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[ArchAngel]

Cavalier's Order of the Star ability, 'Calling', grants your CHA modifier as a bonus to ALL of these:

• ability checks
• attack rolls
• saving throws
• skill checks

for one minute every time you use it, you can use it 4x per day, requires 2 levels in any Cavalier variant, free action to activate

I hope I don't need to elaborate on why this is insane (hint: my martial Legend build has 50 CHA)

I don't see how it is insane. Legend already has enough attack to hit anything, you don't need more attack. Also you should have enough saving throws and skills to pass whatever your other party members are not focused into.

 

[Haplo]

I am now triple dipping on CHA-to-hit during boss fights

162 AB at level 40

Smite Evil, Cavalier and....?

 

[Humbaba]

I am now triple dipping on CHA-to-hit during boss fights

162 AB at level 40

Mad. And here I was planning to simply add 20 levels of mutation warrior when the time comes.

 

[Yosharian]

I am now triple dipping on CHA-to-hit during boss fights

162 AB at level 40

Smite Evil, Cavalier and....?

Smite Chaos

Attack Bonus Breakdown:

• +40: Base Attack Bonus (Transformation)
  
• +19: Strength bonus
  
• +1: Insight (Goggles of Piercing Gaze)
  
• +6: Luck (Divine Power spell)
  
• +2: Enhancement (Bane, Sword Saint)
  
• +5: Enhancement (Weapon enhancement)
  
• +4: Morale (Greater Heroism)
  
• +6: Competence (Lethal Stance, allied Skald)
  
• +7: Sacred (Guarded Hearth)
  
• +3: Untyped (Weapon Training)
  
• +2: Untyped (Favored Enemy - Demons)
  
• +2: Untyped (Weapon Focus & Greater WF feats)
  
• +1: Untyped (Haste spell)
  
• +4: Untyped (Outflank feat + Flanking bonus)
  
• +4: Untyped (Inspired Rage, allied Skald with Demonic Resentment)
  
• +2: Untyped (Cloak of Blood Scent, allied Skald)
  
• +20: Untyped (Smite Evil)
  
• +20: Untyped (Smite Chaos)
  
• Total Attack Bonus: 148

 

[Yosharian]

I'm still considering how to fit in Lesser Celestial Totem but I don't think it's going to happen

 

[ArchAngel]

Current UI for spells and hotkey bars are very subpar for full casters and especially for those that like to metamagic a lot. Anyone knows a good mod that makes that better?

 

[Nikanuur]

Current UI for spells and hotkey bars are very subpar for full casters and especially for those that like to metamagic a lot. Anyone knows a good mod that makes that better?

Didn't find any Though something remotely useful towards your needs might be in these two:

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/137
https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/8

 

[Whisper]

Is Madness domain touch skill supposed to give +10 attack for 3 rounds?

Was this in Kingmaker? I missed this, do not see it in builds or something, but this is crazy.

 

[Whisper]

Cavalier's Order of the Star ability, 'Calling', grants your CHA modifier as a bonus to ALL of these:

• ability checks
• attack rolls
• saving throws
• skill checks

for one minute every time you use it, you can use it 4x per day, requires 2 levels in any Cavalier variant, free action to activate

I hope I don't need to elaborate on why this is insane (hint: my martial Legend build has 50 CHA)

Confirmed.

How did you find it? Yourself?

Bonus is competence, by the way and lasts full minute.

 

[Haplo]

Is Madness domain touch skill supposed to give +10 attack for 3 rounds?

Was this in Kingmaker? I missed this, do not see it in builds or something, but this is crazy.

Hmm, I heard Madness was strong. But I was under the impression that it should be used on enemies.
Of course, you're also nerfing your saves by 10, but if you can get plenty of immunities, that almost doesn't matter...

 

[Cyberarmy]

Madness is really good, I used it on enemies to lower their saves and AC or for buffing Lann/Aru's attack. You get +10 at 20 th level though.

 

[Nikanuur]

Seelah, pls. Hemlets are for pussies. You can see teh proof in any moovie!

 

[Yosharian]

I get a lot of information from just hanging around in the Discord and seeing what people are talking about in the builds channel

 

[ArchAngel]

Current UI for spells and hotkey bars are very subpar for full casters and especially for those that like to metamagic a lot. Anyone knows a good mod that makes that better?

Didn't find any Though something remotely useful towards your needs might be in these two:

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/137
https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/8

Tnx for links, I clicked on both but I don't see how any of those help.
We need a mod that either gives us more bars on the left with empty fields to put spells in or some overhaul that gives us a NWN2 type spell UI where all you get is small icons next to each other and you can see it all at once.

