The Outer Worlds goes Epic Games Store-exclusive (also Windows Store)

[Yosharian]

People in their contrarianism to steam are counter-shilling for an even worse online store

Does your contrarianism preclude you from comprehending what you're reading? Nowhere in the text you quoted am I shilling for any store. In fact, I take the opportunity and mention that explicitly.

The rest of your post is just meaningless drivel that has nothing to do with the post I made and you quoted. Do you even read what you write before you post?

I have never used steam in my life and still think epic is the worst thing that could happen to gaming.

Gaming as a service is easily worse for gaming than Epic, Steam and all the rest combined into one.

Who's shilling for Steam in this thread?

 

[Atlantico]

You are counter-shilling against people being rightfully upset about the exclusive deal.

It's not an exclusive deal, no matter how many times you repeat it, that won't magically come true.

Furthermore, it's a sad and pathetic tactic to try to paint me as something I am most certainly not. What I am, is completely unsympathetic to your "rightful indignation", because I simply do not care that you can't buy a game from your middleware of choice.

You are in fact shilling for not only epic but also other type of exclusives, all because of contrarianism to steam.

I am doing no such thing and it would rather seem to be your complete failure of simple reading comprehension which has led you to that conclusion. That, or the simple dishonesty of a shill.

I made that absolutely clear in the post you quoted and completely misread, coincidentally like an actual shill would.

Who's shilling for Steam in this thread?

What is this thread about?

 

[FreeKaner]

because I simply do not care that you can't buy a game from your middleware of choice.

If that so, what is even your point? Do you even have a point?

Let me put it in your terms, people do not like that they are forced to use middleware that is not their choice. If entire length of your post amounts to "I don't care that people cannot use their middleware of choice" then the rightful and appropriate answer is why the fuck should anyone care what do you think? If you don't care about people's middleware choice, why are you here arguing about usage of particular middleware at the expense of another middleware? Especially if it is only to point them as shills simply because they do not want to use a worse middleware that had to bruteforce its way to be even seen as an option?

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Detractors of the Epic Game Store say "Why should we switch to an inferior launcher? Where's the value to the customer?" And they're right! The Epic launcher is worse, and there is no value to the customer. You're being screwed on the launcher, and you can absolutely refuse to buy the game if you feel strongly about that.

But here's the thing. Isn't every choice we make in gaming made up of these kinds of painful compromises? Before this news, you were apparently considering buying a game with quest markers even though you hate quest markers. One could justifiably ask, why is the launcher of all things the dealbreaker for you? Isn't that a bit silly?

That's why I just don't get the hype. This is the world we live in, folks. And for the record, do I plan to D1P the game myself? No, quite possibly not.

The part you are omitting is that the Epic store is the only store out there that was designed specifically to be anti-consumer. Nobody was outraged about games being exclusive to Origin, Uplay, Battlenet or Bethesda's whatever. It's the only store where owners outright stated that devs matter and they don't and the only one that was specifically designed to silence players, and shield devs from "toxicity".

And if they manage to get ahead of Valve using their tactics then Valve is likely to respond by using the very same tactics. They are already changing their algorithms to automatically hide "review bombs". What is very likely is not the future where Steam magically transforms into some consumer-first paradise, but a future where every store is heavily moderated by the publishers, with negative opinions being discarded willy-nilly and big games are parceled between stores behind exclusivity deals.

One of the simplest moves I could think of would be introducing "Steam exclusivity bonus". Valve reduces their cut to meager 15% in exchange to devs agreeing to not sell their games anywhere else on the market. This kills the Epic store, just as well as GoG, itch.io and every other independent store.

Competition is not always good for the consumers. The best example would be console market. Microsoft introduced paid online, while thought that shit will simply won't fly with the consumers. Unfortunately brainless retards bought gold memberships en-masse, which convinced Sony that players are spineless sheeple and will bend over anything. Lo-behold and paid online came to PS4, hurray for competition.

 

[moraes]

Steam has a tight control of the market due to the network effect. Epic has the right idea that trying to woo users directly would be an uphill battle, and GOG already lost that battle, so they had that past experience to learn from. Having only your games exclusively on your store also didn't work for EA and Origin. Epic is just trying a different strategy and incidentally one that Steam also used in the early years to conquer users from their old habit of physical purchases (my memory is fuzzy on this, but I remember catching the Steam bacillus by opening The Orange Box). Is this good for the consumer? On the short run obviously not, and even on the long run we don't know if it will work to bring effective competition. Even if it works, the threat will most likely lead to Steam signing its own exclusivity deals to keep its dominant position.

One quick way of resolving this would be resurrecting comrade Stalin and have him do it in one quick regulatory swoop: mandating that all digital stores should have a "GOG-like" fallback option that lets users directly download the binaries of the software that they purchase and run it directly from their operating system. That way, buying on Epic, or Steam, or GOG, or Origin, or etc. would not be buying into Epic, Steam, GOG, Origin, etc. The consumer would not be tied to a purchase of services with a purchase of software, but could choose freely to use those social and network services if they wanted.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

One quick way of resolving this would be resurrecting comrade Stalin and have him do it in one quick regulatory swoop: mandating that all digital stores should have a "GOG-like" fallback option that lets users directly download the binaries of the software that they purchase and run it directly from their operating system. That way, buying on Epic, or Steam, or GOG, or Origin, or etc. would not be buying into Epic, Steam, GOG, Origin, etc. The consumer would not be tied to a purchase of services with a purchase of software, but could choose freely to use those social and network services if they wanted.

Congratulations, you've managed to make more compelling argument in favor or socialims/communism than anyone did in the last decade.

 

[fantadomat]

Hahahahaha mossad at work!

