Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[KeighnMcDeath]

Imagine a mega billionaire gamer who buys the MM, Wizardry, Ultima, Bardstale, and maybe a few other IPS. Could the fans do better?

 

[octavius]

Happy Merchant detected..

I love the art style in MM2.

 

[0sacred]

Might and Magic 11 when?

https://gamerant.com/might-and-magic-new-game/

 

[Kedar]

Might and Magic 11 when?

https://gamerant.com/might-and-magic-new-game/

Good article:

The last Might & Magic game that Ubisoft developed and published was released in 2014 - Might & Magic X: Legacy - to mostly favorable reviews, though the community wasn't too thrilled about it. A major issue with Legacy was that it was a dungeon crawling game, rather than a fully-fledged turn-based strategy that fans had grown to love.

 

[0sacred]

it was a heads up to Volourn, don't get your vagina all sandy about it

 

[Mauman]

Good article:

The last Might & Magic game that Ubisoft developed and published was released in 2014 - Might & Magic X: Legacy - to mostly favorable reviews, though the community wasn't too thrilled about it. A major issue with Legacy was that it was a dungeon crawling game, rather than a fully-fledged turn-based strategy that fans had grown to love.

I've come to actively despise Heroes for this kind of shit.

 

[Gaznak]

Gentlemen, could you share your thoughts concerning the eternal philosophical question of M&M 3-5 - and yet, Robber or Ninja?

As for me I still can't grasp the benefits of having Ninja that are so praised everywhere. Maybe are there some hidden/undocumented properties this class has? I ask because I can't see any major Ninja advantages 'on paper', rather it seems to be reversed, and Robber seems to be more useful in more situations.

 

[Average Manatee]

Robbers get +15 thievery, Ninjas get an attack every 5 levels rather than 6. Most of the time you don't care about thievery since if a trap hits you while opening something you just heal up, if it takes a few more tries then it doesn't matter. All that matters is that you be able to open things eventually. Ninja's APR is the 2nd best in the game after Barbarian and will output 20% more damage than Robber.

Meta-wise there's also no reason not to choose Dwarf for an inherent +10 thievery and temp level bonuses will also boost thievery so a Ninja will soon be running around with +20 thievery more than a baseline Robber anyway. Unless you want to do some sequence breaking stuff where you go to high level areas and unlock high level chests at level 1 there's no reason to need to stack more thievery from being a robber.

My standard party is Ninja + 2 cleric casters + 3 arcane casters, running all half casters in MM4/5 and mixing in some or all full casters for MM3 since you really need the mana more there.

 

[Mauman]

Gentleman, could you share your thoughts concerning the eternal philosophical question of M&M 3-5 - and yet, Robber or Ninja?

As for me I still can't grasp the benefits of having Ninja that are so praised everywhere. Maybe are there some hidden/undocumented properties this class has? I ask because I can't see any major Ninja advantages 'on paper', rather it seems to be reversed, and Robber seems to be more useful in more situations.

It's about the long game.

Yes, at the early levels, a robber and a ninja aren't going to feel that much different (outside of a few more traps going off with the ninja and the robber being slightly more durable), but as both level up the gulf in combat ability becomes wider and wider.

Also, keep in mind that thievery can be upped by items. Nothing* outside of the class rate increases number of attacks. One per five levels for the Ninja (same rate as the knight!) and one per six for the robber. Oh, and while robbers get better armor than Ninja, the reverse is true for weapons (once again, increasing the gulf in combat ability).

*yes, yes, I know heroism exists. That doesn't do any counter arguments any favors as that simply increases the gap in the Ninja's favor.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I should have used ninja I guess.

 

[Hobo Elf]

MM3-5 are easy enough where it doesn't really matter. Yeah, there are optimal choices, obviously. But you're not going to be punished if you just go with what sounds fun to you.

 

[Average Manatee]

Equipment options barely matters in MM3-5, going from 1d8 to 1d12 or w/e or having +4 AC is completely irrelevant by the time you're 10% into the game and getting +10 weapons or buffing with +10 buffs (which can also be stronger from temp level bonuses so quickly +20). For this reason barbarian is essentially strictly superior to knight. The only counterargument is that there does exist some small chance that you get an obsidian weapon really early that a knight could use but a barbarian couldn't but that's a fairly temporary benefit if it happens at all.

MM3-5 are easy enough where it doesn't really matter. Yeah, there are optimal choices, obviously. But you're not going to be punished if you just go with what sounds fun to you.

Yeah this too. Plus at the very start of the game what it mostly comes down to is your starting stats and after that you'll be unstoppable if you've reconned well and hit the proper temp boost shrines for an area first. To make MM3-5 challenging you'd need to do something like an all barbarian run. On the flipside even 6 full casters can definitely output decent melee damage while buffed and your defense doesn't really go down with them.

