Warcraft III: Reforged - now with lowest user metacritic score of all time

[Storyfag]

I guess if Warhammer is this brutal neo-nazi game it's only obvious that the opposite should exist as well, right? So it makes sense that WoW is turning into this lgbtq trans shit, right?

Warhammer Fantasy, of which Warcraft is the rip-off, doesn't really have a brutal neo-nazi vibe. Just fantasy Renaissance, with all that entails.

 

[Storyfag]

>16 minute intro cinematic to go over WoW lore canon

From what that guy has shown, it's more of the OG manual canon, rather than WoW canon.

 

[TedNugent]

That Warcraft 2 remake doesn't look too good.

Jesus Christ, just do yourselves a favor and play the original.

It might be old, and the UI is ancient, but it still has lots of charm and character that this is lacking. At least Blizzard had the presence of mind to make an authentic Diablo II remake, and even reforged at least doesn't do anything to the core gameplay or story arc. I might even be able to begrudgingly forgive them of the sin for taking oldschool Battlenet offline, raping clans, and basically shutting the OG game down because at least they are releasing balance patches for a 20 year old game. Mind you, I'm still not going to buy it, and definitely not for this mod.

I am a softy for WarIII for the countless hours of joy it brought me in my formative years, so I hope you all won't begrudge me for saying that the Warcraft franchise jumped the shark when WoW came out. Get that shit away from classic Warcraft.

 

[Morgoth]

You could say the decline already started with WarIII, although on a high note.

Cartoonish graphics, a story and characters tailored towards teenagers.... nah.

 

[Lacrymas]

Warcraft 2 suffers from most campaign maps requiring naval combat and ferrying troops around. There is nothing more boring than waiting for a fleet to be built and then painstakingly loading all your units on boats.

 

[Average Manatee]

WC2 is generally a pretty fast game and you don't need 200 units to win maps, like 9 battleships and 4 transports is enough most of the time.

 

[Hobknobling]

That Warcraft 2 remake doesn't look too good.

Jesus Christ, just do yourselves a favor and play the original.

It might be old, and the UI is ancient, but it still has lots of charm and character that this is lacking. At least Blizzard had the presence of mind to make an authentic Diablo II remake, and even reforged at least doesn't do anything to the core gameplay or story arc. I might even be able to begrudgingly forgive them of the sin for taking oldschool Battlenet offline, raping clans, and basically shutting the OG game down because at least they are releasing balance patches for a 20 year old game. Mind you, I'm still not going to buy it, and definitely not for this mod.

I am a softy for WarIII for the countless hours of joy it brought me in my formative years, so I hope you all won't begrudge me for saying that the Warcraft franchise jumped the shark when WoW came out. Get that shit away from classic Warcraft.

The reason for that is that it really wasn't done by Blizzard, it was done by Vicarious Visions which was absorbed into Blizzard as they were working on it. Vicarious Visions also did the recent remakes of Crash Bandicoot and Tony Hawk which were both very well received.

 

[Lacrymas]

But Vicarious Visions outsourced a lot of the graphical work to a company in some Asian country, afaik.

 

[Multidirectional]

Warcraft 2 suffers from most campaign maps requiring naval combat and ferrying troops around. There is nothing more boring than waiting for a fleet to be built and then painstakingly loading all your units on boats.

Base game of W3 was one of the very few RTS campaigns I bothered to finish, generally playing RTS single player bores the crap out of me. But then I started the expansion and here comes that tedious boat shit with loading/unloading units all the time so I quit it at beginning and never returned.

 

[Axel_am]

You could say the decline already started with WarIII, although on a high note.

You can also say Warcraft 3 is a gem that probably won't ever be replicated and you'd be more correct.
It had a lot of serious shit in it too.

 

[Faarbaute]

They should have remade the human campaign, if any.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

Strong Dungeon Keeper mobile abomination vibes.

what you now call "mobile aestethics" has always been world of warcraft's. blizzard unleashed this plague on the world.

 

[Harthwain]

I don't agree with it. It's part of public perception tho.

A few idiots don't make it "public perception". It's just a few idiots who spark a discussion, but that's different from it being a majority view.

Henry Cavill is severely overrated, most people just like him because he's both hot and somewhat of a nerd at the same time.

Eh, I will take someone who isn't afraid to show he's a nerd over someone who has no clue what he's involved in yet pretends he likes it. So far Cavill didn't give me a reason to think negatively of him, quite to the contrary.

Warcraft 2 suffers from most campaign maps requiring naval combat and ferrying troops around. There is nothing more boring than waiting for a fleet to be built and then painstakingly loading all your units on boats.

