Well, I don't believe in evil at all really, but you're missing the point. A religious zealot obsessed with power is "evil" if they rule the Inquisition with an iron hand and smite the unbelievers. That's an "evil path" worth having. Most RPGs just have you kill innocents for money and call it evil, which is boring.
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The Dragon Age: Inquisition Thread
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Well, I don't believe in evil at all really, but you're missing the point. A religious zealot obsessed with power is "evil" if they rule the Inquisition with an iron hand and smite the unbelievers. That's an "evil path" worth having. Most RPGs just have you kill innocents for money and call it evil, which is boring.
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Which serves to reinforce my point, when such a widely successful RPG still finds criticism for hanging on to "outdated" practices.
I don't think that's a very good conclusion to draw from the Skyrim's success. The game was successful despite of its silent protagonist, not because of it. I believe most people would prefer Dovakin to be fully voiced like Shepard/Hawke.
pippin
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Wait, why is there Baldur's Gate music in this turd? (can't embed the video position, it's from 1:30 on)
Wtf, Bioware, is nothing sacred anymore?
oh my god
I felt a part of my childhood dying right there.
circ
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RK uses music from 'random' sources just because. The music does not appear in the game.
I doubt it. History has shown games with silent protagonists are not negatively effected at the cash register. Why Bioware insists they are is beyond me.
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Sadism isn't the same as cruelty. Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger would be considered "evil", but both had very good motivations for what it did. PST "pragmatic incarnation" or MotB evil path were excelent examples of evil in games.
I believe much more people would be interested in true (as in realworld) evil options that make sense and reward better than the good ones (after all, outside of asylums, people are being "evil" because they have something to gain from it) than the usual "be a murdering lunatic for no reason, be and asshole to random people, and be penaltized from the game devs on top of feeling you are playing an idiot)
pippin
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The voiced protagonist was a ME gimmick, DAO had a silent main character. For biodrones, character customization (especially when it comes to gender) is a bigger deal.
You're basically saying what I am saying a different way. I totally agree. My point is "evil" paths usually are just sadist paths without any real complexity or value.
Slow James
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Given that Skyrim alone has about sold more than all of the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games combined, I'm not sure that's true. Given that DA:O wasn't a voiced main character and yet was more critically acclaimed and higher sales than DA2 also hints this may not be true. Yes, there are alternative explanations for both, but it also is proof that the idea of "we need full vocie acting and movie cutscenes for anyone to buy our game" is not a valid one.
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Sorry, i read only your first post, and it seemed to me that you only wanted waring consepts like freedom vs order. My answer was to that. Pure selfishness is more than enough, and the root of most "evil" actions, but somehow it's never used in games. In most of them you can act evil because your character gets a kick out of kicking puppies
How many genders are there in this shit game?
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As many as you want them to be.
Skyrim is a gud game, fuck the haters.
It might have poor quests and everything else but at least everything happening is presented as RL-like NPC or world interaction, or at least something you can reenact while larping.
Have fun trying to larp all the gamist shit obviously happening in DA:I.
Also Skyrim combat might be floaty and extremely unbalanced (like the rest of the game, Bethesda cannot into balancing games, the most fun are the ones where they didn't even try it), but at least I know what the fuck is going on.
And it isn't a single protagonist game disguised as a party based game like this turd. Why even have a party if you don't have to think about tactics and character building?
Let me guess, because romance. :Gaider on a dick unicorn:
And then in Skyrim at least there are lots of towns with lots of NPCs with lots of (not that great) stories to tell, not just empty wilderness areas full of mobs. So Bethesturd at least tried, which is more than can be said about these Ass Creed lickers over at Biowhore.
Skyrim, even unmodded, is an RPG. You have to actually talk to people, touch and move things to get stuff done, all while leveling your build (and this is the first TES game where char build decisions actually matter on the long run because limited amount of perks). Here it seems the build doesn't matter at all as long as you grind enough XP and half or even more of the content is presented through cutscenes, ingame achievements (what the actual fuuuuuuu?????) and codex or whatever list entries you stumble upon while "exploring".
There are nearly no cutscenes in Skyrim, which is something one can't value high enough in this day and age.
