Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Xamenos]

I'm 99% sure there is no way to back out and rest once you've committed to the assault..

Music to my ears.

The game even adds insult to injury in that respect because you find like 20 Camping Supplies if you loot everything during the assault and there's nowhere to use them

The restspammer tears will be delicious.

 

[LannTheStupid]

The restspammer tears will be delicious.

I think they will be forced to remove it after Steam review bombing. There is no Stalin anymore, sigh.

 

[Desiderius]

this is the boss fight of the first chapter?

Yes. It's similar to the Stag Lord's fortress assault but was a much longer dungeon crawl before the actual boss fight, and I'm 99% sure there is no way to back out and rest once you've committed to the assault.

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The actual boss fight is when you get your first set of Mythic Powers, which is a good thing since your resources will almost certainly be exhausted and the boss is a CR17 demon with a bunch of mooks helping her

I felt like I was getting my ass kicked based on the number of NPC archers getting killed but the quest giver said we had "minimal losses" so either it's a bug or I did better than expected.

I think she just says "minimal losses" if you win, regardless of how many NPCs died. That's opposed to losing the fight, which can happen if the enemy alchemists destroy too many buildings, but doesn't cause a game over like if your MC died.

Oh that makes sense. I didn't lose any buildings at all and very few melee guards, but probably 80% or so of the archers got killed.

You get a temporary buff for that boss "fight" that makes it almost impossible to lose. Subsequent boss fights are more legit once you've got some real abilities.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm 99% sure there is no way to back out and rest once you've committed to the assault..

Music to my ears.

The game even adds insult to injury in that respect because you find like 20 Camping Supplies if you loot everything during the assault and there's nowhere to use them

You can't camp during Grey Garrison? Are you sure?

Are you getting that mixed up with the assault on the Tavern?

 

[Cryomancer]

The final version WILL gonna be different and far easier. Kingmaker was my first pre order and on day one, a lot of things was far more brutal than on my most recent play trough. A lot of chapter 1/2 encounters that was insanely hard are now just "meh"; because OwlCat got a lot of reviewbomb due the earlier "unbalanced difficulty"... The same applies to the alpha to final version, the final version will probably be far more easy.

And the reason to why they maintain the alpha closed is to not get much game journalists butthurt.

Imagine the IGN covering the alpha. Look to their kingmaker review

 

[LannTheStupid]

Well, FromSoftware exists. May be Owlcats could withstand a backlash, too? They are not tied to a publisher now.

However, I am not optimistic.

 

[Sweeper]

The game even adds insult to injury in that respect because you find like 20 Camping Supplies if you loot everything during the assault and there's nowhere to use them

Based as fuck.
I love Owlcat.
Hopefully they don't cuck out during development.

The final version WILL gonna be different and far easier. Kingmaker was my first pre order and on day one, a lot of things was far more brutal than on my most recent play trough. A lot of chapter 1/2 encounters that was insanely hard are now just "meh"; because OwlCat got a lot of reviewbomb due the earlier "unbalanced difficulty"... The same applies to the alpha to final version, the final version will probably be far more easy.

True, but we all know that the highest difficulty will be the way the game is meant to be played, which will hopefully include some form of penalization or restriction for overcamping.
Fucking normies ruin everything.

 

[Lawntoilet]

I'm 99% sure there is no way to back out and rest once you've committed to the assault..

Music to my ears.

The game even adds insult to injury in that respect because you find like 20 Camping Supplies if you loot everything during the assault and there's nowhere to use them

You can't camp during Grey Garrison? Are you sure?

Are you getting that mixed up with the assault on the Tavern?

Pretty sure. I tried a couple of times and it said "you can't rest when enemies are about" so I quit trying after that. I'm pretty sure I had cleared the floor I tried resting on.
Maybe you can rest right before the boss fight but

Spoiler

as you mentioned that doesn't really matter, since you get the effects of a long rest and a huge buff for that fight.

Even if you can rest I would seriously recommend that nobody do that, the real challenge is the grind of getting to the boss.

As far as the assault on the tavern, that's just one big encounter so you definitely can't rest at any point there, that'd be absurd.

The final version WILL gonna be different and far easier. Kingmaker was my first pre order and on day one, a lot of things was far more brutal than on my most recent play trough. A lot of chapter 1/2 encounters that was insanely hard are now just "meh"; because OwlCat got a lot of reviewbomb due the earlier "unbalanced difficulty"... The same applies to the alpha to final version, the final version will probably be far more easy.

And the reason to why they maintain the alpha closed is to not get much game journalists butthurt.

Imagine the IGN covering the alpha. Look to their kingmaker review

I don't know about that. They have a trivially easy story mode, if they just name that "hardcore game journomode" to fellate the ego of IGN, RPS, and the like, they should be getting 10/10s across the board.
Also there was a lot of fair criticism of the bugs at release and the alpha is more stable for me than Day 1 Kingmaker was (only 1 incorrect quest resolution journal entry and some weird lighting effects, plus some more minor things).

 

[guestposting]

You can absolutely rest during the assault on Grey Garrison. You just can’t do it when there are enemies nearby, which is true everywhere in the game. Kill them and get some sleep.

edit: some enemies are invisible which may be tripping you up

 

[Lawntoilet]

You can absolutely rest during the assault on Grey Garrison. You just can’t do it when there are enemies nearby, which is true everywhere in the game. Kill them and get some sleep.

edit: some enemies are invisible which may be tripping you up

I guess I didn't quite have the floor cleared when I tried resting then.
However I would still recommend not resting, it doesn't make sense that you'd be able to in context of the assault, and it makes it fun to power through.

