Shadowrun Shadowrun Returns Pre-Release Thread

[J_C]

How can you even put quest compass in the game, when you are making an oldschool cRPG?

What happened? They made this awesome engine, great atmosphere, good combat and dialogue system, and suddenly they said: hey, do you know what is the feature which was never part of old cRPGs, but we should use it anyway? QUESTCOMPASS!

It just doesn't compute! Why are they using it anyway? I doubt the game world be we huge (like "Skyrim huge"), so it won't be hard to explore the places.

 

[General Maxson]

How can you even put quest compass in the game, when you are making an oldschool cRPG?

What happened? They made this awesome engine, great atmosphere, good combat and dialogue system, and suddenly they said: hey, do you know what is the feature which was never part of old cRPGs, but we should use it anyway? QUESTCOMPASS!

It just doesn't compute! Why are they using it anyway? I doubt the game world be we huge (like "Skyrim huge"), so it won't be hard to explore the places.

Well, they probably need to cater to their iOS crowd.

 

[Kem0sabe]

How can you even put quest compass in the game, when you are making an oldschool cRPG?

What happened? They made this awesome engine, great atmosphere, good combat and dialogue system, and suddenly they said: hey, do you know what is the feature which was never part of old cRPGs, but we should use it anyway? QUESTCOMPASS!

It just doesn't compute! Why are they using it anyway? I doubt the game world be we huge (like "Skyrim huge"), so it won't be hard to explore the places.

The pc and ios versions are 1:1, with the exception of the editor and the added pc config options, so they catered to the lowest common denominator... and it sucks (especially because you can't turn it off).

 

[J_C]

How can you even put quest compass in the game, when you are making an oldschool cRPG?

What happened? They made this awesome engine, great atmosphere, good combat and dialogue system, and suddenly they said: hey, do you know what is the feature which was never part of old cRPGs, but we should use it anyway? QUESTCOMPASS!

It just doesn't compute! Why are they using it anyway? I doubt the game world be we huge (like "Skyrim huge"), so it won't be hard to explore the places.

The pc and ios versions are 1:1, with the exception of the editor and the added pc config options, so they catered to the lowest common denominator... and it sucks (especially because you can't turn it off).

Hm, I wasn't even aware that there will be an iOS version. That doesn't bode well for the game. Downgraded my anticipation from OMG THIS GAME WILL BE AMAZING to Cautiosly optimistic.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Hopefully a large "hacking" community will rise to try to fix the shortcomings in the game, like the quest compass or the walking speed for example. They have said that mods are not possible, but who knows. Story and quest wise, i expect that itch to be scratched by the editor.

 

[Galdred]

I'd rather have them use the quest compass only when it makes sense (ie, after the shadowrunner got knowledge of said location). It would be much better to have this be some kind of ingame feature than a magic locator of everything. That said, maybe the runners can locate everything and everyone with google maps 2054

 

[almondblight]

How can you even put quest compass in the game, when you are making an oldschool cRPG?

What happened? They made this awesome engine, great atmosphere, good combat and dialogue system, and suddenly they said: hey, do you know what is the feature which was never part of old cRPGs, but we should use it anyway? QUESTCOMPASS!

It just doesn't compute! Why are they using it anyway? I doubt the game world be we huge (like "Skyrim huge"), so it won't be hard to explore the places.

Be sure to complain about it on the forums, it seems like the developers pay attention.

 

[Roguey]

How can you even put quest compass in the game, when you are making an oldschool cRPG?

They never said they were making an "old school cRPG."

Given the time constraints it is easier to just put a marker on the map instead of writing out directions that are subject to change.

 

[J_C]

How can you even put quest compass in the game, when you are making an oldschool cRPG?

They never said they were making an "old school cRPG."

Even if they didn't said that explicitly, everything shouts oldschool in this game.

Given the time constraints it is easier to just put a marker on the map instead of writing out directions that are subject to change.

They delay the game a few months. I don't care about some delay if I get a quality product in the end.

 

[evdk]

They delay the game a few months. I don't care about some delay if I get a quality product in the end.

Those few extra months of development will be paid by the devs turning tricks on a street corner somewhere of course.

 

[Roguey]

Even if they didn't said that explicitly, everything shouts oldschool in this game.

