The Japs do everything better

[Skinwalker]

Sadly, I am forced to agree with this. Tranime-adjacent video games have their own fair share of wokeness and degeneracy, but it's kind of like the early Obummer-era levels of wokeness. It's 10-15 years behind current_year.

Now, in the current_year of Western RPGs all "entertainment" products, the wokeness entails nothing but stronk sheboon lesbians, casual homosexuality at every corner, asslicking literal bears, and obligatory straight White male villain who exists solely to be the local variety of Trumpy/Hitlerian locus of NPC consoomer hatred.

Japs are pissing down your throat, whereas (((Western))) studios are copiously shitting into you. Piss is better than shit.

 

[GamerCat_]

Japanese and Western games are completely different forms. JRPGs have very little in common with Western RPGs when you consider their creative intentions. They have an old fascination with a few key ideas they lifted but do such radically different things with them that comparisons seem silly. The Japanese approach has always been something more like creating multimedia anime, with the "RPG Combat" form being a useful contrivance to abstract away any kind of violence, provide a stimulating mental puzzle, and fill a lot of time along the way.

Meanwhile in the West the "RPG Combat" is basically the point because RPGs are for subhumans.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Japanese and Western games are completely different forms. JRPGs have very little in common with Western RPGs when you consider their creative intentions. They have an old fascination with a few key ideas they lifted but do such radically different things with them that comparisons seem silly. The Japanese approach has always been something more like creating multimedia anime, with the "RPG Combat" form being a useful contrivance to abstract away any kind of violence, provide a stimulating mental puzzle, and fill a lot of time along the way.

Meanwhile in the West the "RPG Combat" is basically the point because RPGs are for subhumans.

The japs make better western style RPGs than western devs. It's not simply a case of JRPGs>>>western RPGs. The japs do everything better, including western style shit.

 

[GamerCat_]

Japanese and Western games are completely different forms. JRPGs have very little in common with Western RPGs when you consider their creative intentions. They have an old fascination with a few key ideas they lifted but do such radically different things with them that comparisons seem silly. The Japanese approach has always been something more like creating multimedia anime, with the "RPG Combat" form being a useful contrivance to abstract away any kind of violence, provide a stimulating mental puzzle, and fill a lot of time along the way.

Meanwhile in the West the "RPG Combat" is basically the point because RPGs are for subhumans.

The japs make better western style RPGs than western devs. It's not simply a case of JRPGs>>>western RPGs. The japs do everything better, including western style shit.

I would argue that they never really follow westerners in style. No matter how direct the inspiration is they always start diverging immediately and effortlessly.

For a different genre example, the 'Citadel' developer is a Japanese guy. His inspiration is other "first person shooter" games. There are no Japanese ones to take cues from. But despite this his instincts as a creator are so utterly alien to those of everyone else making "first person shooters" that by his second game his work looks like almost nothing else in existence. It's like the most autistic Doom survival and detail mods crossed with the most surreal Japanese dungeon crawlers crossed with Escape From Tarkov crossed with hardcore shotacon pornography (based).

You can call this a "western style" game because a white man created fixed first person perspective and you have a gun, but can this still be called a Japanese man making an American thing? Does Beyond Citadel strike you as fundamentally Western/American?

 

[JB_0x0003]

CAMILLE BIDAN IS A TEENAGE BOY!

who? never used him.
i only field cute girls and cool guys like ryoma

Huh? Kamile is a girl's name.

 

[Cheesedragon117]

I can't believe so many people voted "Larian will save us." Just like the rest of the internet, this forum is becoming overrun with porn addicts and sex pests of the highest order.

Seek the Son!

 

[janior]

blobbers are a midwit bait

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

I can't believe so many people voted "Larian will save us." Just like the rest of the internet, this forum is becoming overrun with porn addicts and sex pests of the highest order.

Seek the Son!

Both the japs (and their lovers) and Larian stans are as you so eloquently put it, "porn addicts and sex pests"

 

[HeatEXTEND]

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JRPG

 

[Odoryuk]

By looking at what Japanese developers did to Wizardry (removed all the nerd humour, created great music themes from scratch, made a lot of spin–offs and original games based on Wizardry license which all are better than what Western developers made) I do agree that Japanese do everything better, if we're speaking about videogames.
Wish they localised more of their stuff though.

 

[Frank Capicoli]

Wish they localised more of their stuff though.

Perhaps the only truly useful thing AI will achieve is making it 100x easier for nonprofessional/hobby localizers to translate things. It's already miles above the poetry machine translation spits out in certain Japanese 'hobbies'.