I liked it. Having a navy gave these missions "combined arms" feel and transporting troops was pretty easy (so much that I never was a problem for me). Unit selection limit was way bigger problem. Which became even more pronounced in Starcraft 1 as Starcraft 1 made the actual use of more numerous armies (especially in case of the Zerg, but Terran Marines + Tanks were also a very popular strategy). Warcraft 3 sort-of fixed it by making higher tier units much more powerful and way more unit cap-consuming (relative to Starcraft 1). As a result it was easier to control higher quality armies.

You can also say Warcraft 3 is a gem that probably won't ever be replicated and you'd be more correct.
It had a lot of serious shit in it too.

Yeah. Whatever else people want to say about Wacraft 3, it was still a game in which Blizzard was innovating and moving forward. World of Warcraft (released after that) was their last revolutionary game. Everything else after that was either a decline (Starcraft 2) or a remake (often a bad one).

 

[fantadomat]

They should have remade the human campaign, if any.

Yeah,blizzard were always anti human company that worship demons. In all of their games is the same hatred for humanity,it gets pretty old after the first game you play.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

World of Warcraft (released after that) was their last revolutionary game.

are you fucking nuts? wow introduced NOTHING new, it was the vanillaest, most cookie-cutter mmorpg ever. there was already stuff like anarchy online and its peculiar skill system, land conquest battles, already had instancing, free flight, extensive map, player city building, even random dungeons. all blizzard had was journos in their pocket ready to lie for them, saying "it sold 100m copies" when 99999999 were chink bot sweatshops or "it's their last revolutionary game" when it innovated absolutely zero.

 

[cvv]

World of Warcraft (released after that) was their last revolutionary game.

are you fucking nuts? wow introduced NOTHING new

Not sure if youngfags remember but throughout the 90s Blizzard was meme famous for stealing other devs' ideas. They burst onto the map after stealing Dune 2 gameplay so brazenly it got everyone laughing. Warcraft 1 was a shitty copypaste but to their credit they improved massively for the sequel and Starcraft BW is still the pinnacle of the genre.

Still, they've never done anything innovative, let alone revolutionary. Maybe except The Lost Vikings.

 

[Caim]

World of Warcraft (released after that) was their last revolutionary game.

are you fucking nuts? wow introduced NOTHING new, it was the vanillaest, most cookie-cutter mmorpg ever. there was already stuff like anarchy online and its peculiar skill system, land conquest battles, already had instancing, free flight, extensive map, player city building, even random dungeons. all blizzard had was journos in their pocket ready to lie for them, saying "it sold 100m copies" when 99999999 were chink bot sweatshops or "it's their last revolutionary game" when it innovated absolutely zero.

They innovated by making an MMO that got non-MMO players to play an MMO. Sure it's basic bitch babby mode compared to what was out at the time, but it became mainstream in a way that only games like Runescape can claim, and that's a can of worms on its own.

 

[Lacrymas]

Blizzard have never innovated, they've always been great refiners. Which is not bad or that unusual, technically Bach didn't do anything new either (except maybe 1 thing for which he isn't even that known).

 

[Harthwain]

are you fucking nuts? wow introduced NOTHING new, it was the vanillaest, most cookie-cutter mmorpg ever. there was already stuff like anarchy online and its peculiar skill system, land conquest battles, already had instancing, free flight, extensive map, player city building, even random dungeons. all blizzard had was journos in their pocket ready to lie for them, saying "it sold 100m copies" when 99999999 were chink bot sweatshops or "it's their last revolutionary game" when it innovated absolutely zero.

Revolutionary may be an inappropriate word. I meant they created a type of game that was different from the ones they were making up to that point, and the game was good enough to make it massively popular. "Having journos in their pocket ready to lie for them" wouldn't get them this far. All in all it WAS a peak for Blizzard and they were going downhill from there ever since.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

"Having journos in their pocket ready to lie for them" wouldn't get them this far.

oh my sweet summer child...

 

[luj1]

World of Warcraft (released after that) was their last revolutionary game.

are you fucking nuts? wow introduced NOTHING new

Wow took everything from EQ

and peppered with some stuff from Diablo 2 (which wasnt even made by blizzard)

 

[Don Peste]

Anybody had problems with dialogue lines constantly skipping?

 

[catfood]

Anybody had problems with dialogue lines constantly skipping?

It's not a bug it's a feature that was introduced at one point through one of the patches.

 

[Don Peste]

Ugh... What about HD models for Classic WC3? Any good releases?

 

[luj1]

Strong Dungeon Keeper mobile abomination vibes.

what you now call "mobile aestethics" has always been world of warcraft's. blizzard unleashed this plague on the world.

Yup... the "everything is colorful" rainbow world. It plagues art direction to this day

Ah how much some games accomplished with 2-3 colors...