It might have poor quests and everything else but at least everything happening is presented as RL-like NPC or world interaction, or at least something you can reenact while larping.
Have fun trying to larp all the gamist shit obviously happening in DA:I.
Also Skyrim combat might be floaty and extremely unbalanced (like the rest of the game, Bethesda cannot into balancing games, the most fun are the ones where they didn't even try it), but at least I know what the fuck is going on.
And it isn't a single protagonist game disguised as a party based game like this turd. Why even have a party if you don't have to think about tactics and character building?
Let me guess, because romance. :Gaider on a dick unicorn:
And then in Skyrim at least there are lots of towns with lots of NPCs with lots of (not that great) stories to tell, not just empty wilderness areas full of mobs. So Bethesturd at least tried, which is more than can be said about these Ass Creed lickers over at Biowhore.
Skyrim, even unmodded, is an RPG. You have to actually talk to people, touch and move things to get stuff done, all while leveling your build (and this is the first TES game where char build decisions actually matter on the long run because limited amount of perks). Here it seems the build doesn't matter at all as long as you grind enough XP and half or even more of the content is presented through cutscenes, ingame achievements (what the actual fuuuuuuu?????) and codex or whatever list entries you stumble upon while "exploring".
There are nearly no cutscenes in Skyrim, which is something one can't value high enough in this day and age.
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I never said that. I'm pretty sure Skyrim sold well despite of Beth's voice acting decisions, not because of them. Skyrim is a success because of its entire package of features, which happens to be appealing to a lot of people and was very well advertised/hyped. Can you imagine Skyrim using the same partially voice-acted dialogue as Morrowind, especially after Oblivion set the standard for full voice-acted NPCs? I don't know if it would be enough to hurt the sales significantly, or if the other features would be able to negate the backlash, but I think Beth would face a lot of criticism. Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of voice acting, in fact I mostly hate it (with few exceptions like VtM:B), but I'm not going to set myself for disappointment by expecting AAA studios to go back to partial or no voice acting, because that ain't gonna happen, period.
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Slow James
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The fact that Fallout New Vegas did well in sales (5 million is on par or exceeding sales of Bioware games) further indicates this. Similarly, a fully voiced Witcher has not been insanely more successful than non-voiced RPGs with tons of character defintion and options.
I think what RPG players really want is good content, multiple playstyles and a story that keeps them engaged by doesn't get in their way. Games that do a cinematic story like Wolf Among Us (8.5 million sales) do better than RPGs that try to offer both. Middling in the middle gives a false impression of both instead of delivering quality of either.
Lol liking skyrim
Slow James
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Who needs AAA development studios? The key is to getting studios who have to beg for money on Kickstarter and developer on a shoestring and mortgage their houses to make a game out of the poorhouse (relatively speaking) and getting them to be successful enough to be self-sufficient. A game doesn't need to spend $100 million dollars to be worth $60 to the right people. Studios like Larian, InExile and the back room of Obsidian need to get to the point where they have $10-$20 million dollar game budgets, yet mostly keep to the simplistic design philosophies.
When that particular gaming industry Delorian hits 88 mph, you're going to see some serious shit.
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OK, now I can agree with you. My favorite 2014 game (and the one where I sank most time) was Shadowrun Returns and it had no voice acting at all. These people can afford to do things "oldschool". I just don't know how scalable their model is, but I'll be happy as long as they keep releasing.
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and we are both aiming at double playthroughs. If we can stomach it (can't tell, I just begun, start is well presented).
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So I tried this out for a couple hours.
It's honestly not that bad - but its not an RPG. Nowhere near the abomination that DA2 was in terms of quality but not what I'm looking for in a game. Unlike DA2 I can actually imagine why a generation that's grown up with WoW, Oblivion/Skyrim, Mass effect might like this though.
It's honestly not that bad - but its not an RPG. Nowhere near the abomination that DA2 was in terms of quality but not what I'm looking for in a game. Unlike DA2 I can actually imagine why a generation that's grown up with WoW, Oblivion/Skyrim, Mass effect might like this though.
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Not that I care about sales numbers, but it seems that it did sell well.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-01-27-skyrim-has-sold-over-20-million-copies
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