 

[Gaznak]

I play M&M 3 now and I have a question about item properties.

1. There is a special item property LEATHER that gives -4 to Hit, -6 Damage, 0 AC.

2. With that, there is an armor piece LEATHER ARMOR thats gives +3 AC.

Everything seems more or less clear so far, an item property LEATHER is not the same 'leather' that is in LEATHER ARMOR. Well, OK.

3. With that, there are additional items like Gauntlets, Boots and Cloak (there are some more, maybe, but I met these 3 so far). These items can be LEATHER GAUNTLETS, LEATHER BOOTS and LEATHER CLOAK as well as, say, Glass Gauntlets (Boots, Cloak), Crystal Gauntlets (Boots, Cloak) and so on. So, thinking logically, this LEATHER should be like the item property LEATHER (see Clause 1). But when I check them with Identify option, there's None penalty in To Hit and Damage stats, and there's +1 AC bonus.

Well, someone can say "C'mon, dude, M&M 3 is such an easy game, no need to screw your brain with such a bullshit!" but I strangely enjoy the M&M 3 inventory fiddling, these little funny item icons and podgy jagged font tranquillize me, so I would want to solve this Leather Mystery.

 

[Covenant]

I play M&M 3 now and I have a question about item properties.

1. There is a special item property LEATHER that gives -4 to Hit, -6 Damage, 0 AC.

2. With that, there is an armor piece LEATHER ARMOR thats gives +3 AC.

Everything seems more or less clear so far, an item property LEATHER is not the same 'leather' that is in LEATHER ARMOR. Well, OK.

3. With that, there are additional items like Gauntlets, Boots and Cloak (there are some more, maybe, but I met these 3 so far). These items can be LEATHER GAUNTLETS, LEATHER BOOTS and LEATHER CLOAK as well as, say, Glass Gauntlets (Boots, Cloak), Crystal Gauntlets (Boots, Cloak) and so on. So, thinking logically, this LEATHER should be like the item property LEATHER (see Clause 1). But when I check them with Identify option, there's None penalty in To Hit and Damage stats, and there's +1 AC bonus.

Well, someone can say "C'mon, dude, M&M 3 is such an easy game, no need to screw your brain with such a bullshit!" but I strangely enjoy the M&M 3 inventory fiddling, these little funny item icons and podgy jagged font tranquillize me, so I would want to solve this Leather Mystery.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Wooden & leather are some of the worse items. A challenge if you can equip a full party and say "We're so fucking bad ass we use the shittiest items! Fuck off Sheltem!"

https://shrines.rpgclassics.com/pc/mm3/items.shtml

 

[0sacred]

Trying to run MM7 under Windows 11. GOG Launcher doesn't work at all. When running the .exe directly it takes several tries to get anything to happen. Then a small white rectangle appears, and disappears. Game doesn't load.

This persists in software and windowed mode.

 

[zapotec]

Are you using grayface patch?

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I refuse to install win11. If i buy a new computer and it has it... oh well.

 

[0sacred]

Are you using grayface patch?

nop

and wouldn't want to use it. Well it started now, after many tries. Let's hope it is reproducible

 

[lukaszek]

mm6-8 runs fine on my machine with win11, problem is likely on your end.

Also which exploit is so crucial to you that you dont want grayface

 

[0sacred]

Also which exploit is so crucial to you that you dont want grayface

it's rather Grayface's bug fixes that are exploits, as the game wasn't balanced for them. Like fixing Haste and Archers' bow damage.

 

[zapotec]

So the developpers balanced the game around non functioning spells and skills?

 

[0sacred]

So the developpers balanced the game around non functioning spells and skills?

yes. QA only tested the game in its current state (as far as we know). For the same reason I no longer use Bones' MM6 patch that makes dual wielding actually work. Dual wielding is a game changer in MM7 and 8, I assume it's the same for MM6. And the game was never tested with functioning dual wielding. Granted, MM6 balance is totally borked with Dark Magic being available early on and everything, but it still feels unsatisfactory to faceroll the game because you used a community patch.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

I dunno about that. If it doesn't work it should. Developers might've been forbidden to officially work on further patching for contract reasons. Like, from a higher-up POV, patching is time and effort wasted in a project that was already delivered as opposed to working on something that hasn't been delivered yet. The issue here is that fan mods often introduce things nobody really wanted, which is why I tend to stay away from mods that "balance" things and stick to others that do purely technical things.

 

[TheDeveloperDude]

M&M2 Gates to another world

I want a clerics-sorcerers only party. But can I disarm chests without a robber/ninja?
Any available spell, item etc?
I know I cannot equip the Thief's pick. :-(