PoE Sales Analysis Thread

[AN4RCHID]

I doubt they are giving 10% of digital sales to Paradox, since Paradox didn't really do much for them besides a little marketing and physical distribution.

 

[Ninjerk]

I doubt they are giving 10% of digital sales to Paradox, since Paradox didn't really do much for them besides a little marketing and physical distribution.

Which apparently some of which people are furious about. Apparently the screen-printing of the cloth map is awful.

 

[Dexter]

I wouldn't discount GoG, a fair amount of people prefer the non-DRM option.

Frankly, I wouldn't discount Retail, especially for an "Old-school RPG" in Germany, Poland, UK etc.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

x 15 dollars.

How did you get to that number from 50$ base price?It's known Valve take 30% and California's sales tax is what 8%?

They give around 10% to paradox, international taxes are far higher, and vanilla pillars is 40-45 dollars average worldwide.

But yes they may even go as high as 20-25 dollars depending on America sales, but I was calculating the worst case scenario net profit, which still makes them very happy.

I don't think they pay other taxes beside US ones as there is the company located.My guess is 50% minimum is going their way.Russian key market is maybe 5% max so the godly 10$ new games price is overrated.When talking about 3th worldia in EU all prices are the same-40 euro for Pillars

 

[SniperHF]

Frankly, I wouldn't discount Retail, especially for an "Old-school RPG" in Germany, Poland, UK etc.

Since true retail copies are steam keys they would be counted with all the rest of them.

 

[Spectacle]

x 15 dollars.

How did you get to that number from 50$ base price?It's known Valve take 30% and California's sales tax is what 8%?

They give around 10% to paradox, international taxes are far higher, and vanilla pillars is 40-45 dollars average worldwide.

But yes they may even go as high as 20-25 dollars depending on America sales, but I was calculating the worst case scenario net profit, which still makes them very happy.

I don't think they pay other taxes beside US ones as there is the company located.My guess is 50% minimum is going their way.Russian key market is maybe 5% max so the godly 10$ new games price is overrated.When talking about 3th worldia in EU all prices are the same-40 euro for Pillars

Steam is the "retailer" and they collect VAT in the EU at least, probably other places too. So the government gets its cut of PoE.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

But aren't they in Luxemburg or some other tax heaven?

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

x 15 dollars.

How did you get to that number from 50$ base price?It's known Valve take 30% and California's sales tax is what 8%?

They give around 10% to paradox, international taxes are far higher, and vanilla pillars is 40-45 dollars average worldwide.

But yes they may even go as high as 20-25 dollars depending on America sales, but I was calculating the worst case scenario net profit, which still makes them very happy.

I don't think they pay other taxes beside US ones as there is the company located.My guess is 50% minimum is going their way.Russian key market is maybe 5% max so the godly 10$ new games price is overrated.When talking about 3th worldia in EU all prices are the same-40 euro for Pillars

Steam is the "retailer" and they collect VAT in the EU at least, probably other places too. So the government gets its cut of PoE.

Yeah, actually forgot about that. The EU has some new laws about VAT for digital goods introduced a few months ago, so out of the $42 sale price, 21% (more or less, depending on the buyer's country) goes to the man. Then 30% of the rest goes to Gaben.
And the EU market is 40% of all pillars sales by the way.

 

[Spectacle]

But aren't they in Luxemburg or some other tax heaven?

For digital sales in the EU you are required to collect VAT based on the buyer's country of residence.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

Yeah ,it seems it's that way from 1 January this year.Still can't see how that is related to Obsidian,as they pay taxes in US.I see it as Steam problem and how they sign the contracts with developers.Does they buy the license at fixed price and then resell it?More knowledgeable person would be better to write how that works.
Now that I think it ,it's all the same for Valve just price will be different for every eu country with different VAT.So if they want to keep prices the same it's going to be at their expenses.

