The Dragon Age: Inquisition Thread

[DeepOcean]

Newfag obvious ignorant stuff.

Jesus... troll/ignorant person.

Go here:

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9453 (Baldur's Gate 2 on fourth place? Dragon Age: Origins? In there too? We are so much nihilist Bioware haters, maybe if Bioware make a good RPG for a change, we like it... think on this revolutionary notion.)

Play those games on that list then return here.

Still don't understand why we are pissed off with Bioware and still think we are "insecure, nihilists, homophobics without a real opinion that hate David Gaider because he is too handsome?
Go here:
http://www.rpgwatch.com/

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

David Gaider's earlobes should be a romance option.

 

[dryan]

I don't judge games by what they did not deliver or by what they actually are not.

Neither do I, and neither did Grunker .

 

[IncendiaryDevice]

Intermission

As you were...

 

[Lhynn]

I beat origins on the highest difficulty playing solo without dying once. mages were gods in that game.

 

[Azarkon]

As opposed to the greatness that was Aerie giving birth and stuffing the kid into a backpack? And yet I don't recall hordes of fans complaining about delusional writing, maybe because it came together (bad pun intended) with an underaged blonde?
I don't doubt that Inqusition is mediocre at best (but that would be enough, I have low standards :D), but Bioware delivering 50 shades of questionable romances is nothing new. There is no decline or incline here, save for pixel porn.

Eh, it had less to do with the blonde than her voice actress. It's not though IE graphics back in the day were capable of eliciting virtual boners. I didn't find Aerie attractive whatsoever, but Kath Soucie's voice circa 2000,

She also did the narration for IWD 2.

Modern Bio games, by contrast, are all on the 'accented VA best VA' train.

 

[Raghar]

David Gaider's earlobes should be a romance option.

Romanced with a knife?

 

[Raghar]

Actually that's an interesting linguistic question. Is it romanced by, or romanced with?

 

[Azarkon]

Same with Irenicus, actually. Writing was mediocre at best, but damn did David Warner make it work.

 

[Grunker]

Grunker said

Some of the best stuff we have came out because of restrictions. Just look at all the old devs saying they only made the great games they did because they couldn't live out their sucky vision and had to deal with "restrictions" like turn-based

I hope this sentence is at least half irony..

eh, no? Why would it be? It's a completely uncontroversial fact that many great things were done because artists got creative within the restrictions of a given medium. There's a whole genre of movies named after trying to work within ridicoulous restrictions to get interesting results.

EDIT: by the way Shadenuat, I didn't say it was executed well in DA2, just that it was an interesting premise and concept compared to all other plot's BioWare has done.

 

[Sammael7]

Newfag obvious ignorant stuff.

Jesus... troll/ignorant person.

Go here:

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9453 (Baldur's Gate 2 on fourth place? Dragon Age: Origins? In there too? We are so much nihilist Bioware haters, maybe if Bioware make a good RPG for a change, we like it... think on this revolutionary notion.)

Play those games on that list then return here.

Still don't understand why we are pissed off with Bioware and still think we are "insecure, nihilists, homophobics without a real opinion that hate David Gaider because he is too handsome?
Go here:
http://www.rpgwatch.com/

I should have been more specific. Many here are against all the recent bioware stuff. Mass effect 3/dragon age inquisition. People are happy to throw support and praise for smaller studios that make rpgs, but after being attached to EA coupled with the ME3 ending, people went insane with the bioware hatred. I only consider da2 hatred legitimate, and perhaps swtor, though at least parts of that were fine.

 

[Sammael7]

Same with Irenicus, actually. Writing was mediocre at best, but damn did David Warner make it work.

Irenicus had david warner, and he was a mage villain, which are inherently more powerful and imposing because the big bad is not twirling a metal stick, he is flinging balls of disintegration at his enemies. No other bioware game since has had a villain that well realized, mostly because of the voice actor.


edit:

The dialog was great for irenicus too, he sounded appropriately arrogant and dismissive, like a god dealing with a series of peasants that were beneath him, and they WERE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYnyyrVcnE#t=4m2s

 

[Morality Games]

Well, I'm about 3 hours in. So far I'm hovering between bored and politely interested. I might be getting too old to enjoy games this simple. Hopefully building your forces and watching the Inquisition grow is fun, because the combat is mostly just irritating me.

