SW:TOR

[felipepepe]

http://consumerist.com/2012/02/star...shes-computers-even-when-its-not-running.html

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=252808

So good.

In B4 BioWare (or BioDrones) start to list "optimal-PC-setups for running SW:TOR", like some professional programs do...

"Hey guyz, avoid using anything besides a dual-core PC with 4GB and a NVIDIA card, we won't really offer much support for anything besides it".

"Thanks, now I can ask mom to upgrade my i7 to an optimal SW:TOR PC!"

 

[Average Manatee]

I'm surprised Bioware hasn't already closed their forums so that only TOR players can access them (as they did with DA2).

Unless SW:TOR leaves some sort of DRM active on the background when the game is not running, saying that a game causes your computer to crash when it's not running only shows how ignorant such people are.

Not that it makes SW:TOR any better.

Could easily mess up some common system files unrelated to DRM. Throw one DLL file into windows directory instead of the game directory or something. Not that that should ever happen with a competent developer but... well... Bioware.

 

[Black]

Unless SW:TOR leaves some sort of DRM active on the background when the game is not running, saying that a game causes your computer to crash when it's not running only shows how ignorant such people are.

Not that it makes SW:TOR any better.

Could easily mess up some common system files unrelated to DRM. Throw one DLL file into windows directory instead of the game directory or something. Not that that should ever happen with a competent developer but... well... Bioware.

Yeah, didn't Pool of Radiance 2 fuck up users' PC pretty hard?

 

[DraQ]

So you wipe your ass with DVDs? No wonder you're so butthurt.

it's true. but I can't seem to do it any other way. digital distribution is a serious threat to my anal bloodletting.

Digital distribution can be countered with digital bloodletting. Just don't trim your fingernails.

 

[Zed]

Unless SW:TOR leaves some sort of DRM active on the background when the game is not running, saying that a game causes your computer to crash when it's not running only shows how ignorant such people are.

Not that it makes SW:TOR any better.

Could easily mess up some common system files unrelated to DRM. Throw one DLL file into windows directory instead of the game directory or something. Not that that should ever happen with a competent developer but... well... Bioware.

Yeah, didn't Pool of Radiance 2 fuck up users' PC pretty hard?

I remember hearing about people losing system files when uninstalling the game.

 

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Wait, Bioware somehow managed to take an old internet joke (about games so bad they harm the computer) and make it a reality?

 

[Black]

Pretty oldschool, no? Isn't that what we wanted?

 

[Mangoose]

The guy who wrote the article concluding that crashes happen even after uninstall had this happen on his... $4k Alienware computer.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

People who know what they're doing with computers often spend thousands of dollars on pre-made machines. If you really know computers then you know how important it is they are made by professionals.

 

[dextermorgan]

People who know what they're doing with computers often spend thousands of dollars on pre-made machines. If you really know computers then you know how important it is they are made by professionals.

Not in my experience. Most IT people I know assemble their own machines, or have them assembled by people they know from components they picked. The only time I (and many others) go for big names is when purchasing laptops where servicing/part availability/warranty play a much larger role. Never, ever spend money on a brand name desktop.

 

[Crispy]

I'll just leave this here.

Edit: Ha, thing just BSOD'd on me at 4.4GHz. Now I'm down to 4.0. That game definitely fucked up my computer. God damned BioFuck.

 

[Black]

I'll just leave this here.

Edit: Ha, thing just BSOD'd on me at 4.4GHz. Now I'm down to 4.0. That game definitely fucked up my computer. God damned BioFuck.

Are you serious or are you trolling both us and biodroids hardcore?

 

[Crispy]

Completely serious. Don't know if you believe me, don't really care. Shit fucked up my PC.

 

[Black]

I find it hard to believe because despite the link I posted it's hard to imagine such a fucking level of incompetence. Even from bioware. But I guess they must be good at SOMETHING. And yeah, reading through that thread someone mentioned that TOR only uses a single core, which I think it's true, since it runs on hero engine and it doesn't support (at least bioware's version) multicores. People with srs business gaming rigs get pathetic fps in areas where there aren't even that many people.

Call ea customer support, I guess, it's not like you'll get much from biodrones and your thread will probably soon be locked.

 

[Crispy]

There's no way to quantitatively determine that the game did this. I suppose it could be a coincidence. But when you combine my experience along with so many other reports of the same kind of thing going on, I don't know.

And that's even considering the typical huge amount of bawing you see when esp. a new MMO comes out. I always scoffed at that kind of thing. Now BioFuck is scoffing right back at me.

 

[Black]

There's no way to quantitatively determine that the game did this. I suppose it could be a coincidence. But when you combine my experience along with so many other reports of the same kind of thing going on, I don't know.

Even considering all the thousands of typical bawing you see when esp. a new MMO comes out. I always scoffed at that kind of thing. Now BioFuck is scoffing right back at me.

Well, if I remember correctly TOR not only uses the god awful hero-engine, it uses an unfinished version of it. I don't know if software can damage hardware, but bioware's incompetence + unfinished engine of a 3rd party can't equal anything good.

