Warcraft III: Reforged - now with lowest user metacritic score of all time

[Lacrymas]

Or should I just give Spellforce a try, even though that looks like it's a bit too much of an RPG to me?

It depends on which one we are talking about. Spellforce 1 doubles down on the RPG elements, while the other two have more RTS in them, but I don't recommend Spellforce 2. Either go for 1 or 3.

 

[Arbiter]

but I don't recommend Spellforce 3. Either go for 1 or 3.

Typo?

 

[Lacrymas]

but I don't recommend Spellforce 3. Either go for 1 or 3.

Typo?

Yeah, sorry, I don't recommend Spellforce 2. It's the worst of the bunch and extremely boring to me.

 

[Preben]

So I've never actually played Warcraft 3, and recently I've had a hankering for a fantasy RTS with no bullshit that's just straightforward base building -> unit training -> chucking them at the enemy, but as I keep looking around for something to scratch that itch I keep coming back to Warcraft 3. But from what I can find you can't get the old version anymore, or it's shackled to the Reforged clusterfuck. Are there ways around this, or would this require alternate "purchasing" methods? Or should I just give Spellforce a try, even though that looks like it's a bit too much of an RPG to me?

Not possible to get at this point legitimately. Even if you have the original discs, you're stuck on 1.0, which had a lot of issues with it. There's no way to actually get the most updated WC3 build without it autoupdating to Reforged without engaging in high seas fuckery.

Not to mention the fact that you don't get all the content with bare discs.
The orc campaign in the Frozen Throne was released in stages along with patches.

 

[Average Manatee]

It can't be that hard to arrr the latest non-reforged version, right? With how universally reviled reforged was I'd assume that there would be ample sources and signs pointing towards the non-reforged one.

 

[Olinser]

It can't be that hard to arrr the latest non-reforged version, right? With how universally reviled reforged was I'd assume that there would be ample sources and signs pointing towards the non-reforged one.

It's not hard as far as I understand.

What little competition there is at high levels uses the original graphics. A number of pro players straight up REFUSE to play in tournaments with the 'updated' graphics because they're such dogshit and it makes it significantly harder to actually tell what the fuck the units are DOING.

 

[catfood]

Blizzard fucked up the game even before Reforgery. The patches that they released prior to Reforgery added bugs to the Reign of Chaos campaigns. For example the audio cuts out during cutscenes and sometimes the hero's inventories disappear.

 

[catfood]

Step 1: Pirate the last non-reforged version.

The last non-reforgery version added the aforementioned bugs, but also added wide screen resolution support. It's up to the user to decide if he cares more about resolution or bugs in the ROC campaign, and gets the last version some some other prior to that.

 

[Olinser]

Step 1: Pirate the last non-reforged version.
Step 2: Get Eurobattlenet, tell Blizzard to suck dicks.
Step 3: Incline.

Blizzard fucked up the game even before Reforgery. The patches that they released prior to Reforgery added bugs to the Reign of Chaos campaigns. For example the audio cuts out during cutscenes and sometimes the hero's inventories disappear.

How can someone even be this incompetent like lmao.

I suggest collective suicide as a solution.

It's what happens when the people that made the game great are long gone, and the only ones left to 'update' it is a group of talentless woke hacks who have no fucking clue why the original was great.

For fucks sake they didn't even do the models themselves, which is why the model animations are so pants-on-head retardedly disconnected from the actual actions they're taking.

But hey guys, they got that female death knight and demon hunter models, so the project was GREAT SUCCESS!!!!

 

[Cyberarmy]

So I've never actually played Warcraft 3, and recently I've had a hankering for a fantasy RTS with no bullshit that's just straightforward base building -> unit training -> chucking them at the enemy, but as I keep looking around for something to scratch that itch I keep coming back to Warcraft 3. But from what I can find you can't get the old version anymore, or it's shackled to the Reforged clusterfuck. Are there ways around this, or would this require alternate "purchasing" methods? Or should I just give Spellforce a try, even though that looks like it's a bit too much of an RPG to me?

you can also try Armies of Exigo

 

[MajorMace]

Has any other game been disfigured and dismembered like Warcraft III before ?
Sometimes you get a shitty remaster, or a shitty port. These happen quite often, even. But has any publisher ever literally fucked up the whole game like Bliz did there ?
And i'm not talking about online games which eventually get bad because of continuous addition of content. I mean, a perfectly fine game, which plays perfectly fine, suddenly turning to rot for absolutely no good reason.

 

[Alienman]

you can also try Armies of Exigo

Yeah, that was a fun game. The aliens were cool.



It's abandoned ware too, so free.

https://www.myabandonware.com/game/armies-of-exigo-f3n

 

[Absinthe]

The latest patches will automatically update your WC3 into Reforged trash. You have to use a Battle.net substitute (PvPGN server - Eurobattle.net is really the only populated one) with the 1.28 patch to avoid being on Blizzard's latest cancer. If you purchase new downloads somewhere it will all be reforged trash on the latest patch. You'll either need old CD-ROMS or just have to pirate it if you want WC3 non-Reforged.

If you want the fantasy RTS experience you can try Warcraft 2 though. I don't think they reforged that one into the ground and the campaign is more fun. WC3 is for people who like sitting in custom maps all the time mostly. The RTS aspects in WC3 are fine, but somehow not as engaging.

