturing, not something you do while sales are down

Also if I read the report right, it seems that the royalties (so the money coming from video games, though it would also include derived products like funko pops, bandai-made large figures, branded apparel, accessories, board games (those not made in-house like Cursed City, but rather like 40k Risk or Monopoly) and maybe the RPG licenses to Cubicle 7) earned them 16 M£, so only a little above 10% of their (pre-tax) total profits.

Though they're not humble about it:

We believe our IP to be among the best in the world.

Also I'm surprised that more than half of their sales is via independent retailers, called Trade Segment in the report (55%, with their online store at 25% (and growing) and their own stores at 20%). Edit 1: it seems like Trade Segment also includes sales from Black Library, but it's unclear if that means all BL books or just the books sold directly by BL. Edit 2: Though the BL part is like 1% of the revenues of the segment.

Their gross margin is surprising high for a business selling mostly physical products:

Gross margin improved in the year (2021: 72.7%; 2020: 67.0%).

 

[Storyfag]

Is there any relation between Old Ones in 40k and lizardmen in Warhammer?

Yes because the Old Ones are also in Warhammer. The Lizardmen claim they are the descendants of the Old Ones.

GW has repeatedly stated that AoS and W40K are totally separate universes. They're not linked, at least not in canon lore.

AoS is fake and ghey.

 

[Kalarion]

Are model sales declining by a lot? That would explain the switch over to digital media like video games.

I think they've just realized they can also make money there, in addition to the miniatures; I was checking their 2020-2021 annual report and they are expanding their manufacturing, not something you do while sales are down

Also if I read the report right, it seems that the royalties (so the money coming from video games, though it would also include derived products like funko pops, bandai-made large figures, branded apparel, accessories, board games (those not made in-house like Cursed City, but rather like 40k Risk or Monopoly) and maybe the RPG licenses to Cubicle 7) earned them 16 M£, so only a little above 10% of their (pre-tax) total profits.

Though they're not humble about it:

We believe our IP to be among the best in the world.

Also I'm surprised that more than half of their sales is via independent retailers, called Trade Segment in the report (55%, with their online store at 25% (and growing) and their own stores at 20%). Edit 1: it seems like independent retailer also includes sales from Black Library, but it's unclear if that means all BL books or just the books sold directly by BL. Edit 2: Though the BL part is like 1% of the revenues of the segment.

Their gross margin is surprising high for a bussiness selling mostly physical products:

Gross margin improved in the year (2021: 72.7%; 2020: 67.0%).

One of the few things I consistently enjoyed seeing in the ~3 years I read /r/40klore was their analysis of GW's annual reports and quarterly earnings calls. It was fascinating stuff (and very illuminating as to why their business priorities are the way they are). This year's report, by the by, showed their model business has been going gangbusters since 2019. They're opening up new factories (including two in the US) to produce models. Unfortunately this was the first year they reported on their ESG. Signs of the times I guess.

 

[Tyranicon]

Are model sales declining by a lot? That would explain the switch over to digital media like video games.

I think they've just realized they can also make money there, in addition to the miniatures; I was checking their 2020-2021 annual report and they are expanding their manufacturing, not something you do while sales are down

Also if I read the report right, it seems that the royalties (so the money coming from video games, though it would also include derived products like funko pops, bandai-made large figures, branded apparel, accessories, board games (those not made in-house like Cursed City, but rather like 40k Risk or Monopoly) and maybe the RPG licenses to Cubicle 7) earned them 16 M£, so only a little above 10% of their (pre-tax) total profits.

Though they're not humble about it:

We believe our IP to be among the best in the world.

Hmm, I'm somewhat surprised by the low royalties number. I didn't imagine the miniature business to be thriving as much as it is, but who knows.

I would agree that the Warhammer setting, both OG Fantasy and 40k, are among the best IPs. But this is probably despite modern GW's efforts.

 

[baud]

Are model sales declining by a lot? That would explain the switch over to digital media like video games.

I think they've just realized they can also make money there, in addition to the miniatures; I was checking their 2020-2021 annual report and they are expanding their manufacturing, not something you do while sales are down

Also if I read the report right, it seems that the royalties (so the money coming from video games, though it would also include derived products like funko pops, bandai-made large figures, branded apparel, accessories, board games (those not made in-house like Cursed City, but rather like 40k Risk or Monopoly) and maybe the RPG licenses to Cubicle 7) earned them 16 M£, so only a little above 10% of their (pre-tax) total profits.

Though they're not humble about it:

We believe our IP to be among the best in the world.

Hmm, I'm somewhat surprised by the low royalties number. I didn't imagine the miniature business to be thriving as much as it is, but who knows.

To be fair there hasn't been a major video game release in the period covered by the report

Whilst recognised income is down due to lower levels of deals with high minimum guarantees compared to the prior year, actual sales of licensed products at retail value was the highest ever this year. In other words more customers bought more Warhammer licensed products than ever - in excess of £133 million worth.

So it seems that their royalties are around 12%, but that might depends on particular contracts.

But then I checked older reports, from 2016 to 2019 (to get the release windows of TW 2 and Vermintide 2) and it's even lower:

• 2016 5 M£
• 2017 7 M£
• 2018 9 M£
• 2019 11 M£
• 2020 16 M£

So maybe royalties payments are spread over a long time, they sold a lot of games this year (which ones?) or I don't get it. There's even this quote: `Currently, the majority of this income [Licensing] is generated by computer games`. Maybe I should go and check those 40klore threads

 

[Lyric Suite]

3D printers are going to murder them lmao.