 

[ZACKIE]

Japs can't make better RPG's because they can't write for shit, end of story, they do make better action games, tps and platformers though.

 

[Silverfish]

Japs can't make better RPG's because they can't write for shit

These days, no one can.

 

[Ash]

Why do the Japanese make RPG's where everyone is a retardedly dressed teenager? With the possible exception of Dark Souls, the Japanese have just made the same game for years which is essentially just an iteration of Final Fantasy.

You're kind of way off.

Japanese RPGs are extremely broad, just like western. You've got FP dungeon crawlers (Wizardry Successors, Eliminage), RTwP (Vagrant Story, FF12), SRPG (Tactics Ogre, Front Mission), Action RPGs (Castlevania: SotN, Dark Souls), and of course the Ultima-inspired turn-based, to name a few styles.
That said, there are far too many with cringey stylization (low effort anime shit) these days, and I haven't kept up too well.

Someone said they're mostly all storyfag and yeah, there are a lot of those, but definitely many that are not, and there are many shitty storyfag "games" in cRPG too. e.g Bioware trash.

Do the Japs do it better? IDK about that. Within each region, western and eastern both, there are simply a small select number of companies that do it great within their specific sub-genre or style, and everyone else sucks.

Japs can't make better RPG's because they can't write for shit, end of story, they do make better action games, tps and platformers though.

Western USED to be no slouch in that regard too. action (see: FPS, ARPGs etc), tps (I'd say there are EASILY far more decent western TPS than Jap), Platformer (Tomb Raider, Spyro, DKC, Earthworm Jim, Dying Light).

 

[Machocruz]

Can thieves act outside of combat yet? They only do "primitive" styles of RPG better, Ultima 4-7, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, ToEE, etc. never existed in their timeline apparently. Their attempts at quests with multiple solutions and multiple outcomes have been threadbare compared to e.g. Troika/Obsidian. Dungeon interaction also pretty low, even NWN had traps and hidden doors, and the skill checks to find and deal with them (inb4Fromfags). They're still in love with the party blob. Theoretical optimal JRPG is probably a hard DRPG or Action-RPG with FF7-9 level presentation - all the things they do well. Beyond that, into other aspects of RPGing, pretty thin*.

Talking about mainstream/normie/slightly niche level at least. Probably some PC JRPG out there that only 103 people played that makes the average console crap RPG look like Pong.

*And in the other corner, modern WRPGs that still do some of that stuff, but are so cringe, pozzed, and ugly they might as well not have.

 

[GamerCat_]

Can thieves act outside of combat yet? They only do "primitive" styles of RPG better, Ultima 4-7, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, ToEE, etc. never existed in their timeline apparently. Their attempts at quests with multiple solutions and multiple outcomes have been threadbare compared to e.g. Troika/Obsidian. Dungeon interaction also pretty low, even NWN had traps and hidden doors, and the skill checks to find and deal with them (inb4Fromfags). They're still in love with the party blob. Theoretical optimal JRPG is probably a hard DRPG or Action-RPG with FF7-9 level presentation - all the things they do well. Beyond that, into other aspects of RPGing, pretty thin*.

Talking about mainstream/normie/slightly niche level at least. Probably some PC JRPG out there that only 103 people played that makes the average console crap RPG look like Pong.

*And in the other corner, modern WRPGs that still do some of that stuff, but are so cringe, pozzed, and ugly they might as well not have.

"Primitive" is the wrong word. Japanese games are Formal.

A "Thief" only being able to act in "combat" is a tradition. It creates possibilities in addition to limiting them. Their intention is never to simulate a world on a wire. They correctly understand that that is impossible and retarded. As the Thief guy said in comparing his game to Metal Gear Solid (paraphrasing and expanding), Metal Gear Solid's limits are clearly defined and intentional. You can only do so much, but you know exactly what and why. In Thief you can do as much as they were able to implement. Both games have limits. But only Thief begs questions. "Why can't I..?"

 

[Damned Registrations]

Can thieves act outside of combat yet?

Star Ocean 2 let you do that decades ago, yes. You could also craft equipment, potions, write books to share skills between party members, and use skills to generate money outside of combat. 1998.

Honestly it's always crpgs that have felt primitive to me. They trade off a ton of features in exchange for clinging to two things: A tactical map that almost never offers any real gameplay, and skill checks in dialogue. Which are great, when they're real and not illusory crap that all leads to the same result

Probably some PC JRPG out there that only 103 people played that makes the average console crap RPG look like Pong.

