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Bloom's coming off the rose a bit for me now. Even though I like the exploration I'm not really enjoying the combat. Losing interest in playing.
Same scenario for me, losing interest too.

Maybe it says more about me than the game, but I'm finding it hard enough that it's becoming more frustrating than fun. I can see why people like it, but replaying the same sections over and over gets old very quickly. I don't think I'll give up yet but it's wearing thin pretty quickly; the trial-and-error gameplay isn't really my thing, I guess. That and I'll openly admit that I suck at it.
Pretty much this. I'm not giving up on it just yet (want to try playing with a pad first), but given my limited free time and the amount of good games in my backlog, it is hard to stay hooked after dying for the fifth time in the same spot due to jerky controls. It's a little better when playing on keyboard alone, as at least then simple running around does not give me a nausea, but reduced maneuverability means I can only effectively fight regular mobs like this.
 

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I just FINALLY beated the two knights and got the Lordvessel, where the fuck is the DLC ccontent? I thought it would be blended in the game, with more weapons, armors & enemies, not so hidden and late in the game...

I think it's off ash lake
 

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Bloom's coming off the rose a bit for me now. Even though I like the exploration I'm not really enjoying the combat. Losing interest in playing.
Same scenario for me, losing interest too.

Maybe it says more about me than the game, but I'm finding it hard enough that it's becoming more frustrating than fun. I can see why people like it, but replaying the same sections over and over gets old very quickly. I don't think I'll give up yet but it's wearing thin pretty quickly; the trial-and-error gameplay isn't really my thing, I guess. That and I'll openly admit that I suck at it.
Pretty much this. I'm not giving up on it just yet (want to try playing with a pad first), but given my limited free time and the amount of good games in my backlog, it is hard to stay hooked after dying for the fifth time in the same spot due to jerky controls. It's a little better when playing on keyboard alone, as at least then simple running around does not give me a nausea, but reduced maneuverability means I can only effectively fight regular mobs like this.
It does get boring if you stay in one spot too long, either because you insist on bashing your head against an obstacle (bridge dragon in my case; srsly fu) or you're trying to comb a level and end up grinding the same mobs over and over again. Good news is that you have options. Just leave and explore another part of the world to keep it fresh. Right now I have 4 or 5 areas open to me, so when I get bored of getting toasted by the dragon I run past it and do something else. I love the level design, how interconnected everything is. Just when you think you've strayed too far from your bonfire and will likely die at the next turn because your flask is empty you find a shortcut that takes you back to a safe spot and you breathe a sigh of relief because you won't have to grind through all those mobs again and can keep exploring. I marvel at the lever designers' ingenuity.

What pisses me off though is that I'll apparently spend the entire game fighting with the old club. Doesn't fit a knight at all, but it just owns everything.
 

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Installed this today, and to my surprise it actually runs on my glorified abacus. Well even. Some slowdown here or there but it runs better than it did on the 360.

Was planning on trying a rapier build but I got a lucky drop off one of the black knights so I cranked str instead and decided to go way off the beaten path. Order of events went something like Taurus > Gargoyles > Butterfly> New Londo drained > Hydra > Sif (without breaking the seal... felt pretty badass) > Abyss (but I pussied out of actually trying to fight the boss there, quite a lot gained on the way though) >Quelag. I think tomorrow I'll try taking on the four kings. I'm too :obviously: to dirty myself in the sewers now.
 

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What pisses me off though is that I'll apparently spend the entire game fighting with the old club. Doesn't fit a knight at all, but it just owns everything.
You can bug out the dragon apparently with Bow&Arrows, and you get a nice "Drake Sword" (200 Dmg) for shooting off its tail from under the bridge, just buy the Short Bow + lots'o'arrows from the Undead Merchant guy, get under the bridge and zoom in/shoot at its tail till it falls off xD (might require 20-40 arrows depending).
Although that shit seems to break rather quick :/
 

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Just finished with Ornstein and Smough, still the best fight in the game. They're hard as nails but it's just such a well designed and fucking fun battle.
 

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Met the two Gargyoles, and almost managed to win the fight at my first attempt.

Either way, this game is glorious and evokes joy inside me that I only felt with games back in the 90s, before the popamole started. Can't wait for FROMs next game.
 