 

[Desiderius]

You can absolutely rest during the assault on Grey Garrison. You just can’t do it when there are enemies nearby, which is true everywhere in the game. Kill them and get some sleep.

edit: some enemies are invisible which may be tripping you up

I guess I didn't quite have the floor cleared when I tried resting then.
However I would still recommend not resting, it doesn't make sense that you'd be able to in context of the assault, and it makes it fun to power through.

I powered through, but that was easy mode so I wouldn’t miss anything. The food is there because the design includes a couple rests per floor. There’s a lot to deal with and unless you’ve got a hardcore rest minimization build from P:K it doesn’t really make sense to do it all in one go. Camellia’s abilities don’t have much duration and at that level nor do anyone else’s.

P:K time was money, but in WotR you recruit armies once per week (you basically have to end up skipping some days) so I don’t think overall it’s going to be as hardcore on the rest.

 

[Desiderius]

I’d wait to make the Decline call. P:K was 95% carrot on the rest side of things, with the exception of locking you into Vordokai’s and the like. But you could rest inside Vordokai’s just like you can in the Garrison so it’s hardly Decline there and we’ve already seen other places where they’ve amped up the difficulty in other ways.

 

[purpleblob]

I don't think Owlcats will nerf the difficulty for higher difficulty settings. I finished alpha twice on normal and it was pretty breezy (so I don't expect much complaints from casual players). Owlcats already nerfed difficulty from pre alpha to alpha, so that should be it (yes, I played pre alpha). I wish they kept pre alpha difficulty - even normal was challenging then

 

[Lawntoilet]

I powered through, but that was easy mode so I wouldn’t miss anything. The food is there because the design includes a couple rests per floor. There’s a lot to deal with and unless you’ve got a hardcore rest minimization build from P:K it doesn’t really make sense to do it all in one go. Camellia’s abilities don’t have much duration and at that level nor do anyone else’s.

P:K time was money, but in WotR you recruit armies once per week (you basically have to end up skipping some days) so I don’t think overall it’s going to be as hardcore on the rest.

It makes sense to me to do it all in one go, from a narrative perspective (your allies are mid-fight and you don't want them all to get killed while you take a nap).
I beat it on Core with zero rests with a Str-Scimitar Magus, Seelah, Ember, Daeren, Woljif, and Lann. I used a lot of healing potions and scrolls, and had to retry a few fights a few times*, so I'm certainly not trying to sound like I'm amazing at the game or anything, but I'm pretty sure I cleared all the rooms and it was very fun. I generally try to stretch rests as long as possible in these games though, and I would've been in extremely rough shape to fight the boss if you didn't get buffed at that point.

Edit: Also, Seelah was using The Collapse, which might be bugged? It seemed like the knockdown-on-crit might be triggering more frequently than it should, although not so frequently that it's just triggering on-hit.

*

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Specifically:
- the one where you start out behind a secret door, your starting position is extremely shitty and you're almost guaranteed to eat a couple fireballs, and I didn't have any Communal Protection/Resist Fire
- the one with the scythe-wielding priest who summons the locust swarms, I kept having either Ember or Wojcic get scythe-critted and die immediately from taking 60ish damage

 

[purpleblob]

Its Woljif, not Wojcic!!

 

[Lawntoilet]

Its Woljif, not Wojcic!!

I've just been calling him Wojak and I got confused, I'll get it eventually

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

If I buy Alpha access, it says you can play the first two chapters until May 21, but what happens after that date? Does it lock you out? Or can you keep playing after May 21?

 

[purpleblob]

I asked that question but still didn't get answer from any devs.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

How do I get into alpha.

 

[purpleblob]

How do I get into alpha.

Be a KS backer and pay additional $15 for alpha access.

 

[Lawntoilet]

I hope it's not closed off after the 21st.
I wasn't able to even fire it up until last week (essential services worker and I've been busy at work), although I definitely marathoned it this weekend so I got my $15 worth.

How do I get into alpha.

Backer portal, it's an option to add to your pledge.

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

How do I get into alpha.

Here: https://wrath.owlcatgames.com/preorder

You have to buy an edition and then buy the Alpha Access add-on. The only thing is that I don't know if you can still access the game after May 21

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

How do I get into alpha.

Be a KS backer and pay additional $15 for alpha access.

No you can still get access if you pre-order, at least from what the site says

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

OK in case anyone is wondering you can pre-order the game and still get Alpha Access. I just did it, but I am so lost. It just sort of throws you into the middle of the prologue without any explanation. Is there a story recap or something I can get to understand what is going on? The plot doesn't seem overly complex but there are quests that don't make any sense to me yet.

 

[Lawntoilet]

OK in case anyone is wondering you can pre-order the game and still get Alpha Access. I just did it, but I am so lost. It just sort of throws you into the middle of the prologue without any explanation. Is there a story recap or something I can get to understand what is going on? The plot doesn't seem overly complex but there are quests that don't make any sense to me yet.

It gets explained to you during the first chapter but as far as I can gather:

Spoiler

- You were in the city, the Demon Lord Deskari attacked and caused a big split in the earth, you fell down into it
- You got imprisoned beneath the city
- You escaped through the caves of the Mongrelmen, where Lann joined you
- Sometime during your escape, you were present at the death of an angel, who blessed you with the Light of Heaven from Iomedae before dying
- You resurfaced after your escape underneath the Grey Garrison, where you start the game