That would be Elona. It has hookers and blackjack!

 

[Hell Swarm]

Sadly, I am forced to agree with this. Tranime-adjacent video games have their own fair share of wokeness and degeneracy, but it's kind of like the early Obummer-era levels of wokeness. It's 10-15 years behind current_year.

Now, in the current_year of Western RPGs all "entertainment" products, the wokeness entails nothing but stronk sheboon lesbians, casual homosexuality at every corner, asslicking literal bears, and obligatory straight White male villain who exists solely to be the local variety of Trumpy/Hitlerian locus of NPC consoomer hatred.

Japs are pissing down your throat, whereas (((Western))) studios are copiously shitting into you. Piss is better than shit.

Anime plays a major role in getting us where we are now. You could write a novel on how much degenerate stuff Japan pushes from androgynous designs, to homosexuals to straight up pedophilia (see below). If you took an honest look at Japanese writing they almost all feature anti-racism themes in a fantasy setting and multiracial parties. There's very little the West is doing today that hasn't been supported and encouraged by many millenials and beyond growing up with anime being their primary entertainment source. And manga gets even worse since it's cheaper to make and often pornographic in nature.

hardcore shotacon pornography (based).

Neck yourself pedophile.

CAMILLE BIDAN IS A TEENAGE BOY!

who? never used him.
i only field cute girls and cool guys like ryoma

Huh? Kamile is a girl's name.

Thank you kind stranger. That faggot didn't even know the obvious joke I had set up. He's not a Char.

I can't believe so many people voted "Larian will save us." Just like the rest of the internet, this forum is becoming overrun with porn addicts and sex pests of the highest order.

Seek the Son!

Isn't that the entire internet at this point? Over exposure to adult content has made it impossible for them to filter their dick tingles from everything else. So now we have outright pedophilia being pushed on every forum that isn't some facebook group heavily moderated by a team of old men obsessed with model trains.

Japs can't make better RPG's because they can't write for shit, end of story, they do make better action games, tps and platformers though.

Crash Bandicoot would like a word with you. And arguably the best Sonic games were made by Americans and Japanese devs. Today it's especially hard to split Japanese games off from Western games as so many stupid weebs move to Japan to work on muh pokemon games. Even if you do consider Japan to make the best of any genre, you're basically playing the same game since the first version of it released. Japan is awful at innovating and mostly steal from the West to do anything new. So Mario maybe the best platformer but you're still playing Mario 64 or Mario 3 with better graphics. And I'm not sure how good the current versions are compared to even the weaker previous entries.

Japanese RPGs are extremely broad,

No. They just wear a lot of belts. They're all dragon quest but instead of using 20 Gokus for the cast they use a lady boy, a furry and a mother from an incest manga then get a deviant art poetry writer to flesh out the plot. Western indie devs are starting to make Japan look like a chump in the RPG department. They're so busy trying to figure out how to apply extremely heavy handed and pointless dialog in an open world they're making unplayable garbage on a massive budget. While RPG maker is giving people with decent stories to tell but no money a way to release something mildly enjoyable.

 

[GamerCat_]

Sadly, I am forced to agree with this. Tranime-adjacent video games have their own fair share of wokeness and degeneracy, but it's kind of like the early Obummer-era levels of wokeness. It's 10-15 years behind current_year.

Now, in the current_year of Western RPGs all "entertainment" products, the wokeness entails nothing but stronk sheboon lesbians, casual homosexuality at every corner, asslicking literal bears, and obligatory straight White male villain who exists solely to be the local variety of Trumpy/Hitlerian locus of NPC consoomer hatred.

Japs are pissing down your throat, whereas (((Western))) studios are copiously shitting into you. Piss is better than shit.

Anime plays a major role in getting us where we are now. You could write a novel on how much degenerate stuff Japan pushes from androgynous designs, to homosexuals to straight up pedophilia (see below). If you took an honest look at Japanese writing they almost all feature anti-racism themes in a fantasy setting and multiracial parties. There's very little the West is doing today that hasn't been supported and encouraged by many millenials and beyond growing up with anime being their primary entertainment source. And manga gets even worse since it's cheaper to make and often pornographic in nature.

Japan is not going woke. Only weirdos with the political equivalent to a cuckold fetish say that because they get off on the idea of it. Look at the language this freak uses. He's getting off to some sick fantasies and you're enabling him.

And as for anime, anime is the most spiritually vital media in existence. Explaining both its extraordinary appeal and the constant assaults upon it from all angle. Androgyny is not degenerate, it's a refinement of taste and sensibilities. It's a refinement of human types. Sexes start looking the same at the bottom and top of the human family.