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What pisses me off though is that I'll apparently spend the entire game fighting with the old club. Doesn't fit a knight at all, but it just owns everything.
You can bug out the dragon apparently with Bow&Arrows, and you get a nice "Drake Sword" for shooting off its tail from under the bridge, just buy the Short Bow + lots'o'arrows from the Undead Merchant guy, get under the bridge and zoom in/shoot at its tail till it falls off xD (might require 20-40 arrows depending).
Although that shit seems to break rather quick :/
Unfortunately I had the drake sword trick spoiled for me early so I try to stay away from it; would feel cheap. It doesn't scale with stats anyway from what I hear, so my club probably outdamages it by now. I found all sorts of heavy weapons that would fit my strength build perfectly (and now I got a ring that allows me to equip them and the heaviest armor) but they are so slow and unwieldy. And they all lack the nifty jump attack of the club.
 

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More thoughts: I also love how the game follows the mantra "less is more" so brilliantly. Unlike western games, which are all obnoxiously loud (Reloading! Flank him! Grenade!!!), DS is a quite game where everybody just shuts the fuck up and dies like a good soldier. :salute:
 
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One thing that just hit me is: For all of Dark Souls "toughness", From is not afraid of making something easy. Imagine the look on a "nextgen" developer's face if you suggested that a boss should be easy to defeat through certain tactics or playstyles. They'd probably have a heart attack. Imagine if you suggested that a huge boss the size of a building should simply kill itself if the player runs away from him. "No, we put so much work into it, the player needs to fight it so they can appreciate it". Even though the games they make are easy, the worst thing about modern game design is probably that everything has to be equally hard for everyone, there are never any easy ways out allowed to give personality to the fights.
 

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What pisses me off though is that I'll apparently spend the entire game fighting with the old club. Doesn't fit a knight at all, but it just owns everything.
You can bug out the dragon apparently with Bow&Arrows, and you get a nice "Drake Sword" for shooting off its tail from under the bridge, just buy the Short Bow + lots'o'arrows from the Undead Merchant guy, get under the bridge and zoom in/shoot at its tail till it falls off xD (might require 20-40 arrows depending).
Although that shit seems to break rather quick :/
Unfortunately I had the drake sword trick spoiled for me early so I try to stay away from it; would feel cheap. It doesn't scale with stats anyway from what I hear, so my club probably outdamages it by now. I found all sorts of heavy weapons that would fit my strength build perfectly (and now I got a ring that allows me to equip them and the heaviest armor) but they are so slow and unwieldy. And they all lack the nifty jump attack of the club.
What club are you using? I haven't tried using many of the clubs, hammers and maces.
 

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Ok, managed to run it after battle with GFWL, with res fix game looks good for an shitty port (why they really bother with rendering res lock?). And plays fine with pad.
So far the game is more annoying (loosing shit and peddling back to get it) than difficult. And combat is nice, walking in heavy armor really feels good
 

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Loving the game so far, but can't believe that the horrible port made me buy a controller (my first one since my snes days).
I'm struggling a bit with the camera controls after rebinding everything with xpadder: The pad has the xbox layout and I'm controlling the camera with my right stick. However it actually is quite a pain, very often if you move around corners or get up stair etc. you constantly need to readjust the camera, which is suboptimal at best when new skelettons are thrown right in your face. Was it that akward on consoles as well or is it just my pad?

Gameplay wise: Beat the Taurus demon in 4 or 5 hits with my Zweihander without much effort but get 2 and 1 shotted respectively by the dark knight and the fat dude with the club at the bottom of the tower. Also beating the Taurus demon just brings me to a dragon and a locked door so I can't really progress. Pumped mainly strength and endurance (strength 20, endurance 15, vitality 15) with the knight background. Whats the best way to progress or do I need to level up more?
 

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Order of events went something like Taurus > Gargoyles > Butterfly> New Londo drained > Hydra > Sif (without breaking the seal... felt pretty badass) > Abyss (but I pussied out of actually trying to fight the boss there, quite a lot gained on the way though) >Quelag. I think tomorrow I'll try taking on the four kings. I'm too :obviously: to dirty myself in the sewers now.
Very :obviously: order indeed, I hate Sif and usually leave him after Ornstein and Smough or even further....