 

[Spectacle]

Yeah ,it seems it's that way from 1 January this year.Still can't see how that is related to Obsidian,as they pay taxes in US.I see it as Steam problem and how they sign the contracts with developers.Does they buy the license at fixed price and then resell it?More knowledgeable person would be better to write how that works.
Now that I think it ,it's all the same for Valve just price will be different for every eu country with different VAT.So if they want to keep prices the same it's going to be at their expenses.

It's not Obsidian that pays the VAT, but the customers. Steam as the retailer is required to collect it on behalf of the government every time someone in the EU buys a game.

Steam does set their prices so that the sum of price+VAT is the same in every Euro country, which means that the "real" price varies from country to country.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

As the price is now 42euro-it's 35+7(20%vat),so Obsidian get 70% of that ~25 euro.Then their deal with Paradox is unknown,is it % based or fixed sum or other kind of royalties?If we speculate and say at most it's 10% of every sale it ends with 22 euro for Obsidian.After sales tax they end up with 20euro for every EU sale.You are free to correct my logic.

Steam does set their prices so that the sum of price+VAT is the same in every Euro country, which means that the "real" price varies from country to country.

True,true.But if until 1.1.2015 they payed 3% ,not that is higher they must raise the price for the profit margin to stay the same.For Valve it's 2 euro difference for 50 euro game

 

[Spectacle]

Steam has been collecting VAT by the customer's national rate for many years, at least since 2011.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

Yes...but they were getting the difference back.I don't understand what you disagreeing with?

If they sell game at 50euro with 3% VAT as they were doing it until recently,it's 48,5[+1,5euro (3%VAT)]*30% =14,55euro for them.Now is ~42[+~8 euro(17-25%VAT)*30%= 12,6 euro.Now they can no longer get that around 2 euro difference for themselves

 

[Spectacle]

Ah, last time I looked into this issue some years ago Valve wasn't doing the Luxemburg trick, so I wasn't aware that the VAT percentage had increased recently. Carry on

EU prices were already inflated compared to US prices anyway, but now the difference will mainly be going to the government and not to Valve anymore.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

EUSSR beating Gaben for the shekels,black day indeed.

 

[Andnjord]

Interestingly I've been to retail stores in both Poland and France those last days. Empik had it displayed on big cardoard displays in Warsaw while the Fnac in Grenoble just had it on a shelf with the other PC releases. I still haven't seen a physical copy of D:OS

Poland stronk!

Frankly, I wouldn't discount Retail, especially for an "Old-school RPG" in Germany, Poland, UK etc.

Not sure where you're getting UK from, they are as popamole as most of the USA (or at least in London)

 

[WalkinDude]

How's POE doing in Moldova?

 

[Bubbles]

How's POE doing in Moldova?

Easy to find out:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/moldovagc

 

[AwesomeButton]

[..]I wouldn't discount GoG, a fair amount of people prefer the non-DRM option.

non-DRM is one thing
non-autopatch is another. Been a fervent steam user for years but not being able to prevent auto patching drives me crazy enough to give GoG a try.

You can turn that off from the game's properties, accessed with right-click on your game in the library.

I don't even bother with that though, went straight to GOG. I don't feel like installing Steam and dealing with their shitty "authorize this device" policies for every computer I want to install the game on.

 

[Brotherman Bill]

http://steamspy.com/app/291650

208k according to this one, +/- 25,8k. This is excluding GoG.

 

[Brutan]

For what it's worth (not much) PoE on Steam has almost 2400 reviews and GOG( on all 3 editions) has 550 ratings. Not only are reviews different than ratings but you can rate a game on GOG even if you don't own it.

 

[Phage]

http://steamspy.com/app/291650

208k according to this one, +/- 25,8k. This is excluding GoG.

everyone stop with the speculative shitposting.

this is as close to your correct answer as you're going to get without an official statement.

 

[tuluse]

everyone stop with the speculative shitposting.

no

 

[Country_Gravy]

http://steamspy.com/app/291650

208k according to this one, +/- 25,8k. This is excluding GoG.

everyone stop with the speculative shitposting.

Shitposting is required. The word Anal is even in the thread title!