Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Spark Mandriller]

what ever happened to infusion? last dev blog was in February.

https://stygiansoftware.com/infusion/index.html
Infusion has its own log page.

 

[Twiglard]

What's the best SMG combo for high DEX spec ops/grenadier/hit'n run build now, since now the smart modules don't work on bursts?

7.62 jaguar + 8.6 steel cat, both with rapid reloaders and muzzle breaks? Plus something 5mm one for silent kills?

Few years ago while discussing SMGs I remember no love for Impalas, not sure why, even though since AP cost is very similar, plus it has higher crit chance.

Pretty much. An energy knife helps too since you're presumably using Versatiity.

 

[Sykar]

Versatilty makes SMG actually fun, especially if you get something like Cutthroat feat just for the lulz of watching helplessly stunned fools bleeding out.

 

[Jason Liang]

I found Laser Pistols much better than smgs for Versatility though.

 

[Yosharian]

I found Laser Pistols much better than smgs for Versatility though.

Really? I find that hard to believe. What feats do you get?

 

[Jason Liang]

I found Laser Pistols much better than smgs for Versatility though.

Really? I find that hard to believe. What feats do you get?

Ambush mainly.

 

[lukaszek]

I found Laser Pistols much better than smgs for Versatility though.

Really? I find that hard to believe. What feats do you get?

Ambush mainly.

lazor pistols work really well with knives(as in attributes and feat wise), you can use both and its amazing how stronger you are by being... well... versatile

 

[Yosharian]

Yes but what makes them specifically better than SMGs? Because you can use Ambush with SMGs, too

 

[lukaszek]

Yes but what makes them specifically better than SMGs? Because you can use Ambush with SMGs, too

energy is hard to resist for one

 

[Sykar]

The biggest problem for SMG ambush is the range. Staying out of the light while maintaining reasonable burst hit chance is not easy.

 

[Piotrovitz]

Sooo. doing my second run on Hard after couple of years, again pure SMG/stealth/granades. no psi (I'm a lazy fucker, should've try shotgun or pistol build, but the SMG hit-n-run glass cannon build is so fun).

I see that since Expedition and multiple patches things changed a bit. Was thinking that since smart modules don't have effect on bursts, SMGs will suck now, but they don't. I got lucky and got Steel Cat 105 frame just before cleaning the depot in Junkyard and been rolling with this ever since - seems muzzle break and rapid reloader are the way to go. I like the idea of refurbishing uniques - now instead of running with some randomly crafted Jag with silencer, I'm rolling with Mini Izu, for which refurbishment adds not only a rapid reloader, but also bumps up the dmg, so now it's viable option and I can finally fool around with shock bullets. I want to refurbish K&H/NF R90/Tommy Gun, though even I'm lvl 20 right now, I still cannot find 110+ SMG frames that are required. If the refurbishment turns them into viable options now (though probably still worse than crafted weaps), then I'm going to roll only with uniques for the flavor, since as said - the game is too easy on Hard, and for Dominating it requires metagaming/planning your build/investing in psi/etc, and I'm not really into that. If I live long enough for another playthrough, it will be a pure pistol or shotgun one and also on Hard. I don't want to play tough guy here and downgrade Hard diff too much - for glass cannon no-psi SMG every fight is about positioning. Once I let mob with melee weapon get close and start cutting me, it's game over. Definitely not a build for iron man runs.

Since expedition/patches/nerfs I see that there's been some rebalancing done, which is good, but I am wondering what is the target difficulty for this optimal balance?

Biology is still kinda useless - before I even started investing in it for focus stims, I was drowning in advanced health hypos/adrenaline/morphine, which is basically all you need (adrenaline mostly for the glass cannon). Healing hypos aside, I think every other drug should be craftable/loot only + the investment into biology to craft e.g. adrenaline or focus stims should be way higher, so you actually get the satisfaction from this reaching certain threshold there. Perhaps it's nerfed on Dominating, but on Hard there're so many vendors selling adrenaline and morphine that you could literally pop them before every fight.

Crafted tactical vests are still useless and I'm using the galvanic overcoat that some lunatic dropped dozens of hours ago. Now when I got 130+ laminated panel + kevlar cloth and ~100 sturdy vest, it turns out I can craft the overcoat with almost the same parameters as the looted one, with only difference being the vest type I can choose. Seem the infused leathers are still the way to go - only this time instead of siphoneer one, I'll craft one from doggo leather, since I'm going for high crit build.

Last time I haven't put a single point into mercantile, and this time I invested >80, just to see if the extra stocks are worth it. They're not, it's mostly the same crap that the vendor is already selling, only in higher volumes - no higher quality frames, no higher tier grenades etc, nothing new. The only plus is Kevin in Foundry, since once the check is passed, he sells shitloads of W2C ammo, instead of 5-10 bullets like other vendors.