Way too much XCOM ENEMY UNKNOWN influence for it to be that. That's a new school turn based game.

They delay the game a few months. I don't care about some delay if I get a quality product in the end.

Weisman said they've already spent all the Kickstarter money "and more." June is as far as their emergency fund stretches.

 

[J_C]

Weisman said they've already spent all the Kickstarter money "and more." June is as far as their emergency fund stretches.

Ehh, Ok, I get it. I'm just a little disappointed that it has some popamole features.

 

[evdk]

Ehh, Ok, I get it. I'm just a little disappointed that it has some popamole features.

I actually expected it to be somewhat mediocre, so it keeps pleasantly surprising me at all times. Just the editor alone seems worth the price of admission.

PS you could clearly see the quest compass in the gameplay video. After you get the info from the homeless guy a marker is then put above the Renraku secret lab entrance.

 

[J_C]

Ehh, Ok, I get it. I'm just a little disappointed that it has some popamole features.

I actually expected it to be somewhat mediocre, so it keeps pleasantly surprising me at all times. Just the editor alone seems worth the price of admission.

PS you could clearly see the quest compass in the gameplay video. After you get the info from the homeless guy a marker is then put above the Renraku secret lab entrance.

Hm, I haven't noticed that. Maybe I have selective vision. Only seeing the good stuff.

To be honest, I also expected less from this game, so I was pleasantly surprised as well by the gameplay video. Maybe this is why this quest marker stuff throw me off a little.

 

[Kem0sabe]

I hope the pc version is not gimped options wise... i need to play this at 1920x1080.

 

[Jaesun]

The game will be using a Checkpoint Save System, instead of save anytime (which is either FFFFFFUUUUUUUU or YEAH depending on your point of view). I am somewhat OK with this, because it eliminates the LOL I missed my STAT check, RELOAD! We also do not not know how spaced the checkpoints are ( would *assume* there would be a checkpoint at the beginning and end of a run). They also really like the idea of an Ironman mode, but do not have the time to add this at the final release so maybe later.

EDIT: The Unofficial FAQ has been updated here. Note his numbering system that now shows when new answers have been added.

 

[hoverdog]

The game will be using a Checkpoint System, instead of save anytime (which is either FFFFFFUUUUUUUU or YEAH depending on your point of view). I am somewhat OK with this, because it eliminates the LOL I missed my STAT check, RELOAD! We also do not not know how spaced the checkpoints are ( would *assume* there would be a checkpoint at the beginning and end of a run). They also really like the idea of an Ironman mode, but do not have the time to add this at the final release so maybe later.

I HATE checkpoints. Consolitis absolute. Completely destroys the feel. 'oh, game saved, it means something tough is right around the corner'.
Every other system is better: save-anywhere for more comfort. Save between missions for creating a tighter experience (a perfect choice for such a game). Save on exit for some ironman love.

Of course, they could mean checkpoints as in saving before and after missions. That would be perfect.

 

[Jaesun]

Yeah I would assume the Checkpoint Saves will be before and after a run. Also if this does sell very well after release a new save anywhere and Ironman mode could possibly be added, so we will have to wait and see.

Also with the editor, you could add more or less of them to your own likes (like making it like the SNES version that (IIRC) you could only save at Jake's Apartment, using the bed).

 

[evdk]

Of course, they could mean checkpoints as in saving before and after missions. That would be perfect.

This. Anything other than that would be pretty stupid.

 

[Jaesun]

A small comparison someone did on the forums. Shadowrun Returns (top and bottom). SNES version (middle left, Genesis version middle right).

 

[Cyberarmy]

İ will be very mad if there are going to be checkpoints before each door/major battle...

 

[Jaesun]

With the editor I *assume* you could place them wherever you want.

 

[Kem0sabe]

I actually prefer checkpoints as a measure against save scumming, but i also understand how many people would hate the idea. Save at start of a mission and then it's up to the player to make an effort to finish the mission with his/her team intact.

 

[Jaesun]

Exactly. I have asked for clarification on the checkpoint system. Hopefully they will answer.

 

[Gozma]

Checkpoint is OK if there is also save and quit whenever... but I kinda suspect there won't be, because omitting "save anytime" has cost-savings