Imagine if you suggested that a huge boss the size of a building should simply kill itself if the player runs away from him.
I must have killed this guy like 5 times the "hard way" until I accidentally killed him like that after I grabbed the loot and runned like a maniac. Very funny WTF mooment. :lol:

Still, I think both Gaping Dragon and the Capra Demon needed to be patched or something; Gaping Dragon I can kill naked without ever being hit, while Capra Demon is an asshole and a very hard fight that blocks you from a easy as fuck area, UNLESS you kill him like a sissy...

I think it's off ash lake
Nope, I remenber reading something like that too, but there is nothing new on the lake...
 

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The pad has the xbox layout and I'm controlling the camera with my right stick. However it actually is quite a pain, very often if you move around corners or get up stair etc. you constantly need to readjust the camera, which is suboptimal at best when new skelettons are thrown right in your face. Was it that akward on consoles as well or is it just my pad?
You're holding it incorrectly, bro. Here's what our resident expert suggests:

Just do this with your controller, Einstein. FFS, 8-year-old Paintmaster consolekiddie figured it out.

2wf8n6u.jpg
 

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get 2 and 1 shotted respectively by the dark knight and the fat dude with the club at the bottom of the tower.
To me those Dark Knights are simply perfect in design, they are tough, great looking and fight in avery elegant way; they offer a challenge, but a skilled player can kill them even with very shitty gear and fell awesome as fuck. Demon's Soul had those red-eyed kinghts, but the design on Dark Soul's is way superior.

Whats the best way to progress or do I need to level up more?
try the dragon at the bridge, but don't fight ;)
 
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Still, I think both Gaping Dragon and the Capra Demon needed to be patched or something; Gaping Dragon I can kill naked without ever being hit, while Capra Demon is an asshole and a very hard fight that blocks you from a easy as fuck area, UNLESS you kill him like a sissy...

Capra could probably use an NPC summon, even a weak one. All you need is about 15s to kill the dogs, but those 15s are almost purely luck based. As it is you can see summoning signs winking in and out of existence constantly, because it's by far the best way to get around the problem.

Gaping... yeah. meh.
 

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The pad has the xbox layout and I'm controlling the camera with my right stick. However it actually is quite a pain, very often if you move around corners or get up stair etc. you constantly need to readjust the camera, which is suboptimal at best when new skelettons are thrown right in your face. Was it that akward on consoles as well or is it just my pad?
You're holding it incorrectly, bro. Here's what our resident expert suggests:

Just do this with your controller, Einstein. FFS, 8-year-old Paintmaster consolekiddie figured it out.

2wf8n6u.jpg


I guess its sarcasm, but you are supposed to control the camera with the right stick and not the left one right?
 

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What club are you using? I haven't tried using many of the clubs, hammers and maces.
The Reinforced Club you can buy from the merchant at the start of Undead Burg for like 300 souls. Though I started using a claymore now as well against groups/lightly armored enemies. But the club is still king against armored/shielded foes. It kills those stone knights in the garden in one hit.

Btw. how does stat scaling actually work? If a weapon scales with both str and dex, does it take the average of the two for its damage bonus? If so weapons that only scale with one stat would end up superior.
 

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Capra Demon. :x:x:x:x:x:x :rage::rage::rage:
Jesus Christ, i hate this fucker. No, in fact i hate those friggin dogs. I was trying for like a 90 minutes to beat this trio from hell, but failed like a complete retard (which i'm i guess). The beginning of this fight is just too random for my taste. Now i'm grinding souls to enchance my chain armor set in hope, that it will help me a bit. I totally :love: this game, but fuck that minotaur piece of shit. : x

Also: Durante is awesome. While using version 0.3 of his fix, i had some FPS drops while rotating camera, but with version 0.4 Dark Souls run like a gold on my 4 years old PC.
 
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Btw. how does stat scaling actually work? If a weapon scales with both str and dex, does it take the average of the two for its damage bonus? If so weapons that only scale with one stat would end up superior.

They gain a +% damage per point in each, it isn't averaged. The % starts getting lower as the stat gets higher though.
 
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They gain a +% damage per point in each, it isn't averaged.
Weird, then how come my club gets the biggest bonus of all my weapons, even tho it only has a C in str, while others have a C in both?

It's base damage is higher? Again, +% off base damage. An A in a weak weapon might only be as good as a C in a stronger one.

Also, the ratings are a range. Some weapons may be C+ and others may be C-, or anything in between.
 

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