The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

[deama]

Are there any gpu leaks?

 

[Makabb]

Are there any gpu leaks?

not yet

 

[taxalot]

a console with 3.2ghz cpu and 10 tflops gpu will be a BEAST

PS3 already had a 7 core CPU at 3.2 GHZ. It means nothing.

It's not like console gamers taste in games would make CPU power a problem

 

[Machocruz]

How much CPU do you need for glorified arcade games

 

[SlamDunk]

Are there any gpu leaks?

I doubt the GPUs will be water-cooled.

 

[aweigh]

console specs determine PC games' specs. Remember that even western RPGs like DOS, PoE, etc are now made with CONSOLE port in mind which means they're made with console specs as a target.

 

[SlamDunk]

console specs determine PC games' specs

For the most part. That's the inconvenient truth, these days.

That's why, as a PC gamer, I'm really hoping that next generation consoles will have 16GB of RAM and an NVMe SSD... and no, SSHDD won't do because the streaming speed from mass media (textures etc.) should be as high as possible. I wish the next generation would finally say "good riddance" to HDDs.

 

[aweigh]

faster CPUs also mean devs can finally begin developing new compression algorithms to both reduce texture sizes and additionally speed-up texture streaming.

 

[Zer0wing]

PS3 already had a 7 core CPU at 3.2 GHZ. It means nothing.

Not really. Six of those, the SPUs function much like modern GPU cores only bit more versatile but still governed by main CPU core which is the equivalent of one Xenon (X360 CPU) core. It truly means nothing.

 

[Metro]

I've read some forums where console-derps think they are getting 4k 60fps for $400. Not happening. Maybe 1440p 60fps. Maybe.

 

[sullynathan]

4k 60fps for $400

it's already happening

 

[aweigh]

there is no game that runs at 60fps at 4k on any console. they all dip a little, into mid-50s or low-50s, usually during effects-heavy cutscenes or scenes with heavy use of volumetric effects (like in the current resident evil 2 remake where the console versions run with the PC's 'Low' version of volumetric lighting), and some dip a lot, sometimes even into low-40's, like the recent Ass Creed games or the console port of Deus Ex MD as another easy example.

True 4k 60fps is that it never dips below 60. Ever. And that doesn't exist on any current-gen console.

EDIT: needless to say current-gen consoles also rarely, if ever, output true 4k either. I know PS4 Pro never does, and xb1x only in some heavily-optimized games; usually it's just some reconstruction method or another or just 1800p or less.

 

[tritosine2k]

Number of "shadow casting lights" is a better metric and one they dont want you to know about. Display fov wont match ingame fov so 4k is still next to useless 99.9% of the time not to mention 4k displays have motion blur, because response time on oled is just another bullshit metric and theres no real pressure to improve lcd-s.

 

[deama]

I hope the next generation comes out with shitty specs so that I don't have to upgrade my PC for several more years.

 

[Metro]

it's already happening

It's borderline possible with a 1080ti. You aren't finding those for $400. Never mind the markup for the other components required for a console.

 

[sullynathan]

it's already happening

It's borderline possible with a 1080ti. You aren't finding those for $400. Never mind the markup for the other components required for a console.

I meant there are console games doing that now for that price, it won't be feasible for all console games next gen because console developers love pushing graphics at 30 fps.

there is no game that runs at 60fps at 4k on any console.

You're wrong about that and specifying that they can't drop below 60 for even a second is unnecesarry.

Full 4K 60

There's more than this, just examples

Super Lucky's Tale
Halo Master Chief Collection
Mantis Burn Racing
Killer Instinct
Fifa 2017 & 2018
P.E.S. 2017 & 2018
NBA 2K17 & 2K18
Resident Evil 7
Paladins
Neon Chrome
Diablo 3
Madden 18
Path of Exile
The Walking Dead: Final Season

Full 4K

There's even more than this too

Rise of the Tomb Raider
L.A. Noire
Gears of War 4
Gears 5
PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS
Hitman
Skyrim
Witcher 3
Destiny 2
Halo Wars 2
Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice
Forza Horizon 3
Forza Horizon 4
Far Cry 5
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
Okami HD
No Man's Sky
Fallout 4
State of Decay 2
Sea of Thieves
The Vanishing of Ethan Carter

Checkerboard, dynamic or adaptive

Spoiler

DOOM (60 fps)
Overwatch (60 fps)
Wolfenstein 2: The New Colossus (60 fps)
Call of Duty Infinite Warfare (native 4k dynamic resolution)
Star Wars Battlefront II
Battlefield 1
Morrowind (Almost 4K, limited by original code)
Halo 3, Gears 3, Fallout 3, Assassin's Creed, Mirror's Edge, Skate 3, Oblivion (some not 4K)
The Witcher 2 (Almost full 4K)

 

[aweigh]

if it drops below 60 then it's not 60 frames per second, like you'd get on a PC with mid-range hardware and above.

 

[sullynathan]

if it drops below 60 then it's not 60 frames per second, like you'd get on a PC with mid-range hardware and above.

So I showed a bunch of games that don't drop below 60.

 

[tritosine2k]

4k60 wont fix crappy LOD implementations and artists still spend time generating LOD instead of adding content. Not to mention the last display showing 60hz right was plasma.

 

[aweigh]

ok. i could easily keep this going if i said "only base consoles allowed" or said "yeah but only on the xb1x" but this is a really dumb thing to spend time on.

if the statement is that "it is already possible to play games at 4k and at 60fps on console" then I can concede that it is possible, and put aside the obvious caveats of only a select few games and only on 1 specific console and with a variable resolution.

 

[Kitchen Utensil]

Next gen will be as much 4k/60 as the 360/PS3 were fullHD consoles, the XOne/PS4 were 1080/60 consoles and X1X/Pro are 4k consoles, i.e. not really.

 

[deama]

My eyes are set on 144fps, none of this potatoe 60fps shit.

 

[J_C]

there is no game that runs at 60fps at 4k on any console. they all dip a little, into mid-50s or low-50s, usually during effects-heavy cutscenes or scenes with heavy use of volumetric effects (like in the current resident evil 2 remake where the console versions run with the PC's 'Low' version of volumetric lighting), and some dip a lot, sometimes even into low-40's, like the recent Ass Creed games or the console port of Deus Ex MD as another easy example.

True 4k 60fps is that it never dips below 60. Ever. And that doesn't exist on any current-gen console.

EDIT: needless to say current-gen consoles also rarely, if ever, output true 4k either. I know PS4 Pro never does, and xb1x only in some heavily-optimized games; usually it's just some reconstruction method or another or just 1800p or less.

That's actually better than I expected. If current consoles with shit hardware can output 4K with 30-50fps, I think there is a chance that the next gen can pull out 60fps.

 

[taxalot]

just hoping it's not too powerful CPU wise and that I can keep my i7 4790k for the entirety of the ps5 génération and only change my graphic card

 

[Morgoth]

a console with 3.2ghz cpu and 10 tflops gpu will be a BEAST

In console terms, it definitely would.

About time the base line of ~1,3TFLOPs gets a proper upgrade. Not that I think this will translate into better games tho...