 

[eremita]

As far as the ambiance and general gameplay and story so far though... it is worlds better than da2. As such, any and all people here saying this is worse than da2, either have terrible TERRIBLE taste, or are flat out lying. I assume the latter is true, I assume most people don't have taste that bad to actually prefer da2 to this.

Depends on what you want. DA2 is still a tactical, party-based RPG... it's just a realllllllllllllly shitty one. This game is a console style action RPG with shitty MMO quests. I guess it would be a good Assassin's Creed game. I dunno.

Personally I would suggest playing neither.

Actually, they say it's almost entirely about politics, mainly templars vs mages consflict.

Spoiler

After those 10-15 hours of fetch quests.

 

[Shadenuat]

eh, no? Why would it be? It's a completely uncontroversial fact that many great things were done because artists got creative within the restrictions of a given medium.

I don't see anyone working on something else than they'd rather do as a positive thing, and DA2 doesn't look like a worthy example of that sort of work. It's better when developer is true to his work. Looking at how limited budget and time turned DA2 into a wreck, is that point really worth to bring up?

EDIT: by the way Shadenuat, I didn't say it was executed well in DA2, just that it was an interesting premise and concept compared to all other plot's BioWare has done.

Compared to all others, well okay maybe, if we're talking fresh or new.

 

[Monkeysattva]

I haven't played the game, but I've seen four 30 min-ish videos on Youtube. The writing is AWFUL. I mean ROMANCE NOVEL levels of bad.

You show up with this mark on your hand, and these fuck-tards let you lead an army?!!! And suddenly you are "the herald of Andraste"? - That basically turns the story of the older games (primarily Origns) into mush. (And I liked a lot about the setting. The Chantry, The Templars, though generic, grew on me.)

 

[hell bovine]

BG2 mages were much more overpowered than Origin's. You didn't even need a party, a single high level mage could anihilate everything.

They were, I don't think DA:O would have been as easy to solo as BG. But it has more to do with AI and encounters. They were powerful but I think other classes were still useful, like for times when you meet an adamantine golem or something. In DA:O though everyone can be killed by anything right from level 1 with shit like Winter Grasp. Mages don't have a power curve they just kill stuff right away from beginning to the end.

Yeah, but if you compare it with level 1 mages in BG, where you had spells like sleep, and you'd score an automatic hit against sleeping targets... I actually played a bit with a solo sorceress with the Stratagems mod and the game got very easy quickly. A BG2 mage didn't need anyone, since you could even melee better due to the time stopping mechanics and that ridiculous shapeshifting spell. Without mods AI in BG was not very memorable, I don't recall a single unmodded fight.

As opposed to the greatness that was Aerie giving birth and stuffing the kid into a backpack? And yet I don't recall hordes of fans complaining about delusional writing, maybe because it came together (bad pun intended) with an underaged blonde?
I don't doubt that Inqusition is mediocre at best (but that would be enough, I have low standards :D), but Bioware delivering 50 shades of questionable romances is nothing new. There is no decline or incline here, save for pixel porn.

Eh, it had less to do with the blonde than her voice actress. It's not though IE graphics back in the day were capable of eliciting virtual boners. I didn't find Aerie attractive whatsoever, but Kath Soucie's voice circa 2000,

She also did the narration for IWD 2.

Modern Bio games, by contrast, are all on the 'accented VA best VA' train.

My point is, people focusing on the dick and complaining about shitty gay romances as a decline - Bioware romances were always shitty. It's just that they went from heterosexual only to bisexual, and finally gay. Which is something I agree with, spreading the misery is the definition of equality.

 

[Shadenuat]

Yeah, but if you compare it with level 1 mages in BG, where you had spells like sleep, and you'd score an automatic hit against sleeping targets...

You still don't have an option of gulping lyrium potion to restore all your Sleep's back, for example. In DA:O it's just Stun>DD>gulp, Stun>DD>gulp, repeat for any enemy. Mana Clash occasionally.

 

[Erebus]

While watching RK sink ever deeper into madness is a cherished Codex tradition, I kinda hope somebody will decide to make a genuine (and non-video !) LP of this game.

