People News Torment Kickstarter Update #49: Kevin Saunders leaves inXile, replaced by Chris Keenan

[you know what time it is]

Lol, if you think Obsidian bug problems are even remotely comparable to Troika shitfests, you obviously didn't play any of Troika games on release. Easy to be Captain Hindsight when you're playing games with 10 years worth of community patches.

Game industry is a collaborative effort. It matters fuck all whether you're Leonardo Da Vinci of game design, if you don't run a tight ship, your product is gonna suck donkey balls.

I'd take buggy over shit any day of the week, thanks.

 

[Morality Games]

Everyone calm the fuck down, most of the game's design documentation is done. Colin, Chris Avellone, and Adam Heine are still playing huge roles as well.

Don't raise pitchforks until you hear the full story.

... when and how are we going to get the full story?

 

[Zed]

MCA isn't playing a huge role in anything anymore, which is the big tragedy of him going rogue.

 

[Ismaul]

MCA isn't playing a huge role in anything anymore, which is the big tragedy of him going rogue.

He wasn't playing a huge role in anything since a long time anyways.


Maybe him going rogue is a chance for that to change, when he gets over it, whatever "it" is.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Good walking and talking simulators you mean. Anything that could be considered good about them has little to do with core systems for most.

Well, DS3 is not even a good Diablo clone. It's a very bad one, in fact.

 

[Lord Andre]

Letting Kevin go was a shit decision. It was obvious to everybody with a 3 digit IQ that he had 2 qualities that are almost impossible to find in today's game development world:

1. He was competent.
2. He gave a shit.

The game will be worse for his leaving, a fact that is undeniable no matter what pretty PR words are used. Undeniable. It doesn't even matter if it still winds up good. It will still be less than it could have been.

I don't know who at Inxile was responsible for this decision but their pettiness disgusts me. The very definition of mediocrity, to intentionally lower one's chance of making a product that stands the test of time just to save some money or meet a deadline. It's as if Achilles had chosen to stay out of the Trojan war for fear of his life.

R.I.P. Looking Glass, Troika and all companies that made a decision to give a shit to the very end.

 

[Roguey]

Well, DS3 is not even a good Diablo clone. It's a very bad one, in fact.

It's not a Diablo clone. Chapman said their inspirations were other action games, not Diablo.

 

[FeelTheRads]

lol yeah, sure. We totally didn't want to be like the most famous one, we wanted to be like the clones of clones.

Regardless, it's a very bad action game, no matter how the Diablo influence got to them.

 

[Volrath]

DS3 is not even a good Dungeon Siege game.

Just try to imagine that for a second.

 

[Darkzone]

Letting Kevin go was a shit decision. It was obvious to everybody with a 3 digit IQ that he had 2 qualities that are almost impossible to find in today's game development world:

1. He was competent.
2. He gave a shit.

The game will be worse for his leaving, a fact that is undeniable no matter what pretty PR words are used. Undeniable. It doesn't even matter if it still winds up good. It will still be less than it could have been.

Perhaps he has led a to loose regiment. It does not mean that i would have been better if it is i more, because sometimes less is more and more is less. If you design something you collect all the things together, that you think are good and useful and then you look for the things, that you can get rid of to make it lean.

I don't know who at Inxile was responsible for this decision but their pettiness disgusts me. The very definition of mediocrity, to intentionally lower one's chance of making a product that stands the test of time just to save some money or meet a deadline. It's as if Achilles had chosen to stay out of the Trojan war for fear of his life.
R.I.P. Looking Glass, Troika and all companies that made a decision to give a shit to the very end.

Don't give Fargo bad ideas. All this companies are dead because they gave a shit, and Fargo doesn't want to go this way... again.

 

[Infinitron]

"All right, we're just about done with the Wasteland 2 Director's Cut. Time to head over to the Torment division and see how they're doing."

...

"It's coming out WHEN?!"

 

[commie]

R.I.P. Looking Glass, Troika and all companies that made a decision to give a shit to the very end.

Troika? That company that made buggy, incomplete games to the end?

So what if everyone 'gave a shit' when Arcanum has dubious combat, TOEE has no content apart from Bugbears and Bloodlines was barely playable and took 10 years of fan patching by Wesp to make it the game it should have been. Sometimes dreamers just don't make good managers.

 

[Lord Andre]

Troika? That company that made buggy, incomplete games to the end?

The very same. Ironically also the company that made games that warranted more than a half-finished playthrough and gathered enough of a fan base to spawn unofficial patches and content modes for over a decade.

 

[SniperHF]

"All right, we're just about done with the Wasteland 2 Director's Cut. Time to head over to the Torment division and see how they're doing."

[looks at sales for the DC]

"It's coming out WHEN?!"

Not bad, added a bit though.

 

[Infinitron]

Not bad, added a bit though.

That would work if the DC hadn't come out after Kevin was taken off the job.

 

[Lurker King]

Oh, please. It is obvious that Kevin Saunders was fired because he is VD’s friend.

I'm having a very interesting discussion with Kevin Saunders about character systems and illusion (instead of the real deal) they often provide.

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[Roguey]

lol yeah, sure. We totally didn't want to be like the most famous one, we wanted to be like the clones of clones.

