Incline Warhammer 40,000 Lore Thread

[Haba]

Any guesses on who's next to return?

Jesus Christ.

 

[Caim]

So here's rules for grandpa smurf and gargamel for 10e:

Mathhammer says that (assuming the same To Wound chart of 9e, and that you have to pick one of your melee weapons) Guilliman deals an average of 5.18 wounds with the sword and a staggering 12.96 with the fist, while ze Schwarmfuhrer is stuck at an even 5. So yes, Guilliman will mulch the Swarmlord as revenge for what he did to Papa Smurf.

Just tarpit the dude and focus on ripping the rest of his army apart.

 

[NecroLord]

Any guesses on who's next to return?

Jesus Christ.

If only...

 

[Caim]

Heeeere's Abby!

While he's being touted as Guilliman's nemesis since 9e (they're even on the cover of the rulebook together!), it's not much of a fight. 2.22 wounds form the sword, 1.29 for the claw. Grandpa smurf meanwhile does 2.59 wounds with his giant fist and 6.48 with daddy's sword. Just use him as a beatstick for lesser units and you should be fine. He can half squads of MEQs by swinging his sword, and the claw's good for anything with only one wound. But what's interesting to note is the Dark Destiny ability:

With a LD of 5+ (which is 9 in the current rules), you can turn Abby into a CP generating machine, which is very useful since you normally get only 1 point each turn (they stack, but still). LD 5+ means he's got a 1 in 6 chance to fail, so there's a good chance you'll get something nice out of it. Just don't use this when he's at low wounds, because it just might kill your warlord.

 

[Tyranicon]

40k is so mainstream now. WTF is this crossover lol?

 

[Caim]

Well, some of the tanks in both settings have a Browning M2 bolted on...

 

[NecroLord]

Is it time for the Armless Failure Failbaddon to fail yet again?

 

[Cryomancer]

Interesting dialog

In wh40k, write a debate between magnus the red and the god Emperor of mankind about the perils of the warp.

Magnus the Red: My lord, the warp is not something to be feared. It is a realm of power, of limitless potential. With the proper understanding and discipline, it can be harnessed to achieve great feats.

God Emperor of Mankind: Magnus, you know full well the dangers of the warp. It is a realm of chaos, of unpredictable entities and malevolent energies. One wrong step can lead to madness, corruption, or worse.

Magnus the Red: Yes, there are risks. But with the right training and mastery, those risks can be minimized. Think of what we could achieve if we were not so afraid of the warp. Our psykers could unleash their full potential, and we could unlock secrets and technologies that have been lost for millennia.

God Emperor of Mankind: And what of the cost? The price we pay for such power? The corruption, the mutation, the destruction of souls? Magnus, you have seen the consequences of your own arrogance, of your own overreliance on the warp. You shattered our alliance with the Space Wolves, you nearly destroyed our legion, and you left us vulnerable to the machinations of the ruinous powers.

Magnus the Red: My lord, I did what I thought was necessary. I reached out to you through the warp, to warn you of the Horus Heresy. I saw the danger and acted accordingly.

God Emperor of Mankind: And yet, your actions led to the very thing you sought to prevent. You brought the wrath of the warp upon us, and you shattered the wards that protected our galaxy from the predations of the chaos gods. You may have had good intentions, Magnus, but you were blinded by your own arrogance and hubris.

Magnus the Red: My lord, I do not deny my mistakes. But I also do not believe that we should fear the warp. We should embrace it, understand it, and use it to our advantage. The alternative is to remain stagnant, to limit ourselves, to cower in fear of the unknown.

God Emperor of Mankind: And what of the consequences? The lives that will be lost, the souls that will be damned, the worlds that will be destroyed? Magnus, you are my son, and I love you. But I cannot condone your reckless pursuit of power. The warp is not something to be trifled with. It is a force of nature, a primal energy that defies our understanding. We must respect it, but we must also be wary of its perils.

Magnus the Red: My lord, I understand your concerns. But I still believe that we can harness the power of the warp without succumbing to its dangers. I ask only that you give me a chance to prove myself, to show that I have learned from my mistakes and that I can be a valuable asset to the Imperium.

God Emperor of Mankind: Very well, Magnus. I will consider your proposal. But know this: the warp is not to be taken lightly. It is a perilous realm, full of traps and temptations. We must approach it with caution and wisdom, lest we be consumed by its chaos.

Seems like a dialog which could happen.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

40k is so mainstream now. WTF is this crossover lol?

They already had something similar for World of Warships.

 

[Rocket-Propelled Game]

Any idea how a Stormtrooper/Tempestus Scion could wind up assigned to a prison unit? Just wondering since it's a possibility with the Only War TTRPG.

Being the bodyguard for the Commissar keeping everyone in line seems like the most likely bet.

 

[Tyranicon]

Bruh, this shit's sentient:

 

[Rocket-Propelled Game]

Miniature giant space hamsters?

 

[Caim]

40k is so mainstream now. WTF is this crossover lol?

They already had something similar for World of Warships.

The only naval vessel I want to see in 40k is the Red Orktober, captained by Sean Connorky.

Bruh, this shit's sentient:

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This is some Text To Speech bullshit right here.

 

[lightbane]

Is it time for the Armless Failure Failbaddon to fail yet again?

Heh, I was about to say that.

Seems like a dialog which could happen.

Seems a dialogue quite civilized between the two, which is at odds with Horus Herpdesy's books, which paint the Emprah as a schizo psychopath who does things randomly because *mystery*, while Magnus is an arrogant ass, or at least that's what I read about, I never read these books and never will. Here these two seem to have an actual understanding of some sort. Even in TTS MAgnus was more whiny.

 

[NecroLord]

Miniature giant space hamsters?