 

[Morality Games]

I haven't played the game, but I've seen four 30 min-ish videos on Youtube. The writing is AWFUL. I mean ROMANCE NOVEL levels of bad.

You show up with this mark on your hand, and these fuck-tards let you lead an army?!!! And suddenly you are "the herald of Andraste"? - That basically turns the story of the older games (primarily Origns) into mush. (And I liked a lot about the setting. The Chantry, The Templars, though generic, grew on me.)

The implausible part isn't that they give you command of the Inquisition, it's that anybody is bothering to challenge you at all.

In those historical moments where one person or faction suddenly becomes the key to a knot of problems (social, military, political, etc), the established powers of the status quo nearly always ingratiate themselves with that person. A prolific example would be Hernan Cortes and Montezuma during the Age of Discovery. Frankly, if this was happening in the real world, the moment the player character was discovered he would be made a member of the peerage, possibly a duke, as the kings of various nations attempted to secure his loyalty to seal Fade Portals in their own countries at the expense of the others.

 

[imweasel]

Followed a link on reddit and stumbled upon this (weird, but not NSFW):

Spoiler

John Epler - Intersectional feminist. Increasingly curmudgeony. Lead Cinematic Designer on Dragon Age franchise. Social Justice Sorcerer.

It's not surprising that DA:I is shit when you have people like this working at Bioware.

 

[Ninjerk]

Pretty funny use of stupid, sexy Flanders even if the person is likely insufferable.

 

[hell bovine]

Yeah, but if you compare it with level 1 mages in BG, where you had spells like sleep, and you'd score an automatic hit against sleeping targets...

You still don't have an option of gulping lyrium potion to restore all your Sleep's back, for example. In DA:O it's just Stun>DD>gulp, Stun>DD>gulp, repeat for any enemy. Mana Clash occasionally.

No, but you could get sleeping wands quite early in the game. And then the summoning&fireball wands. And while in Origins a mage could have the best defense in the game, in BG2 you could make your mage literally invincible, while able to spam multiple spells at the same time. And I doubt even that storm spell combination from Origins comes close to the evil wish spell options in BG2 when t comes to anihilating entire areas.

 

[Drakron]

Yeah, but if you compare it with level 1 mages in BG, where you had spells like sleep, and you'd score an automatic hit against sleeping targets... I actually played a bit with a solo sorceress with the Stratagems mod and the game got very easy quickly.

Two things.

First, Sorcerer wasnt in BG1 as it was a BG2 class included along with other 3rd Ed classes.

Second, D&D had rest per day so your casting had a price, mages at low levels are pretty much one hit wonders that cannot take much abuse as you cannot spam Sleep unless you want to finish your quest with the rest of the party having gained a Wis bonus due to old age.

A BG2 mage didn't need anyone, since you could even melee better due to the time stopping mechanics and that ridiculous shapeshifting spell. Without mods AI in BG was not very memorable, I don't recall a single unmodded fight.

Spellcasters at higher levels are simply ridiculous overpowered, this always been the case in D&D but that is assuming they get that high level and there is also the case at lv 10+ you pretty much fighting mystical beasts and enemies, Classes always had their own power curve, Fighters shine at low level and peak at lv 10 and this is why each class had their own XP tables back in 2nd since they knew otherwise things would get out of whack.

You are talking about mods when you already appear to be using the Enhanced Editors that added a lot of shit apparently.

 

[Malpercio]

Mission of the day! Rescue a group of (boy?)scouts that got kidnapped by some dude who wants to challenge you.


Alright. We set of to traverse the swamp and fight... fight... fight some more. You would expect a swamp filled with undead to have some cool side-quest, right? Nope! There a total of 1 NPC in with like 5 lines of dialogue. The "coolest" thing I did was lighting some magical bacons.

Alright, so we head to the boss dude, and of course there is going to be some cs were you can talk to him (since he did this to challenge you, is the whole reason you are in this zone!), maybe challenge him to 1&1 fight? Nope!

As soon you enter in the castle room he literally starts to attack you.

WHAT THE FUCK.

Even fucking Icewinter Dale had some pre-battle dialogue!