The Codexian Saga LP

[Radech]

AA 1
AB 7
BA 3
BB 6

what i count so far, so BA's figure out what's most important sonata or economy or BB's for that matter, since most said they were willing to flip-flop

ps. anus_pounder please edit your first choice counted you as BA

edit: considering recent events, it appears I'm slightly retarded, so I'll rephrase:

1. A: 8
1. B: 9
2. A: 4
2. B: 13

delightful, seems sonata is safe and well, and all that remains is to quarrel over what to do with those newfangled force-thingamajigs

 

[obediah]

AA 1
AB 7
BA 3
BB 6

what i count so far, so BA's figure out what's most important sonata or economy or BB's for that matter, since most said they were willing to flip-flop

ps. anus_pounder please edit your first choice counted you as BA

Nice work, but you failed to read the directions. The choices are independent.

 

[Nickless]

AA 1
AB 7
BA 3
BB 6

what i count so far, so BA's figure out what's most important sonata or economy or BB's for that matter, since most said they were willing to flip-flop

ps. anus_pounder please edit your first choice counted you as BA

Nice work, but you failed to read the directions. The choices are independent.

I couldn't see that specified in Barb's post. Where did you get that?

 

[Sergiu64]

Voting BB.

 

[The Barbarian]

The Barbarian can confirm that the choices will be collated, once again, due to the interrelated nature of the options.

 

[Ulminati]

Meh, I'm still torn between AB and BB. It's the possiblity of a fatal flaw in the shields and breaking our economy vs. the enemy learning of our shield tech and the raumen rebellion being crushed before we act.

Tough choices all abound. Huge to the barbarian for making them all so simple, and yet so difficult.

 

[Nickless]

The enemy -still- doesn't have access to our stealth tech, which we've had for, it must be centuries now; it seems logical to conclude that if they have infiltrated our data-networks, they would have implemented that technology a long, long time ago. Then again, the Raumen have managed to infiltrate our government to some level, but it hasn't been demonstrated that they've access to our technology, only basic knowledge of our major strategic operations, suggesting that this is an issue amongst the lower echelons of command (Still, a big concern)

 

[Ulminati]

The enemy -still- doesn't have access to our stealth tech, it seems logical to conclude that if they have infiltrated our data-networks, they would have implemented that technology a long, long time ago. Then again, the Raumen have managed to infiltrate our government to some level, but it hasn't been demonstrated that they've access to our technology, only basic knowledge of our major strategic operations (Still, a big concern)

This is actually a very pertinent point. Can the barbarian confirm that Codexia (and the phyrr, naturally) are the only races who employ stealth ships after all this time? If so, I'll flip-flip to BB

 

[anus_pounder]

Voting

B B

 

[obediah]

AA 1
AB 7
BA 3
BB 6

what i count so far, so BA's figure out what's most important sonata or economy or BB's for that matter, since most said they were willing to flip-flop

ps. anus_pounder please edit your first choice counted you as BA

Nice work, but you failed to read the directions. The choices are independent.

I couldn't see that specified in Barb's post. Where did you get that?

Because they weren't explicitly linked, and the that should be the default. Plus shield-refitting schedule and high level foreign policy shouldn't be coupled. right?

The Barbarian can confirm that the choices will be collated, once again, due to the interrelated nature of the options.

Oh, well fuck me. Now I'm the idiot. I change my vote to BB to save ourselves the embarrassment of seeing our entire fleet wiped out in seven months because of a shield prototype failure.

 

[anus_pounder]

Flip Flopping BACK to
B B. Editing every other post of mine to since I can't delete them.

 

[BethesdaLove]

Now that I know that my AA vote is moot since votes are collated, I flipflop to AB (may BB never win!)

 

[laclongquan]

The threat of Hiin steal our tech is a long term concern. The threat of Hiin invasion is quite immediate, however. We need a strong offensive fleet in order to defeat them and bring the war back to their doorstep. which is why I propose to equip shield tech immediately. We NEED a shielded fleet to be ready for either defensive or offensive strategy.

The more we invest in new tech and new fleet, the less we bleed on battlefield. And bleed we will in this war against the Hiin. Still there is a difference between a ruinous victory and an expensive victory. I'd rather pay now than pay more later.

 

[Brotherman Bill]

I'd like to remind you guys that most of Conans updates spans much more than 3 years.

Also the hin'in will probably need some time to consolidate their holdins in Raumen territory before they dare attacking us. Unless we're gonna actively intervene in Raumen territory (something I though the rest of you cowards didn't want to) there is no point in rushing this. 2-3 years will let us outfit our fleet soon enough. And, we will have the benefit of testing it a bit more.

 

[laclongquan]

Sigh!

My fellow councillors, this is a speech I dread to make. But it's needful, so let's make the best of it.