Minsc as a Space Marine.
What Chapter though?
I have him figured for a Space Wolf, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Caim]

Seems a dialogue quite civilized between the two, which is at odds with Horus Herpdesy's books, which paint the Emprah as a schizo psychopath who does things randomly because *mystery*, while Magnus is an arrogant ass, or at least that's what I read about, I never read these books and never will. Here these two seem to have an actual understanding of some sort. Even in TTS MAgnus was more whiny.

The Emperor is an obtuse, secretive shitgoblin whose explanations land somewhere in between jack shit and fuck all while Magnus is an arrogant prodigy who never encountered true adversity and thinks he can handle the Warp. One of the tragedies of the Horus Herey is if the Emperor just sat down and talked with his sons about his plan and the nature of the Warp or just treated them like people he would have succeeded, but didn't because either his plan relied in keeping people in the dark (either as part of some massive keikaku doori moment, his plan would end with the destruction of the Astartes, or has been suggested that he has a very tight window of opportunity to make his plan work), or because he's so goddamn old he stopped being able to see people as people. Remember, the Emperor is about 38000 years old by the time of the Heresy, and he's from a culture so incredibly ancient historians refer to it by the stuff they didn't have (the early Pre-Pottery Neolithic B, which had a thing for decorating human skulls with plaster to use for decoration and ancestor worship, which might be where the Imperium's skull fetish comes from).

The thing is that the Emperor and Magnus were birds of a feather, it's just that when you get two people like that with mismatched opinions... well, you get shit like the breach on Terra.

 

[lightbane]

The Emperor is an obtuse, secretive shitgoblin whose explanations land somewhere in between jack shit and fuck all while Magnus is an arrogant prodigy who never encountered true adversity and thinks he can handle the Warp.

Lies and slander! The Emprah did nothing wrong! Other than perhaps not explaining things to his kids, for their own good. Writers after the 2nd ed. got into a pissing contest to check who could make the Emprah into an incoherent edgelord that despised religion but acted like one. Then there's that shitty story where the Emprah behaves like a textbook atheist-tard strawman. Magnus went from being a prodigy that was too curious for his own good, to an arrogant jackass that ignored everyone's warnings. Also, he tried to fight in melee against fucking Leman Russ.

ne of the tragedies of the Horus Hereys

Screw these tryhard books. Not only do they have shit like the Perpetuals, but IIRC also inane stuff such as that civilization that knew about the dangers of Chaos... And yet had a Chaos weapon exposed in a museum, not even protected or anything.

but didn't because either his plan relied in keeping people in the dark

That was probably the intent since Chaos is always watching.

estruction of the Astartes,

Or the Primarchs. Either way, the Emprah always thought to do the best for humanity. Once the galaxy was pacified, you wouldn't need Sphees Mahrines.

 

[NecroLord]

ADB is especially guilty of making the Emperor look like a spiteful retard.
The Emperor legitimately had humanity's best interests at heart, but his way of relating to humanity and humans was wrong.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Heeeere's Abby!

Low energy as always.
The meme of Abby being a sad tryhard out of his depth will continue.

 

[Shadenuat]

Vatanoids just Squashed like little people they are. Bs4 and markerlights sorry grudgemarkers, ima dying here
Guess they were wraithknight of 9th

 

[Fedora Master]

From what I heard the whole Vashtorr/Lion story was retarded. Then again, they've been shitting the bed with lore for a decade now.

 

[Tyranicon]

The HH books ruined the mystique of the Emperor. They just made him look like a complete retard dad, instead of the freakishly old, humanoid abomination that he is.

Writers fumble the ball a lot when it comes to writing immortal characters. That's because people just assume that immortals behave like regular humans, but just a little bit more jaded, smarter, whatever.

IMO, the Emperor is better characterized as a near-eldritch horror that outwardly is a messianic figure. He should be cloaked in several layers of mystery. We should have no idea what he was planning.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

A mysterious eldritch horror with a truly unknowable agenda would have been amazing.

Never have a POV or convo of someone in his presence that isn't a primarch. Make it more isolated in that way. Whenevr orders are issued to normies its thru his selected custodians. When his presence is made public, crazy warp shenanigans occur, and theres a palpable feeling of dread everywhere.

 

[NecroLord]

The HH books ruined the mystique of the Emperor. They just made him look like a complete retard dad, instead of the freakishly old, humanoid abomination that he is.

Writers fumble the ball a lot when it comes to writing immortal characters. That's because people just assume that immortals behave like regular humans, but just a little bit more jaded, smarter, whatever.

IMO, the Emperor is better characterized as a near-eldritch horror that outwardly is a messianic figure. He should be cloaked in several layers of mystery. We should have no idea what he was planning.

Hear, hear!
Also:
"The Emperor battles daily with forces beyond understanding, yet you expect him to retain a mortal sympathy? He walks the paths of eternity; be thankful he is able to converse with you at all."
Can't remember from what book this originates, but I guess it is from a short story.

 

[NecroLord]

The HH books ruined the mystique of the Emperor. They just made him look like a complete retard dad, instead of the freakishly old, humanoid abomination that he is.

Writers fumble the ball a lot when it comes to writing immortal characters. That's because people just assume that immortals behave like regular humans, but just a little bit more jaded, smarter, whatever.

IMO, the Emperor is better characterized as a near-eldritch horror that outwardly is a messianic figure. He should be cloaked in several layers of mystery. We should have no idea what he was planning.

Hear, hear!
Also:
"The Emperor battles daily with forces beyond understanding, yet you expect him to retain a mortal sympathy? He walks the paths of eternity; be thankful he is able to converse with you at all."
Can't remember from what book this originates, but I guess it is from a short story.

To further elaborate, that's Malcador's quote from a dialogue he had with Jaghatai about the nature of the Emperor and why was he so inscrutable. Still don't know the book though.