 

[Crispy]

The software can't actually damage any of the hardware directly, no, but if it overtaxes it and you (me) stupidly decide to keep it running that way for hours on end then something's going to get weaker.

I'm actually disappointed in myself that I played it for as long as I did. It is fun, but fuck, it's just another damned MMO.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Should've had a professional make your computer bro.

 

[Grunker]

Well, we'll see. I've had to BSODs since installing TOR, but they MAY just be because of bad memory. I dunno. It's just a bit suspect in the light of recent postings and the fact that the BSODs came right after exiting TOR each time.

mah computa is made by pros too because i cannot into hardware

 

[abija]

The only reason someone who knows what he's doing buys a premade is if he doesn't have access to decent shops for parts.
As proof is the moron with the 4000$ alienware who probably got the same issue as crispy the game stressed the PC and some piece chosen by a professional (read they get deals on them) gave up.

Ofc, the engine is a POS and does retarded stuff. Random example, I run with limited fps at 60 and the video card heats more on low shaders no aa than with high shaders and 8x aa. Also it might be some driver issue but the card heats more than in other games while rivatunner or ccc show gpu at 0% with minor 30% spikes which is wierd as fuck.
But still, if something breaks it's still faulty hardware.

Something else though, I used my CC to activate for a friend cause for some reason his CC isn't accepted even though he bought the game through Origin with it. Logged in his account, added my CC details activated the subscription then canceled and removed the CC. Couple of days ago he asked me again to pay for his 2nd month and surprise surprise, I didn't need to enter my CC, the system had it recorded. He can now just pay for the game with my CC without even asking me, all he needs to do is reactivate the subscription.

 

[DraQ]

Wait, Bioware somehow managed to take an old internet joke (about games so bad they harm the computer) and make it a reality?

Shit has just gone hilarious.

 

[racofer]

I'm sorry Crispy but software does not damage hardware unless it alters the BIOS or Firmware of said hardware.

Next thing I know you will agree with those guys that said Starcraft II caused their cards to fry because the main menu made the cards run at full load. Hardware is expected to work just fine under any load for any length of time as long as it's properly cooled and has a quality voltage input under stock conditions. If you push your overclock too much and then complain that a game damaged your card/cpu, it's all on you.

Not that I say SW:TOR is not a piece of shit, which it is, but blaming hardware failures on applications is stupid.

 

[racofer]

There's some hilarious shit on that thread of yours, Crispy

Swtor killed my GPU fan. I did not OC.

Character creation and choosing screens shoot up the GPU heat instantly.

Incorrect.

Unless you clean your PC at least once a month by blowing it out, you killed your CPU fan by having graphics turned up above what your system can handle.

Also, if you didn't have VSYNC on, you did it yourself. VSYNC keeps your refresh rate to 50 or 60hz depending on your monitor's refresh rate, and keeps your card from pushing to 111fps or more, driving your card to overheat and your crappy OEM factory installed fan to death.

Just as an FYI for anyone with factory cooling - unless it's a $600 to $1000 graphics card, your cooling and fans are insufficient and will eventually fail because they are five-cent Chinese junk.

That is all.

Just look at this Biodrone

If you get a game and your hardware is below the recommended specs, expect overheating if you attempt to push details to the max levels.

But what do I know, he's a MMO hotshot it seems...

 

[racofer]

More from that moron:

I have a GTS250 in my wife's computer. The cooling and fan on that are literally a five-cent POS solutution.

You realize that it's a 5 or 6 year old card and that most fans fail LONG before yours did right>?

It's just a coincidence that it failed on SWTOR, it's old, outdated, and was going to fail eventually no matter what. And yes, SWTOR is going to push that card beyond it's limits.

You realize that the 250 card is just an overclocked and reskinned 8800gts? or 9800gts? All 3 (8800, 9800, and 250) are just the exact same chips with slightly faster clock speeds and more memory on the card itself...the core architecture of the CPU is IDENTICAL.\

So yeah...the 8800 came out in 2006. SWTOR is more than maxing it out, especially if your fans picked up in speed on character select screens (MY 580GTX Lightning Xtreme's fans kick into high gear on loading screens too, but it is what it is)

Just look at this guy! Using his logic, the older the card and the more demanding the game, the more cooling you need to run said game!

Also, my ass got all wet when he mentioned his GPU, I mean, his fan has gears and shit. I bet he takes all the chicks in the lan parties

 

[CrustyBot]

Hey Crispy, is it possible that when overclocking, you kept LLC (Load Line Calibration) on?

To combat potential Vdroop (especially on higher overclocks), it kicks in and adds extra voltage on load. Over time, this could damage/degrade your CPU if the voltages it sets your CPU at are too high.

Considering how BioWare cannot into programming, it's possible that the amount of stress it puts on your PC (more than say, Skyrim) could've caused the LLC setting to set your voltage at like 1.5v+ when you play the game. Regardless of how good your cooling is (unless it's like phase changing cooler lol), I'd imagine that over time this wouldn't be healthy for the computer. Especially since you seem to be playing for long periods of time. Could lead to slight voltage leaking (requiring higher voltages to reach previously stable frequencies), shutdowns and the like.

It's a longshot, but it's the only thing I can think of right now.