 

[Preben]

Blizzard fucked up the game even before Reforgery. The patches that they released prior to Reforgery added bugs to the Reign of Chaos campaigns. For example the audio cuts out during cutscenes and sometimes the hero's inventories disappear.

Disappearing hero inventories is a known bug that came with the patch that merged W3 with Reforged client.

 

[visions]

So I've never actually played Warcraft 3, and recently I've had a hankering for a fantasy RTS with no bullshit that's just straightforward base building -> unit training -> chucking them at the enemy, but as I keep looking around for something to scratch that itch I keep coming back to Warcraft 3. But from what I can find you can't get the old version anymore, or it's shackled to the Reforged clusterfuck. Are there ways around this, or would this require alternate "purchasing" methods? Or should I just give Spellforce a try, even though that looks like it's a bit too much of an RPG to me?

You can also try Warlords Battlecry 2 or 3 (both are available on GOG). They're fantasy RTS-s with heroes and a lot of different fantasy races. They're not particularly well balanced though afaik. But if you just want to fuck around with fantasy armies in single player, they might be what you're looking for.

The campaign in 2 is Risk-like, you can play as any of the races and you have a map and can attack provinces there that are adjacent to the provinces you already own. Conquering another race's capital let's you use that race too in the campaign. The AI factions also conquer provinces on the map and can attack your provinces. Iirc the story was non-existent. The campaign in WBC 3 seems to still have an open map but also has a a bit more story. WBC 3 also has some extra armies, but it mostly seems pretty similar to WBC 2. I mostly played WBC2 myself though. Also from what little that I've played, WBC 1 seems more generic with a more typical linear campaign, so I guess you can skip that one.

As far as RTS vs RPG goes, they're firmly on the RTS side of things. You have a persistent hero that you can use and develop both in campaigns and single matches but that's pretty much it. Also your hero gets a small retinue of units that you can carry from scenario to scenario, until they (the units) die. When your hero dies, you lose the map that you were playing but iirc there weren't any longer term consequnces for that.

I had a lot of fun with WBC 2 in the 00's, tho that was quite long ago and my memories of the game are far from fresh. But from the little that I played it, it seems that WBC 3 might be the best place to start, since it seems to be mostly the same as WBC 2 but with a few more armies and some story in the campaign.

 

[Caim]

So Warcraft 3 is a mess and I'd need a very exact version for it to not be shit, got it.

Armies of Exigo

Gonna have to look that one up.

Warlords Battlecry 2 or 3

Found those, they're also on sale on GOG right now for a few bucks for the trilogy. There's also the regular Warlords I + II and III, but those look a bit less advanced.

 

[Blutwurstritter]

So Warcraft 3 is a mess and I'd need a very exact version for it to not be shit, got it.

Armies of Exigo

Gonna have to look that one up.

Warlords Battlecry 2 or 3

Found those, they're also on sale on GOG right now for a few bucks for the trilogy. There's also the regular Warlords I + II and III, but those look a bit less advanced.

As mentioned by Cyberarmy, Armies of Exigo is probably the best pick. But if you just want to throw mindless amounts of units against your enemies in a fantasy setting you could also check out Total Annihilation: Kingdoms.

 

[visions]

Found those, they're also on sale on GOG right now for a few bucks for the trilogy. There's also the regular Warlords I + II and III, but those look a bit less advanced.

Regular Warlords are turn based.

 

[Lagi]

warlords battlecry 4 is very nice, free, rts
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-protectors/downloads

i downloaded Protectors few days ago, works without problem on win10

levelling up hero is very fun, the tactical options are not as developed as in warcraft3 though. Its rather make million (click loop in barracks) of units and waypoint them to combat - Total Annihilation style a little.

Starting hint: your hero need to capture the resource points (ctrl + C. press R to check hero radius), then send workers into each mining points to increase income.

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I can not run Armies of Exigo. I like this game a lot.

i played it a lot back then. Very nice game, should be a hit, if it get better balanced (late game take too much attention just to spend your resources, upgrades are too cheap and research are done too quick). I was trying to alter some stats in game map editor, but lots of staff is hardcoded or change dont work.

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i know its not RTS, but Kingdom Rush scratch that itch of fantasy rts for me.

 

[Jigby]

Last time I played it with 1.31.1 and it was all fine. The pre-1.29 pre-widescreen I'd find difficult to play. Don't overthink it.

 

[catfood]

Last time I played it with 1.31.1 and it was all fine. The pre-1.29 pre-widescreen I'd find difficult to play. Don't overthink it.

Skirmish AI in 1.31.1

 

[Jigby]

Is there something specific I have to do to trigger the behavior? I tried Lost Temple and skirmish worked fine https://streamable.com/sxp2v8
Or is it Synergy specific?

Edit: Synergy https://streamable.com/q5nueb. It's kind of retarded because of the close spawn, I guess the proper way to compare would be to install 1.27. Synergy on 1.27b -> https://streamable.com/gexkku. When playing as orc instead of undead the AI is more aggressive and immediately attacks with the acolytes. I got roughly the same behaviour in PTR, the AI is just retarded and can't handle close spawn properly.

 

[Garyxeao88]

To be honest, WotLK Classic is the perfect nostalgia trip, I love it.

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[whydoibother]

To be honest, WotLK Classic is the perfect nostalgia trip, I love it.

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Imagine being nostalgic for the beginning of the end.

 

[Feyd Rautha]

Warcraft peaked with 2.