 

[Reinhardt]

 

[sullynathan]

why does this need a separate thread and why are my posts moved?

 

[Alienman]

Is this the main thread now? Why the split?

 

[Sailor Woedica]

Oh wow this just became my first official thread on the forum! Thanks so much you guys I feel so honoured!

 

[JBro]

FUCK Obsidiots *dabs*

 

[fantadomat]

Obsidian- Oh look,our game is at peak hype and desired by every young noble. What could we about this peculiar situation ? If only there was a dashing young knight to sweep us off our feet!
Epic- Hello gorgeous creature,let me buy you a drink .

Next day in ifinitron's gem store:
Oh nooo,everything is burning,all the forums are filled with hateful comments about the princes getting away with that rich gypso,EPIC! Now my second yacht and my shilling reputation are in danger. Hmmmm,i know,lets delete all the evul comments and cut the thread in to twenty new ones. That way people isolated in different threads and the whole drama will die out!

 

[fantadomat]

Infinitron stop pretending that you don't have a second yacht! At least take us on a codexian nazi yacht party. To repay us for all the abuse you had put us trough,cut thread,edited posts,untaged threads,banning funny trolls while leaving retards like safo el chapo,etc etc!

 

[Yosharian]

Who's shilling for Steam in this thread?

What is this thread about?

Point out some people in the thread who are shilling for Steam, quote some posts.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Competition is not always good for the consumers. The best example would be console market. Microsoft introduced paid online, while thought that shit will simply won't fly with the consumers. Unfortunately brainless retards bought gold memberships en-masse, which convinced Sony that players are spineless sheeple and will bend over anything. Lo-behold and paid online came to PS4, hurray for competition.

Not sure that's due to competition. It's about who thought of if first.
You can think it wouldn't have ever happened if Microsoft didn't enter the console market to compete with Sony but that's just stupid. It could've just as easily started from Sony, it's not like they're strangers to anti-consumer practices.
And if consumers embrace bad practices... well, you can hardly call them anti-consumer, can you? If you don't like them, then separate yourself from the consumer crowd and stop feeding the bad practices.

The part you are omitting is that the Epic store is the only store out there that was designed specifically to be anti-consumer. Nobody was outraged about games being exclusive to Origin, Uplay, Battlenet or Bethesda's whatever. It's the only store where owners outright stated that devs matter and they don't and the only one that was specifically designed to silence players, and shield devs from "toxicity".

Bullshit. They're outraged the game is not on Steam. The main complaint is "I have to install another client". It's got nothing to do with principles. Only convenience and such blind loyalty to a brand that Steam essentially has a strangehold on the entire PC market.

 

[troz]

HEI GUISE, IM SO ANGRY RIGTH NOW THAT MY FAVOURIGHTE ANTICIPAYTED GAEM IS NOT RELEADSED ON MY FAVORITE GAYMING CLIENT THAT IM ACCUDSTOMED TOO
INSTEAD IT GETS RELEASED EXCLUESIVELY ON ONE THAT I DONT KNOW AND IT FUCKIGN SUCKS :-(

I HAVE TOO PIERATE THE OURTER WOLDS NOW :'‑(

 

[Sigourn]

What should I rate this post - retarded, butthurt, sheeple, shit? Or simply "sigourn"?

You are a bad man.

 

[Quillon]

Here are my terms, Obsidian:

Many ITT still treat Obs as an independent studio.

Can understand why MCA does it, he has an agenda but seems you guys still can't get over the fact that YOUR FAVORITE STUDIO OF ALL TIME got acquired (cos most of you didn't buy Deadfire :D ) on top of that the game has another publisher who pays the bills ffs.

This shit is nothing yet all this fuss about it, if MS somehow fucks what's left of Obs up/influences the games themselves heavily, people will mass suicide I reckon.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Here are my terms, Obsidian:

Many ITT still treat Obs as an independent studio.

Can understand why MCA does it, he has an agenda but seems you guys still can't get over the fact that YOUR FAVORITE STUDIO OF ALL TIME got acquired (cos most of you didn't but Deadfire :D ) on top of that the game has another publisher who pays the bills ffs.

This shit is nothing yet all this fuss about it, if MS somehow fucks what's left of Obs up/influences the games themselves heavily, people will mass suicide I reckon.

Microsoft isn't the publisher for this game you dip

 

[Quillon]

Here are my terms, Obsidian:

Many ITT still treat Obs as an independent studio.

Can understand why MCA does it, he has an agenda but seems you guys still can't get over the fact that YOUR FAVORITE STUDIO OF ALL TIME got acquired (cos most of you didn't but Deadfire :D ) on top of that the game has another publisher who pays the bills ffs.

This shit is nothing yet all this fuss about it, if MS somehow fucks what's left of Obs up/influences the games themselves heavily, people will mass suicide I reckon.

Microsoft isn't the publisher for this game you dip

ffs you made me write this shit: learn to read.

 

[a Goat]

It's kinda hilarious that the whole ebin store exclusive deals are not about having games exclusively there, but about not having it on steam. DeDivision 2 is still on uplay, tow is on windows store.

 

[Glenda Glenn]

Is this the main thread now? Why the split?

Divide and Extinguish? Yes, this should be the main thread from now on.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Many ITT still treat Obs as an independent studio.

I know there is confusion about it, but I don't really care who is responsible.

It's like Tim and Feargus. Tim is gay, yet Feargus is a faggot, but what players see is ony the end result.

And Obsidian are not my favorite studio. I don't even know if I have a favorite studio.

 

[sullynathan]

DeDivision 2 is still on uplay

Owned by Ubisoft. All their games use UPlay regardless of it being on a 3rd party Store.

tow is on windows store.

Obsidian is owned by MS now, it's expected that their new game will at least be on an MS platform.