This is a fucking incredible post. It's like reading a 90s boomercon. "Have you heard of this thing called... MAN-GAHHHH? Some cheap chinese comic books they use to turn the frogs gay!"

>anti-racism themes
Wanting to hang out with sexy elf-people who look 15 forever is not communist. Quite the opposite in fact. We know from how much the idea enrages actual communists (you). The most popular piece of fantasy media coming out of Japan right now is a manga called Frieren. One of the central story threads is a race war driven by irreconcilable differences between intelligent races, making peaceful co-existence impossible and genocide of one side or the other inevitable. This is actually far more common than the contrary direction in Japanese popular culture. The Japanese are an unreformed Axis Power. America got too distracted by the cold war to bother brainwashing them.

hardcore shotacon pornography (based).

Neck yourself pedophile.

"Neck yourself" oooooh I'm so scared.

Hey, Hell Swarm. Kill yourself.

Isn't that the entire internet at this point? Over exposure to adult content has made it impossible for them to filter their dick tingles from everything else. So now we have outright pedophilia being pushed on every forum that isn't some facebook group heavily moderated by a team of old men obsessed with model trains.

I am allegedly the class of pervert you live in fear of and Baldur's Gate 3 struck me as vomitive. You couldn't pay me to play something so fucking ugly.

Japs can't make better RPG's because they can't write for shit, end of story, they do make better action games, tps and platformers though.

Crash Bandicoot would like a word with you. And arguably the best Sonic games were made by Americans and Japanese devs. Today it's especially hard to split Japanese games off from Western games as so many stupid weebs move to Japan to work on muh pokemon games. Even if you do consider Japan to make the best of any genre, you're basically playing the same game since the first version of it released. Japan is awful at innovating and mostly steal from the West to do anything new. So Mario maybe the best platformer but you're still playing Mario 64 or Mario 3 with better graphics. And I'm not sure how good the current versions are compared to even the weaker previous entries.

Do you also believe that the Japanese can't fly planes because of their squinty little narrow eyes?

Japanese RPGs are extremely broad,

No. They just wear a lot of belts. They're all dragon quest but instead of using 20 Gokus for the cast they use a lady boy, a furry and a mother from an incest manga then get a deviant art poetry writer to flesh out the plot. Western indie devs are starting to make Japan look like a chump in the RPG department.

With Baldur's Gate 3? If not that, what?

 

[Hell Swarm]

Japan is not going woke.

You're correct. Japan isn't going "woke". It has always been a pillar of sexual degeneracy from pedophilia, bestiality and various homosexual and cross dressing acts. Japan isn't going 'woke' because Japan is literally the cancer pushing many of these ideas onto autistic children in the Western world. They are objectively one of the biggest poisons leading to the belief that you can become the opposite sex. Both through the art style (men and woman look the same), the content (trannies and fags every where) and the encouragement to abuse children leading to more sexually damaged people wishing to disfigure themselves to avoid further abuse.

You cannot deny this unless you are infected with the poison. Which you clearly are since you want to fuck literal children and post about it proudly online.

 

[GamerCat_]

Japan is not going woke.

You're correct. Japan isn't going "woke". It has always been a pillar of sexual degeneracy from pedophilia, bestiality and various homosexual and cross dressing acts.

Woke more correct than the mainstream, except for the bestiality part, don't know where you're pulling that from. Also I wouldn't call this degeneracy, but in the sense you mean it, I suppose it's accurate. They're lively and far less fucked up about all of these things than we are. And I suppose "pedophilia" is also a correct charge in the sense you mean it (legal for adults to speak to under 18 year olds) but paranoid hysteria and/or projection in the practical sense (actual sexual violation of children). It might seem surreal to you that the country that produces and celebrates Made In Abyss is safer for children than one that fears it. To me it seems natural. Japan is safer for children because they are capable of celebrating Made In Abyss.

Japan isn't going 'woke' because Japan is literally the cancer pushing many of these ideas onto autistic children in the Western world. They are objectively one of the biggest poisons leading to the belief that you can become the opposite sex.

Take your meds (estrogen).

Both through the art style (men and woman look the same),

Japan pushes the idea that men can look better without becoming retarded hulking nigger animals. A message that our society rather desperately needs.

the content (trannies and fags every where)

Take your medicine (the little pink ones).

and the encouragement to abuse children leading to more sexually damaged people wishing to disfigure themselves to avoid further abuse.

I would like to know what you have in mind when you say this.

