Warcraft III: Reforged - now with lowest user metacritic score of all time

[Lacrymas]

Yup... the "everything is colorful" rainbow world. It plagues art direction to this day

Ah how much some games accomplished with 2-3 colors...

When games used only 2-3 colors we complained it was all brown and drab.

 

[luj1]

We aren't referring to the same things. I mean games such as Wizardry 6 or Perihelion. You must mean something like Fallout 3.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

We aren't referring to the same things. I mean games such as Wizardry 6 or Perihelion. You must mean something like Fallout 3.

And Albion was pretty durned colourful but not to its detriment.

 

[luj1]

Generally I dislike games which don't opt for a color palette.

 

[Lacrymas]

I had some Chronicles of the Second War gameplay play in the background out of curiosity while doing other stuff and it isn't a straight-up remake of WC2, it has a bunch of stuff added, along with lengthy cinematics that are well done for a mod. I'm not ever going to buy Reforged to play it myself (especially since the focus on naval combat is still there), but if anyone is curious and has bought that abomination already it's worth giving it a try.

 

[Harthwain]

I'm not ever going to buy Reforged to play it myself (especially since the focus on naval combat is still there)

What "focus on naval combat" has to do with anything? Reforged is irredeemable shit entirely on its own and buying it should be considered a crime.

 

[Lacrymas]

I'm not ever going to buy Reforged to play it myself (especially since the focus on naval combat is still there)

What "focus on naval combat" has to do with anything? Reforged is irredeemable shit entirely on its own and buying it should be considered a crime.

I meant Chronicles of the Second War has a focus on naval combat because the underlying foundation is still WC2. But yeah, don't buy Reforged ever under any circumstances.

 

[Feyd Rautha]

Is it really naval focused or do you just mean that Warcraft 2 features naval combat. Is Red Alert also naval focused in that case? There's a lot of land maps in WC2 as well and on the maps featuring bodies of water the final battle will always be on land.

 

[Lacrymas]

The majority of WC2's and its expansion's campaign maps are heavily water-based, requiring a lot of tedious ferrying of troops around and building a fleet beforehand to destroy ships and shipyards.

 

[Storyfag]

And. That. Is. A. Good. Thing.

 

[NewFag]

The majority of WC2's and its expansion's campaign maps are heavily water-based, requiring a lot of tedious ferrying of troops around and building a fleet beforehand to destroy ships and shipyards.

I always thought the naval combat was pretty amusing. I can barely remember the campaign though. It was mostly just bring someone to a circle of power or wipe out your opponent. But I'm looking back with rose tinted glasses since WC2 was one of the first PC games I owned.

 

[Feyd Rautha]

The majority of WC2's and its expansion's campaign maps are heavily water-based

By looking on the maps online (not having played WC2 since the year 1999/2000) I would rather say that at most 50% are like that.

 

[Lacrymas]

By looking on the maps online (not having played WC2 since the year 1999/2000) I would rather say that at most 50% are like that.

The first 3 missions of both factions are the tutorial maps which end in like 10 minutes, so they don't count. It's universally acknowledged that the WC2 campaign suffers heavily from its naval focus.

 

[Average Manatee]

WC2 campaign maps are definitely heavily navy focused. You have to conquer your island and then spam dreadnaughts/battleships to clean up the seas and land your stuff (the dragons/gryphons unlock in the final few missions and can handle things there though). If you're looking at expansion its a lot less IIRC and obviously the multiplayer maps are usually land.

Just checked and past map 2 there's only 3 Orc and 3 Human missions that don't require building a navy. That's 9 out of 14 missions in each campaign including tutorial missions that require a navy. And one on each side is a mission with no base building so it doesn't really matter either.

Did they ever fix custom campaigns in Reforged? That was one of the things that was still broken even if you play in the non-raped mode because its the backend reforged engine that fucks it up.

 

[Lacrymas]

Did they ever fix custom campaigns in Reforged? That was one of the things that was still broken even if you play in the non-raped mode because its the backend reforged engine that fucks it up.

It depends on what was broken. Atm, it's possible to make a campaign and play through it normally (as attested by Chronicles of the Second War). There are quite a lot of bugs, though, but I'm not sure which are due to the campaign or the game itself.

 

[Average Manatee]

The big thing I recall was custom music being fucked and playing the wrong tracks. Also multiple campaigns couldn't communicate data between them, you had to manually fuck with files to get campaigns to load data from other campaigns whenever you transferred over.

 

[Average Manatee]

Tried chronicles of the second war but apparently it only supports reforged.

 

[Lacrymas]

Tried chronicles of the second war but apparently it only supports reforged.

Yeah, it has a bunch of custom/imported models (most of the models actually) that don't exist in the original. Which is unfortunate.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

The majority of WC2's and its expansion's campaign maps are heavily water-based, requiring a lot of tedious ferrying of troops around and building a fleet beforehand to destroy ships and shipyards.

Lmao what a weakling post.

 

[DoWhocares]

The majority of WC2's and its expansion's campaign maps are heavily water-based, requiring a lot of tedious ferrying of troops around and building a fleet beforehand to destroy ships and shipyards.

Lmao what a weakling post.

Far be it from me to agree with Lacrymas but he's right, you know. Ships are a net negative for WC2 no matter how you look at it. Especially frustrating is how ships fit in 6 units, but control groups contain 9. The one time where 69 is not nice.

 

[ind33d]

What was so important about Warcraft 3 that they had to go back and ruin it like Stalin photoshopping out his ex girlfriends?

 

[Lacrymas]

Warcraft 2 is still being played competitively online, there are vids uploaded regularly on YouTube, so you can easily see that the vast, vaaast majority of games are played on land maps. If navies were such a good addition, that wouldn't be the case.

 

[Average Manatee]

The majority of WC2's and its expansion's campaign maps are heavily water-based, requiring a lot of tedious ferrying of troops around and building a fleet beforehand to destroy ships and shipyards.

Lmao what a weakling post.

Naval combat is just boring. You spam the strongest ship that is unlocked and you really quickly win because the AI is not that aggressive about building up a navy. A group of 9 ships with a few replacements is all you need. Then in most maps your ships can pretty much pick apart the enemy bases and defenders without much danger so that your landing party easily wins.

 

[Lacrymas]

It's not only boring and tedious, it also essentially doubles the amount of time you spend on a mission for no reason.

 

[Average Manatee]

So I bit the bullet and decided to figure out how to get pre-reforged WC3 to play some custom campaigns. Ended up being easy, I thought I'd have to use some unpatch utility but you can actually just download it here. Enter in your 22 year old CD key and it works. Somehow my CD Keys.Doc file has survived all this time through all my PC upgrades. Sadly it means no grid layout but it makes things actually work so... yeah.

I have to say I think I'm a bit spoiled by Wanderers of Sorceria, even the few highest rated campaigns I've tried are far behind it in terms of gameplay, atmosphere, and writing. Plus it has an absolute ton of custom music, graphics, skills, races, etc. Any recommendations of very high quality polished campaigns you guys have?