Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[ArchAngel]

So apparently there's a greatsword called Blood Red Cleaver and absolutely no one knows where to get it. Which makes you wonder how people learned of its existence in the first place.

People learned of its existence because there are tools that allow users to find out what items exist in the game's code, the problem is that nobody has any idea if a given item is actually findable in-game (as in, in the Wrath campaign) until someone posts that information.

There a bunch of crazy-powerful items that probably aren't in the game, such as Throne Keeper:

This +5 adamantine full plate mail grants its wearer 10 DR/-, immunity to cold and fire as well as all combat maneuvers.

Pre-included DLC weapons maybe?

Possibly but there are also items that are clearly unfinished

Probably Trickster items, one of his abilities says he can find items that are unique.

 

[Yosharian]

So apparently there's a greatsword called Blood Red Cleaver and absolutely no one knows where to get it. Which makes you wonder how people learned of its existence in the first place.

People learned of its existence because there are tools that allow users to find out what items exist in the game's code, the problem is that nobody has any idea if a given item is actually findable in-game (as in, in the Wrath campaign) until someone posts that information.

There a bunch of crazy-powerful items that probably aren't in the game, such as Throne Keeper:

This +5 adamantine full plate mail grants its wearer 10 DR/-, immunity to cold and fire as well as all combat maneuvers.

Pre-included DLC weapons maybe?

Possibly but there are also items that are clearly unfinished

Probably Trickster items, one of his abilities says he can find items that are unique.

Yes but that ability isn't working currently and it's not clear what items the ability will allow you to obtain once it is fixed

 

[Alienman]

However, because all the interactions with gamers are in the hands of "community managers", our opinions are not read by people who actually understand the game, but by zoomers with no ability to process something more complex than a comic book.

Ouch! So is it even worth doing any kind of feedback?

 

[Jaedar]

Fifth, Owlcat Games work like a proper corporation. During the interview there was a question in the chat about publishing the results of the survey. Mr. Mishulin said not a word about this. The community manager went on for 5 minutes explaining how those results are "boring", and how they want to publish everything, but "our young girls who are other community managers fell asleep reading the results and were able to go through them only because it was their job." Thus, they are sure that no one needs to see them.
I am sure that the core Owlcat audience - the ones who actually can achieve "Sadistic Game Design", for example - will be very glad to go through the numbers. I am also sure that Mr. Mishulin understands that - he is a very intelligent person. However, because all the interactions with gamers are in the hands of "community managers", our opinions are not read by people who actually understand the game, but by zoomers with no ability to process something more complex than a comic book.

It's more likely that the community manager has been told to come up with an excuse for the managements decision to not publish the survey results for business reasons (like creating false expectations they will fix/improve stuff).

Stuff like that is very common. You'll make a decision internally for very solid internal reasons, but you also know that most customers would not accept "valid internal reason" for not doing what they want so you make up something vaguely appeasing that is easy to walk back in case you change your mind.

 

[LannTheStupid]

It's more likely that the community manager has been told to come up with an excuse for the managements decision to not publish the survey results for business reasons (like creating false expectations they will fix/improve stuff).

I would have preferred that to abject stupidity, but after 2020 I do not have much hope.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Heh, 2005 internet jokes! Am I right, fellow kids?

Okay, this one is not bad.

 

[Jaedar]

Spoiler

I think that's a pretty good joke at the players expense.

 

[Humbaba]

Do I get anything from wiping out the flesh market aside from framerate issues?

Americans and their knowledge of history.

"Crusades are each of a series of medieval military expeditions made by Europeans to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries." Full stop. That's what I think when I see the word "crusade", and that's what he thinks as well.

All the Russian wars have never been crusades, however in the last battles against the Golden Horde in XV century they for sure used some firearms.

Never call me American ever again or I will get very upset and cry maybe even.

"Crusades are each of a series of medieval military expeditions made by Europeans to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries." Full stop. That's what I think when I see the word "crusade", and that's what he thinks as well.

Yes, which is undoubtedly the result of western cultural influence. How else would a nation that by your own admission has never been on a "crusade" come to make the connection between that word and a series of wars it had nothing to do with? The crusades are a central element of western identity not eastern. Besides, let's not pretend that the wars against the Tatars had no religious connotations and motivations like the crusades.

 

[Humbaba]

Heh, 2005 internet jokes! Am I right, fellow kids?

Okay, this one is not bad.

The first one is very cringe but the second one is actually quite funny "Their only regret is that they weren't born drow" lmao. The duality of Owlcat.

Trickster seems to be the wild wasteland path. Gonna be a REAL shift in tone when I switch to Swarm.

 

[Efe]

I havent played it but from locked options available all swarm consist of is a dozen or so "Silence, I eat you" choices

 

[Humbaba]

Eat your enemies - Eat your friends

Sigma Swarmset

Get on the Hivegrind​

 

[Jaedar]

Is switching from merged spellbook to legend just completely busted? You get to keep all your mythic spells, and since you're legend you can go to CL 40 instead of 30. You even get the level 10 spells (I don't, cause I am an arcanist and it's bugged, but if you were a wizard...). Save or die spell that deals 400 damage even if make the dc 50 save? Seems pretty good.