You cannot deny this unless you are infected with the poison.

Very convenient for you. Everyone who disagrees with this line argument is insane.

Which you clearly are since you want to fuck literal children and post about it proudly online.

hahahaha

Moron.

 

[Hell Swarm]

It's like the most autistic Doom survival and detail mods crossed with the most surreal Japanese dungeon crawlers crossed with Escape From Tarkov crossed with hardcore shotacon pornography (based).

Woke more correct than the mainstream, except for the bestiality part, don't know where you're pulling that from. Also I wouldn't call this degeneracy, but in the sense you mean it, I suppose it's accurate. They're lively and far less fucked up about all of these things than we are.

Pedophile who thinks a country where it's legal to rape animals and sell/own videos of it is normal and not fucked up. They pixelate human vaginas but have no problem with showing a woman sucking on a dogs cock. Seems totally sane and not fucked up to me!

Okay. Keep posting. I'm sure you will be very popular when you keep promoting fucked up sexual things and saying how better it is than the west. We know what you are, we know why you like Japan and we know which of us is 2 weeks away from taking troonshine. And it's not me faggot.

 

[GamerCat_]

It's like the most autistic Doom survival and detail mods crossed with the most surreal Japanese dungeon crawlers crossed with Escape From Tarkov crossed with hardcore shotacon pornography (based).

Woke more correct than the mainstream, except for the bestiality part, don't know where you're pulling that from. Also I wouldn't call this degeneracy, but in the sense you mean it, I suppose it's accurate. They're lively and far less fucked up about all of these things than we are.

Pedophile who thinks a country where it's legal to rape animals and sell/own videos of it is normal and not fucked up.

That's news to me. If there's anything to this you're probably referring to something like a sensationalist headline which is an account of something like a bizarre case going to court and them finding that they had no laws on the books to deal with the situation. If I am wrong and there is in fact a glaring legal allowance to rape animals in Japan which is regularly taken advantage of with public approval let me know, that sounds very interesting.

Okay. Keep posting. I'm sure you will be very popular when you keep promoting fucked up sexual things and saying how better it is than the west. We know what you are, we know why you like Japan and we know which of us is 2 weeks away from taking troonshine. And it's not me faggot.

I know for certain that I'm plenty popular. Can you say the same?

 

[Machocruz]

Star Ocean 2 let you do that decades ago, yes. You could also craft equipment, potions, write books to share skills between party members, and use skills to generate money outside of combat. 1998.

A 26 year old exception to the rule. Now, good thief implementation is rare in crpgs, there's only a few games that let your party members move and/or act independently and outside of combat, but that's a few more than Japan*. Unfortunately, I'm not the kind of person that can go backwards from more control, more possibilities. Once you let me scout ahead with my thief to check a room, then take my sorc and cast a fireball from beyond the enemies' detection range and kill some of them before they know what's happening, it's hard to back to blobs, battle modes, non-interactive dungeons, and Mug.

Honestly it's always crpgs that have felt primitive to me. They trade off a ton of features in exchange for clinging to two things: A tactical map that almost never offers any real gameplay, and skill checks in dialogue. Which are great, when they're real and not illusory crap that all leads to the same result

Most crpgs are relatively primitive, but the ones that stand out have features that jrpgs have rarely or never touched and if they have, not to the same degree of rigor. The simple reason is that those stand outs attempted to recreate the mechanical detail and possibility space of TTRPGs, and/or attempted world simulation. That's the axis along which I call JRPGs primitive, by which I just mean simple, spare, or you can say focused. You don't go into a JRPG expecting Fallout quest structure, or Arcanum reactivity, Arx dungeon design, Daggerfall chargen, Ultima 7/Gothic 2 world simulation, BG2 spell game, etc. Thus they don't do everything better because they don't do all the things. I would like to see a competent Japanese crew do a hardcore, crunchy, full of CnC, skill checks, non-combat solutions, etc. --released to the general audience. Been saying that for years. Bring their penchant for unique settings, high craftsmanship, and high energy to bear on a such a base. CRPGs are fundamentally lacking in verve and personality, rather dry, which is always a problem I've had with them. Like the people in the west who could do otherwise went into adventure games, while in Japan they were in every genre.

tl;dr: Yes, more Elona plz Japan, and crpg developers were always depressed simulationfags.

*talking 'traditional' RPG, excluding T and SRPGs.

 

[Silverfish]

Japan isn't going 'woke' because Japan is literally the cancer pushing many of these ideas onto autistic children in the Western world.

Ok, rabbi.