Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Pre-Release Thread [ALPHA RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Delterius]

I think its the damn opposite of progressive when women are no different than men - if a female protagonist isn't who she is as a woman, with all the traits her gender implies, she's a man. And that's exactly what a strong female protagonist is in video games, a man with a vagina.

The really obvious flaw of your perspective is that it assumes "male" is the default. Oh shit, somebody didn't go to college.

You had to go to college to realize that's how the real world works? Oh my.

As far as video games go, moreso RPGs, female protagonists are the new perspective. Males are the 'default'. People often celebrate the 'strong female lead' as a fresh story, but most will cringe at any differentiation between that female lead and the usual male - as if gender equality is retarded.

That simply depends on how much filler combat there is.

Yeah, but generally, I'm just saying that isn't it kinda silly to talk about how men and women in games are the same when these games don't even convey the reality of life of vast majority of males in developed/developing countries?

Is it? Even if the world is High Fantasy and you're bound to run across a Gauntlets of Ogre Strenght at some point, I think its much more interesting when a gnome of 7 strenght or a woman of 12 wears it than when either comes with 18/00 from the get-go.
But your point is true. No game will ever convey the reality of people. Games at best can be realistic, at which point the developer/retarded fandom is selective about whats 'important' to simulate or not.

 

[suejak]

I think its the damn opposite of progressive when women are no different than men - if a female protagonist isn't who she is as a woman, with all the traits her gender implies, she's a man. And that's exactly what a strong female protagonist is in video games, a man with a vagina.

The really obvious flaw of your perspective is that it assumes "male" is the default. Oh shit, somebody didn't go to college.

You had to go to college to realize that's how the real world works? Oh my.

As far as video games go, moreso RPGs, female protagonists are the new perspective. Males are the 'default'. People often celebrate the 'strong female lead' as a fresh story, but most will cringe at any differentiation between that female lead and the usual male - as if gender equality is retarded.

See, the problem is you don't even know what I'm referencing. It's like you completely failed to experience the world in which people talk about these things on a daily basis.

I don't know what you mean by "female protagonists are the new perspective." Games -- yes, even RPGs -- have had female leads since video games were invented. Male protagonists being in the majority doesn't make female protagonists "new". Moreover, males aren't the "default" either; they've just been the most common.

I haven't read any proper theory on this topic, but it's really obvious that what you're saying is extremely androcentric and bad. Things in the world do not define themselves relative to "males"; and when they do, there's no real good reason for it.

 

[Delterius]

I haven't read any proper theory on this topic, but it's really obvious that what you're saying is extremely androcentric and bad. Things in the world do not define themselves relative to "males"; and when they do, there's no real good reason for it.

That second post turned out pretty retarded. I should have agreed with you earlier.

Going as far as to treat gender in a binary fashion, I'd say that each is defined by the other. So yes, if women and men have similar experiences, dialogue and mechanics, then women are men with a vagina and men are women with a penis. Wether this perspective is androcentric or not depends on what specific facet of characterization we're talking about.

 

[Infinitron]

<jaesun>What is this thread about?</jaesun>

 

[Jaesun]

A newfag discussing shit with a shitposter. Another day on the dex.

 

[Delterius]

discussing shit . Another day on the dex.

Fix'd.

 

[CappenVarra]

What, a game in a post-singularity setting without the option to play as a mechanical lifeform, advanced bioconstruct or a body stealing AI? I am shocked.

 

[hoverdog]

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no thanks, I'll pass

 

[Jaesun]

You are missing nothing at all.

 

[Cool name]

Be whatever the hell you want but a game should not come with inherent penalties for female characters. They're not woman-playing simulators.

Actually they should, yes. Inherent penalties and inherent advantages. Even more so when you do speak of how the characters interact with you instead of about game mechanics. But it is very telling you do believe a 'woman-playing simulator' would have naught but 'inherent penalties for female characters.'

This woman does believe you are very amusing. Giggle.