EDIT:
I found this: https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/202?tab=files
Not exactly what I wanted but I need to try it.

 

[Whisper]

Smite evil
Smite chaos
Mark of Justice
Calling from Cavalier


You can use Cha bonus for +attack 4 times, right?

 

[volklore]

Is Madness domain touch skill supposed to give +10 attack for 3 rounds?

Was this in Kingmaker? I missed this, do not see it in builds or something, but this is crazy.

Hmm, I heard Madness was strong. But I was under the impression that it should be used on enemies.
Of course, you're also nerfing your saves by 10, but if you can get plenty of immunities, that almost doesn't matter...

Madness can be used both on enemies and friendlies. you pick one stat to buff (AB, skill checks, Saves) and the other two get debuffs. It's absolutely bonkers in any setup, especially with domain zealot. Domain zealot clerics really are the best support in wrath and can help overcome so many bloated stat situations.
Wasn't so impressive in kingmaker because enemies scaled badly and by the time madness was good enough, you don't really need it. Plus no domain zealot.

 

[Whisper]

22 base+4 lvl-up+6 helmet+2 book+4 alchemy+6 scald = 44 charisma = 17 bonus
44 charisma is not max (could use +8 ehch item instead of +6, trickster +1 etc).


So 17x4 = you get +68 to hit just from Charisma alone?

 

[Whisper]

Madness can be used both on enemies and friendlies. you pick one stat to buff (AB, skill checks, Saves) and the other two get debuffs. It's absolutely bonkers in any setup, especially with domain zealot.

So you can give boss -10 to attack and saves, i know.

But it requires melee touch attack to hit, right?
Also being in touch range with boss?


Also, why it is not discussed? And was not discussed in Kingmaker? All were talking only about Community domain, but this domain is better!

 

[volklore]

In kingmaker you don't have domain zealot, and extra domain mythic so it's crap action economy, and pretty big opportunity cost (you could pick community or nobility domains instead). And domain spells are not great unless you want to make some kind of illusion caster cleric.
Plus kingmaker enemies scaled badly so by the time madness got good, you didn't really need it.

Landing a touch attack with a domain cleric isn't hard, even on unfair. And with domain zealot Sosiel you can do a bunch of insanities like Community and nobility domain pre-combat then touch of good on himself + move action to the boss + hit the boss with touch of madness. And that's not even accounting for all the other buffs from other party members.
Touch of madness was my bread and butter to break through high saves on my caster playthrough. You need good spell pen though and combat casting helps too, so it's not completely free.

And it's great as a buff too, to set up a big burst round to overcome super high ac enemies.

As to why it's not discussed as much in wrath? Because people use other stuff, I found out about madness domain by trying to play a save or suck caster on hard/unfair and looking at all the possible debuffs for saves when simply going for hex + shaken + sicken was not enough.

 

[Haplo]

Smite evil
Smite chaos
Mark of Justice
Calling from Cavalier


You can use Cha bonus for +attack 4 times, right?

I don't think Mark of Justice should stack with Smite Evil? Since its basically the same thing (but "Community" version)?
Or am I mistaken?

 

[Whisper]

Smite evil
Smite chaos
Mark of Justice
Calling from Cavalier


You can use Cha bonus for +attack 4 times, right?

I don't think Mark of Justice should stack with Smite Evil? Since its basically the same thing?
Or am I mistaken?

People say it stacks. Someone can test it?


Check "Mr.Smite" description in link below.
https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/builds/Main_Character
Smites do stack. And if you have a Palladin mercenary with Judgement Mark, it stacks too. Because reasons.


Unless they changed it in recent patch, anyone can test it with new patch?

 

[Yosharian]

Not sure because the AB bonus from Smites is untyped I think

 

[Whisper]

Not sure because the AB bonus from Smites is untyped I think

People say they stack.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/qdclcq/stacking_smite_evil_mark_of_justice/


Even screenshot

https://imgur.com/t5ntKKc

 

[Haplo]

Not sure because the AB bonus from Smites is untyped I think

People say they stack.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/qdclcq/stacking_smite_evil_mark_of_justice/


Even screenshot

https://imgur.com/t5ntKKc

Okay, IMO they shouldn't... but there are A LOT of "shouldn't" here... even more then in Kingmaker.

But I imagine that's from 2 sources at least, right?
You can't BOTH Smite Evil and enjoy your own Mark of Justice bonus, right?

 

[perfectslumbers]

You can't BOTH Smite Evil and enjoy your own Mark of Justice bonus, right?

No, but if you have a second paladin the other paladins mark can stack with your smite.