We have been through many wars over the course of our interstellar conquest. The Raumen war, The Phyr war, The Turanei war- short though it was, our own civil war, The Raumen-Hiin three cornered war, and now the Hiin war. We've proved our mastery of war, our willingness to fight and to bleed. The Raumen war we fought to a victorious end, the Phyr war lead to a big step jump forward in territory and prestige, and etc. But the Hiin war is different from all of those aspects.

In this war against the Hiin we are the underdog. They outnumber us. Their telepathy make them better in tactical battles. We can take them if we devote resources, will, and minds to it but there's some reality we have to face. If the Hiin ever concentrate a large portion of their fleet they can use it to defeat us in both quantity and quality. This war is bloody to an extreme I doubt any of us can imagine fully.

We could avoid that ocean of blood and sacrifice. We could bow down to the Hiin and become their submissive slaves. they prove that they can rule with light hands on Raumen. But is that a price we can stomach?

We have no margin, no give in this matter. To win we will have to devote our life, our souls, our fortunes. Nothing left. We must decisively defeat them so that the defeated Hiin can no longer threaten humankind any more.

This is no time to speak of economic prosperity. This is no time to speak of petty squabbles with our fellow men and women.
This is time for unity, for common front against the biggest threat since the birth of Codexia.

We will show the Hiin that we have honors, that we wont kneel down before anyone. That victory is ours for the taking.

Viva Codexia!

 

[taplonaplo]

Funny that you talk about unifying while breaking the economy. That worked out really well with the Commos didn't it?

 

[Conkrete Knight]

BA
Just to make that new fleet usefull someway, as in "the big stick".

Also as for the commo being a meatshield: Do you really think the Hin'in wont search for a weak point? You know like attacking US first?

And what would the commo do? Rush to our aid ?

 

[treave]

Outfitting the warships quickly doesn't mean we will use them in a battle of aggression immediately.

Conversely, being cautious in the installation of the shields does not rule out the launching of any crusades on the Hin'in in that 3 year period of time.

I would suggest to our dear councillors not to read more into the options than is necessary.

Put all thoughts of economics, politics and religion aside, and focus on the issue at hand here, which is simple: do we rush the adoption of an unknown and barely tested technological breakthrough?

 

[obediah]

Sigh!

My fellow councillors, this is a speech I dread to make. But it's needful, so let's make the best of it.

How can you be so sure that the Hin'in will attack in 6-24 months? An attack in less than six months would leave us nearly defenseless under your plan. How can you be sure that planned manufacturing process will not fall behind schedule? These military projects run over often and could leave us with half our fleet torn down for a year or more. Why are you willing to risk our entire future on a revolutionary technology that hasn't even been tested in the field? Open you history books and read of the problems encountered with rush producing such technology!

 

[Ulminati]

In light of the fact that apparently noone but us or the phyrr posess stealth tech, I am gong to consider our military intelligence networks secure enough to justify flip-flopping to BB. AB might still be viable, but BB seems the more sensible bet. I've edited my original voting post to reflect this.

 

[laclongquan]

6-9 months are just a necessary period to arrange logistics in place, reinforce existing fleets up to strength after the recent loss, train together for maximum effiency to prepare for a major campaign. If they can do quicker than that we are fucked no matter what.

Incidentally, 6-9 months are enough to completely rebuild our fleet to pre-conflict strength and train. Apply techs or not we still have to do this. No time for slack here.

That's why I so strongly propose for 'Shielded Fleet Now!". This is both windows of opportunity and the lull before storms.

 

[obediah]

BA
Just to make that new fleet usefull someway, as in "the big stick".

Also as for the commo being a meatshield: Do you really think the Hin'in wont search for a weak point? You know like attacking US first?

And what would the commo do? Rush to our aid ?

BA is a dead vote, sir Knight. The cowards among us have secured the handover of Sonata to the wretched commo. To make sure the we don't proceed with this reckless pace of adoption of unproven tech, vote BB today!

 

[Nickless]

BA
Just to make that new fleet usefull someway, as in "the big stick".

Also as for the commo being a meatshield: Do you really think the Hin'in wont search for a weak point? You know like attacking US first?

And what would the commo do? Rush to our aid ?

The Commo border the Raumen expanse, not us. They will need logistical support to reach our coreworlds, and they can only get that by claiming Commonwealth territory, which will take time to acquire, assuming they even go for a rushed attack so soon after internal turmoil.

 

[Conkrete Knight]

The Commo border the Raumen expanse, not us. They will need logistical support to reach our coreworlds, and they can only get that by claiming Commonwealth territory, which will take time to acquire, assuming they even go for a rushed attack so soon after internal turmoil.

Ah, well I was not sure of that.
So they are meatshields?
Nice.

Not changing my vote this time.
We do have the peace and quiet to press the upgrading.
I am not entirely sure though that the economy is going to hold, even if it is fueld by fanatic hatred.

 

[The Barbarian]

The update will be out tomorrow.