 

[vonAchdorf]

3D printers are going to murder them lmao.

3D printers have been a thing for a while and their revenues are through the roof.
During the lockdown year, their revenues jumped from 270 to 350 million GBP. Their stock price rose 2000% in the last 5 years. Their current dividend is nearly half the stock price of 2016. If you had bought your shares then, you would have a yield on cost of nearly 50%.

 

[Tyranicon]

3D printers are going to murder them lmao.

In a few years maybe. We're still not at the point were making quality miniatures are cost-effective with a 3D printer without a lot of manual work.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

3D printers are going to murder them lmao.

Anyone in the west who tries to sell WH40k miniatures they printed themselves will get hit with copyright suits.
Chinese ones will continue to be complete garbage not worth the pennies you spent on them.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

3D printers are going to murder them lmao.

In a few years maybe. We're still not at the point were making quality miniatures are cost-effective with a 3D printer without a lot of manual work.

We even have a humorous codex thread exactly about this topic
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-about-to-ruin-games-workshop-forever.130663/

Looks like a bunch of bargain bin chinese crap

 

[dacencora]

Mayb

3D printers are going to murder them lmao.

In a few years maybe. We're still not at the point were making quality miniatures are cost-effective with a 3D printer without a lot of manual work.

We even have a humorous codex thread exactly about this topic
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-about-to-ruin-games-workshop-forever.130663/

Looks like a bunch of bargain bin chinese crap

Tbh, some of the plastic models look pretty decent, but the best minis GW ever made were the metal ones. Classic Eldar (especially Striking Scorpions) >>>> anime Aeldari

 

[Tyranicon]

3D printers are going to murder them lmao.

In a few years maybe. We're still not at the point were making quality miniatures are cost-effective with a 3D printer without a lot of manual work.

We even have a humorous codex thread exactly about this topic
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-about-to-ruin-games-workshop-forever.130663/

Looks like a bunch of bargain bin chinese crap

Based on the video thumbnail, I thought you sent me to some really niche porn.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

I read that excerpt of Honsou and Perturabo playing wargames together. I thought it was pretty good actually. Perturabo definitely calmed down a good bit from his more spiteful days, and seemed more introspective than previously, behaving like a teacher. Also kicking Honsou's ass in every game save for one. Looked like the Daemon Primarch definitely learned lessons from his younger days. He seems less... hateful and vindictive than previously. Maybe it's due to the 10k years on his own, away from his brothers and the Emperor.

 

[dacencora]

I read that excerpt of Honsou and Perturabo playing wargames together. I thought it was pretty good actually. Perturabo definitely calmed down a good bit from his more spiteful days, and seemed more introspective than previously, behaving like a teacher. Also kicking Honsou's ass in every game save for one. Looked like the Daemon Primarch definitely learned lessons from his younger days. He seems less... hateful and vindictive than previously. Maybe it's due to the 10k years on his own, away from his brothers and the Emperor.

I know it's cheesy but I like it when they have the characters playing wargames.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news...workshop-headquarters-nottingham-shut-6249044

Games Workshop headquarters in Nottingham shut 'until further notice' due to major sewage collapse

Games Workshop's Nottingham headquarters in Lenton is closed 'until further notice' after a major sewage collapse.

The company which produces Warhammer products at its Nottingham factory and offices site, confirmed its headquarters and Warhammer World building in Willow Road is shut after the collapse yesterday morning (Monday, November 22).

The incident meant the road had to be completely closed off, resulting in the closure of the popular store.

Work is currently ongoing to tackle the problem.

In a statement issued on its Facebook page yesterday, Games Workshop: Warhammer World said: "Due to unforeseen circumstances Warhammer World will be closed until further notice.

"We have had a burst water main on the corner of Willow Road and Lenton Lane and the council have completely closed Willow Road which allows no access.

"We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause and will continue to update you here as soon as we are able to reopen."

In an update today, it added: "Please note Warhammer World remains closed until further notice."

A Highways alert issued by Nottingham City Council confirmed Willow Road had been closed at the junction with Lenton Lane, as well as the area of Lenton Lane outside the sewage pumping station, Nottingham.

Producing so much shit and flushing their heritage down the drain it backed up on the silly cunts.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I read that excerpt of Honsou and Perturabo playing wargames together. I thought it was pretty good actually. Perturabo definitely calmed down a good bit from his more spiteful days, and seemed more introspective than previously, behaving like a teacher. Also kicking Honsou's ass in every game save for one. Looked like the Daemon Primarch definitely learned lessons from his younger days. He seems less... hateful and vindictive than previously. Maybe it's due to the 10k years on his own, away from his brothers and the Emperor.

I know it's cheesy but I like it when they have the characters playing wargames.

Photos of the whole Warbreed story: https://imgur.com/a/si2wSZ6

 

[baud]

I read that excerpt of Honsou and Perturabo playing wargames together. I thought it was pretty good actually. Perturabo definitely calmed down a good bit from his more spiteful days, and seemed more introspective than previously, behaving like a teacher. Also kicking Honsou's ass in every game save for one. Looked like the Daemon Primarch definitely learned lessons from his younger days. He seems less... hateful and vindictive than previously. Maybe it's due to the 10k years on his own, away from his brothers and the Emperor.

I know it's cheesy but I like it when they have the characters playing wargames.

Photos of the whole Warbreed story: https://imgur.com/a/si2wSZ6

really nice, thanks