They didn't take inspiration from Diablo clones either.

I would provide quotes expect fucking Something Awful's archives database is down.

Regardless, it's a very bad action game, no matter how the Diablo influence got to them.

I disagree, I thought it was very demanding on hardcore (occasionally too demanding given my abilities), ran at a smooth 60 fps, had just a minor control issue (should have been an option to disable ranged attack autoaim on the PC, other than that, can't remember any problems), and a moderate camera issue (but so have other good action games, e.g. DMC 1 and 3).

 

[Lurker King]

R.I.P. Looking Glass, Troika and all companies that made a decision to give a shit to the very end and who will always be remembered for their classics.

Fixed for accuracy.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Can somebody message me when and if this thread returns to being of any interest rather than Roguey's Op Ed drive bys and Troika Talk?

 

[Irenaeus II]

I'm beginning to think the VD/ksaun connection played a role in this unfortunate termination and needs to be explored.

 

[Aenra]

..snip.. Looking Glass, Troika and all companies that made a decision to give a shit to the very end.

I may have misunderstood you, but what your tone implies..
Please tell me you didn't actually think Fargo gave a shit the way these guys did. Please tell me you didn't need something like this to occur before you re-evaluated.
Fargo, he cared about business first, its profits, the face needed to keep expanding, both in terms of player base and within the gaming sector. When the time came, he was happy to say FUCK YOU in an instant and go consoles. Because money, because "future of the business". In an instant. The people you mention gave a shit period. We could say they were younger and still not disillusioned. We could say they had to care, in a way Fargo could afford not to. Doesn't change the difference.

 

[Fairfax]

Letting Kevin go was a shit decision. It was obvious to everybody with a 3 digit IQ that he had 2 qualities that are almost impossible to find in today's game development world:

1. He was competent.
2. He gave a shit.

The game will be worse for his leaving, a fact that is undeniable no matter what pretty PR words are used. Undeniable. It doesn't even matter if it still winds up good. It will still be less than it could have been.

I don't know who at Inxile was responsible for this decision but their pettiness disgusts me. The very definition of mediocrity, to intentionally lower one's chance of making a product that stands the test of time just to save some money or meet a deadline. It's as if Achilles had chosen to stay out of the Trojan war for fear of his life.

R.I.P. Looking Glass, Troika and all companies that made a decision to give a shit to the very end.

You could be 100% right, and everything suggests it wasn't voluntary, but we don't know the details. Nothing against speculation, but some of the words there are a bit harsh.

If I had to speculate, this is my tinfoil hat theory:
Considering PoE ran out of money during development and both had a similar budget, I'd say they've spent all the KS money already. If not, they're almost there. InXile was able to raise more funds for Wasteland 2 through Early Access, which came a year and a half after the KS IIRC.
I believe InXile was seeking the same for Torment, then Fargo and others probably realized a Torment game is not exactly a good fit for early access. Going out on a limb here, but I think Kevin was told to adjust the game accordingly, to focus on making something they could sell on Steam as soon as possible. Kevin probably fought against it, wanting to stick the game's vision and design instead of money, then Fargo put Chris Keenan on the job, as he's the one who made it happen for WL2.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

R.I.P. Looking Glass, Troika and all companies that made a decision to give a shit to the very end.

By giving the shit to the very end, you mean they abandoned every single one of their bug ridden shitfests, the first day after release, right?

Way to go idolizing studios who went down for very good fucking reason,.

s..
Please tell me you didn't actually think Fargo gave a shit the way these guys did. Please tell me you didn't need something like this to occur before you re-evaluated.
Fargo, he cared about business first, its profits, the face needed to keep expanding, both in terms of player base and within the gaming sector.

Are we talking about the same Fargo who saved Fallout from being canned, opposing the entire Interplay higher-up hierarchy?

The amount of retarded revisionism in this thread is hilarious. As long as any studio bankrupted, the entire staff was evidently full of gaming Jesuses concerned with nothing but making the best games for the good of the human race. But if someone managed to stay alive and actually keep fucking making games giving us new shit to do with our hobby, they're automatically greedy childrapists concerned with nothing but profit.

Jesus fucking CHrist.

 

[Aenra]

You have huge nick, but peanut-sized grey matter.

I care not about messiahs, it is enough to have people with empathy and the right principles to relate to. I live icons to others. I also do not make a habbit out of posting the favourable aspects of a story, especially when the less favourable counterparts are habitually ignored.

One could go even further, stating that even said one decision was made in view of teh moneyz it would bring in, and teh moneyz alone (why don't you ask Tim Cain what his exact words were). But i will not proceed to allegations, the facts suffice for me.

edit:

evidently full of gaming Jesuses

When using words such as 'jesus', 'saviour' et al, make damn sure you made an effort into being objective. You accuse one (me) of being blind-sided, when you yourself appear to be just as much, rushing to a defense unneeded. If your view of a person and their entire history lies in just one decision, isolated from the entirety of their existence, good for you. Just mind the wording, you ain't helping yourself.

 

[Roguey]

Troika would have happily supported their games if they had the money to do it, but alas, they did not. Sierra, Atari, and Activision can be blamed for that.

Troika can and should be blamed for trying to do way too much for the money and time they were given.