As Lich I also got to keep my skeleton and zombie generation in crusade mode. Feels like having your cake and eating it too.

 

[Yosharian]

CL40?

 

[Jaedar]

CL40?

20 base class, 10 signifier, 10 loremaster? I think signifier has full progression, but I could be wrong and then you'd only be able to reach 39, but that's still quite a bit better than 30.
CL is caster level of course.

 

[NJClaw]

CL40?

20 base class, 10 signifier, 10 loremaster? I think signifier has full progression, but I could be wrong and then you'd only be able to reach 39, but that's still quite a bit better than 30.
CL is caster level of course.

Making assumptions on how mechanics work past level 20 is a very dangerous game. It's all homebrewed by Owlcat, so those last 10 Loremaster levels have:
- a 33% of doing nothing
- a 33% chance of actually increasing your CL
- a 33% chance of breaking your save in a funny way
- a 1% chance of killing you IRL

 

[LannTheStupid]

I think the Swarm should be Omicron now.

 

[Yosharian]

CL40?

20 base class, 10 signifier, 10 loremaster? I think signifier has full progression, but I could be wrong and then you'd only be able to reach 39, but that's still quite a bit better than 30.
CL is caster level of course.

That's not really how it works

 

[Jaedar]

CL40?

20 base class, 10 signifier, 10 loremaster? I think signifier has full progression, but I could be wrong and then you'd only be able to reach 39, but that's still quite a bit better than 30.
CL is caster level of course.

That's not really how it works

Why wouldn't it be?

CL is CL!

 

[Cryomancer]

CL40?

20 base class, 10 signifier, 10 loremaster? I think signifier has full progression, but I could be wrong and then you'd only be able to reach 39, but that's still quite a bit better than 30.
CL is caster level of course.

That's not really how it works

Why wouldn't it be?

CL is CL!

Apparently there is a softcap in CL = 28 for Legend. Also, most spells will not scale that high. Polar Ray for eg, scales up to caster level = 25.

 

[Jaedar]

CL40?

20 base class, 10 signifier, 10 loremaster? I think signifier has full progression, but I could be wrong and then you'd only be able to reach 39, but that's still quite a bit better than 30.
CL is caster level of course.

That's not really how it works

Why wouldn't it be?

CL is CL!

Apparently there is a softcap in CL = 28 for Legend. Also, most spells will not scale that high. Polar Ray for eg, scales up to caster level = 25.

Well yeah, afaik most spells don't even scale to CL 20, let alone beyond. But mythic path spells tend to scale to any CL, and you do get to keep them as legend if you merged spellbook. Weird that they'd softcap it to higher than 20.

 

[Cryomancer]

and you do get to keep them as legend if you merged spellbook. Weird that they'd softcap it to higher than 20.

If I play as a Lich cruoromancer -> Legend Cruoromancer, I keep all lich spells? Amazing. What I keep and what I lost if I go legend?

 

[Jaedar]

and you do get to keep them as legend if you merged spellbook. Weird that they'd softcap it to higher than 20.

If I play as a Lich cruoromancer -> Legend Cruoromancer, I keep all lich spells? Amazing. What I keep and what I lost if I go legend?

You lose everything from mythic level 3 and up. So all those abilities, mythic feats, etc. Companions stay at mythic 8, and I'm pretty sure they can't advance beyond it. So essentially, the only thing you keep are the lich spells and some stuff in crusade mode.

 

[Humbaba]

Starting to question the use of power attack in bossfights. But then again those are usually carried by Ember Ignusova, her dispelling prowess and hellfire railgun anyway.

Trever is not really useable. He does his job ok but you are better off with pretty much anyone else. He is oddly slow, his damage output is not exceptional and neither is his tankiness. If he had fewer levels by the time you find him you could salvage him even with his wasted paladin and hellknight levels but whatever.

 

[Cryomancer]

and you do get to keep them as legend if you merged spellbook. Weird that they'd softcap it to higher than 20.

If I play as a Lich cruoromancer -> Legend Cruoromancer, I keep all lich spells? Amazing. What I keep and what I lost if I go legend?

You lose everything from mythic level 3 and up. So all those abilities, mythic feats, etc. Companions stay at mythic 8, and I'm pretty sure they can't advance beyond it. So essentially, the only thing you keep are the lich spells and some stuff in crusade mode.

Thanks. A lot of lich spells don't seem to have a caster level cap, so if they ever fix the cl = 28, I will be able to cast spells with CL = 40? Imagine ice prison, mass with a strength check DC to break free of 57(specialization + 40 + 15), domain of the hungry flesh with BAB = 40...

 

[Thonius]

Autistic tranny thread

It still lives rent-free in your head? Sad.