I'm just before the Tchort Institute and am going to start Expedition content - have I fucked up waiting too long and going there on lvl 20?

Just a couple of loose observations after returning to the game after 4-5 years.

 

[notpl]

I agree that Mercantile is overrated, but "nothing new" definitely was not my experience. The special stock at any given vendor generally included higher tier grenades than were available previously, crafting materials that were otherwise entirely absent, rare drugs, etc.

 

[Piotrovitz]

Want to finish the Gauntlet before I go to Expedition areas - forgot how fucked up and irritating that was. holy fuck.

Btw where is Otto - the guy from the Core City docks with expedition staff, that gives you the quest to kill the jet eater.

Quest notes say to meet him at cave entrance in the northwest section of the city. I've looked up on the net where this is, and found only some 1-2 threads on this, with answer that he should be waiting in the western part of the docks (the part of docks with the elevator I assume), but he's nowhere to be found.

 

[LJ40]

Want to finish the Gauntlet before I go to Expedition areas - forgot how fucked up and irritating that was. holy fuck.

Btw where is Otto - the guy from the Core City docks with expedition staff, that gives you the quest to kill the jet eater.

Quest notes say to meet him at cave entrance in the northwest section of the city. I've looked up on the net where this is, and found only some 1-2 threads on this, with answer that he should be waiting in the western part of the docks (the part of docks with the elevator I assume), but he's nowhere to be found.

If you already talked to Otto and accepted the quest I think he's to the west of the Core City docks waiting on his jet-ski.

 

[motherfucker]

The biggest problem for SMG ambush is the range. Staying out of the light while maintaining reasonable burst hit chance is not easy.

If I can do it with chem pistols, you can do it with SMGs, stop whining

 

[Piotrovitz]

If you already talked to Otto and accepted the quest I think he's to the west of the Core City docks waiting on his jet-ski.

Yeah, I've accepted the quest, it's in my quest log to meet him at the northwest docks. Problem is he's nowhere around - assuming we are talking about the main docks screen with the elevator and the ferry. No one on jet ski there.

 

[LJ40]

If you already talked to Otto and accepted the quest I think he's to the west of the Core City docks waiting on his jet-ski.

Yeah, I've accepted the quest, it's in my quest log to meet him at the northwest docks. Problem is he's nowhere around - assuming we are talking about the main docks screen with the elevator and the ferry. No one on jet ski there.

It's outside Core City, further to the west.

 

[Piotrovitz]

On which level of general map is he - upper caves?

Main entrance to City is from lower passages and it goes straight to the docks - how one goes west from there?

 

[LJ40]

You need a jet ski for it. Its west of Core City from the dock screen on the water.

Edit - https://steamcommunity.com/app/250520/discussions/0/5188663423658549563/

 

[Piotrovitz]

Thanks buddy!
I was missing the piece that this location is accessible only on jet ski and was searching the guy on the docks' pier, thinking my game is bugged.

Btw does anyone else experienced stuttering and huge drop in FPS in any of Expedition areas, including the added docks in Core City?
Sometimes it's so heavy, the game is literally unplayable.

My comp should handle this easily - can the lack of SSD be the culprit here? I see no other options.

 

[lukaszek]

can the lack of SSD be the culprit here?

what year is it?

 

[barricade]

My comp should handle this easily - can the lack of SSD be the culprit here? I see no other options.

you should try lowering resolution

 

[Piotrovitz]

can the lack of SSD be the culprit here?

what year is it?

Since I rarely play anything, and if, it's the oldies from GOG, there was never really a need to buy one - so just Win could boot faster or Firefox would open half a second quicker? That, plus the fact that I'm lazy and if something working fine, then why fix/upgrade it.

Someday I will eventually want to try Deadfire/Pathfinders, which are unplayable without SSD due to loading times (at least Deadfire), I will pull my lazy ass and switch to SSD anyway, but right now I am just surprised that game like Underrail, where so far I had zero problems with performance, where loading times took a blink of an eye, now suddenly everything takes such a huge hit. This is very baffling and I was wondering if I'm the only one having this.

 

[Sykar]

My decade old 1 TB SATA HD is doing well!

 

[Piotrovitz]

That's why I wanted to check if anyone else is having same problems - UR has never struck me as a game that would require SSD in order not to smash the laptop during loading times/stuttering.

I've deleted shitloads of autosaves (arena/gauntlet/etc) from my previous playthrough and somehow it helped - everything is smooth as in main game, hope it stays that way.