 

[Harold]

-1 STR, +1 CON/ Arcanum did it right/ 2much feminist faggotry itt

 

[Achilles]

I seriously don't see a problem. How many Star Trek shows have there been without Captain Kirk in them?

True, but then again Picard is better than Kirk. So the new characters could prove to be even more interesting than the old ones.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

You had to go to college to realize that's how the real world works? Oh my.

As far as video games go, moreso RPGs, female protagonists are the new perspective. Males are the 'default'. People often celebrate the 'strong female lead' as a fresh story, but most will cringe at any differentiation between that female lead and the usual male - as if gender equality is retarded.

Actually, it's old since I don't know, Red Sonya? Especially in cRPGs games.

Is it? Even if the world is High Fantasy and you're bound to run across a Gauntlets of Ogre Strenght at some point, I think its much more interesting when a gnome of 7 strenght or a woman of 12 wears it than when either comes with 18/00 from the get-go.
But your point is true. No game will ever convey the reality of people. Games at best can be realistic, at which point the developer/retarded fandom is selective about whats 'important' to simulate or not.

They usually don't choose realism but utter retardation. Though it would be weird to for example make a realistic combat system and then not take sex differences in stats into account.

Actually they should, yes. Inherent penalties and inherent advantages. Even more so when you do speak of how the characters interact with you instead of about game mechanics. But it is very telling you do believe a 'woman-playing simulator' would have naught but 'inherent penalties for female characters.'

This woman does believe you are very amusing. Giggle.

What happened to her waist? Photoshop before photoshop? Degenerate fashion?

 

[FeelTheRads]

Forget that. Keep in mind that she likely didn't shave which makes her umm.. undegenerate.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

Forget that. Keep in mind that she likely didn't shave which makes her umm.. undegenerate.

Lack of one degeneracy doesn't cancel out other degeneracy. It's like saying that lack of five eyes cancels out crab claws.

To be Unclean
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Impure
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Abhorred
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Reviled
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Hunted
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Purged
That is the fate of the Mutant

To be Cleansed
For that is the fate of all Mutants

 

[Cool name]

What happened to her waist? Photoshop before photoshop? Degenerate fashion?

Corsets did happen. Do write this down under 'Degenerate fashion.'

And you do know fashion did go indeed too far when a proud fashion zombie fashionista is calling it degenerate.

 

[Irenaeus]

Forget that. Keep in mind that she likely didn't shave which makes her umm.. undegenerate.

Not all men prefer their women with children-like pub shaving.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I don't believe that.

Also stukarz is a closet degenerate who's into women with wooly legs.

 

[Infinitron]

Adam Heine is among us.

http://www.adamheine.com/search/label/Torment

 

[Irenaeus]

Adam Heine is among us.

http://www.adamheine.com/search/label/Torment

 

[FeelTheRads]

Hmm, I was under the impression that concept of The Bloom was made by Dana Knutson.

 

[Surf Solar]

Forget that. Keep in mind that she likely didn't shave which makes her umm.. undegenerate.

Lack of one degeneracy doesn't cancel out other degeneracy. It's like saying that lack of five eyes cancels out crab claws.

To be Unclean
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Impure
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Abhorred
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Reviled
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Hunted
That is the mark of the Mutant

To be Purged
That is the fate of the Mutant

To be Cleansed
For that is the fate of all Mutants

 

[hoverdog]

Adam Heine

 

[Gulnar]

Come on, i don't want to be a meatbag! Meatbags are... squishy. They have those things, inside, these are... disgusting. I want to be a robot! A non antrophomorphic one!

 

[Roguey]

Actually they should, yes. Inherent penalties and inherent advantages.

No. Life is unbalanced and unfair and game rules should be balanced and fair.

-1 STR, +1 CON/ Arcanum did it right/ 2much feminist faggotry itt

False. "Our average male humans can start off carrying 4000 stone, but alas our female humans can only carry 3500! But fret not dear reader, our average woman can recover from poison one point quicker and has a two more points of health and fatigue!"
Attributes are an abstraction and shouldn't be designed with realism in mind first, your idea of what is "right" is arbitrary.