Pathfinder Pathfinder: The Dragon's Demand - Pathfinder 2E turn-based miniatures RPG from Ossian Studios

[Roguey]

haha woke dei slop isn't getting funded

It might barely make it, but I believe the biggest barrier is that off-putting art style. Their decision to go with a low budget cartoony look and now they're paying for it.

 

[Dr1f7]

haha woke dei slop isn't getting funded

the biggest barrier is that off-putting art style.

yeah that's the reason

 

[mondblut]

But you realize those are completely unrealistic demands. Even Larian, the best developer by far — proven by the sales, number of positive reviews from users (and not just gaming journos, or rather gaming activists), and the amount of butthurt it causes on the Codex — can only deliver a fraction of that. It's not reasonable to expect that from small indies who have never made a real game before.

Right. Apparently, Grimoire or Kenshi do not exist.

Only constrained, combat-oriented RPGs are possible right now.

Yeah. For hacks.

If a bunch of set piece combats is the best "small indies who have never made a real game before" can contribute, I'm fine with them not contributing anything at all.

 

[mondblut]

haha woke dei slop isn't getting funded

It might barely make it

For the sake of ontopoly, let's hope it won't.

 

[mondblut]

a LotFP CRPG is probably too edgelord and offensive for modern audiences. I would not like to see the response that such a game will get.

Why? Those responses are the real game all along.

 

[SixDead]

Sory for off-top, but I briefly checked LotFP books, and...

Is game developed by Germans?

 

[Cryomancer]

haha woke dei slop isn't getting funded

I wouldn't be that sure. In the last days, people tends to put more money.

magic(...)strong

Only to serve as comparison about what magic can do in other TT systems.

In EverQuest d20 conversion, necros can summon shit like this :

And note, this statblock misses a lot of powerful SLA that the summon has.

Necromancers can cast ludicrous powerful spells like :

Detailed spell :

details

Hyperborea - 6th tier Cryomancer Spell :

ShadowDark - Cloudkill

Now lets look to PF2e cloudkill

". A breathing creature that starts its turn in the area takes 6d8 poison damage with a basic Fortitude save. You can Dismiss the spell." Source : https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=1722

Sure, is not as bad as D&D 4e, where it merely deals d10 damage + INT mod.

I talk more about magic because I like it a lot but honestly, is not only magic that fells lackluster in 5e and pf2e. If you are playing as a 8th level fighter, a assassin with a longbow and poison can kill you easily in older editions, in 5e, your mid level fighter can survive cannonballs and even low level fighters can if they roll high enough. I prefer games where stuff has impact.

I'm not saying that this game will be shit. Only that I would prefer another ruleset.

Sory for off-top, but I briefly checked LotFP books, and...

Is game developed by Germans?

The game is really weird. This is why is good.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Last 48 hours usually has a burst of funding so this might still meet the base goal

But yeah the ruleset itself not being popular in general and the off putting art style is just bad choice in general

Game would probably be funded Week 1 if it's using 5e

 

[Cryomancer]

Game would probably be funded Week 1 if it's using 5e

Not that sure. This game already has raised more money than Solasta. Currently this game has got 273,447 vs. 243,855 from Solasta(source - ks). IMO this game will probably get funded, will get a small player base, and that is it. Wouldn't be a cult classic or a blockbuster success but would be a viable project imo.

 

[Mauman]

None of you fuckers are even planning on playing or funding the game. Can you fuck off with your gay DnD shit. Video games are better than tabletop anyways. You're theorizing game systems none of you faggots have even played and even if you wanted to you wouldn't be able to because no one wants to play with a dumbfuck who larps being a sweaty wizard inside the game and then continues the larp after the game has ended and everyone is packing their rainbow dice into their dice holders. I prefer system I haven't played over system I haven't played. eat shit.

Can we instead direct our attention towards convincing people to give this game a chance? Fuck off to your gay tabletop threads. I never thought I would support Infinitron moving half a thread to retardo

PF2 is still shit.

 

[Dr1f7]

haha woke junk not getting funded gg

 

[Infinitron]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ossianstudios/pathfinder-the-dragons-demand/posts/4225183

Update 5: Pathfinder Rules Implementation​

The project is now over 78% funded with over 5,600 backers!

Greetings Demanders!

I’m Kevin Smith, lead programmer on Pathfinder: The Dragon’s Demand, and in this update I’ll be getting into more detail about about the remastered Pathfinder Second Edition rules implementation we’ve been working on.

At Ossian Studios, we know that there are two types of RPG players: those who want to spend at least six hours on the character generation screen, and those who want to jump into the story as quickly as possible. Consequently, we have designed our character creation screens to seamlessly support both styles of play. You can pick from a variety of fun pre-generated characters, or you can create a completely custom character and drill-down into all the details by selecting from hundreds of options, including Feats and Spells. As many of you already know, the Pathfinder character generation process can be extremely complicated, but we are working hard to make it both fun and easy to understand by providing a highly flexible sheet-based user interface that rivals any other CRPG on the market today.

After character creation, as your party gains experience from adventuring, you'll be able to level up any party member using just a single mouse click. Alternatively, you can delve deeply into any character's details and hand select every level up option imaginable.

As part of a robust level up system, we hope that our backers help us unlock the Multiclass Archetypes stretch goal because this will unleash a vast array of powerful and highly customized characters! Pathfinder’s Multiclass Archetypes can be used to create exciting combinations of different character classes. You'll be able to customize your own character, and all of your party members. But remember that all of the enemy NPCs also benefit from Multiclass Archetypes, so expect more unique and exciting new challenges during strategic combat encounters.

Behind the scenes, our Rules Engine orchestrates everything in the game, from Exploration Mode to Combat Mode. The Rules Engine directly loads a huge amount of tabular data that was extracted directly from the official Paizo rule books (thank you Archives of Nethys!). Supporting the Rules Engine are our generic frameworks for Feats, Spells, and Actions. We have tested both the Rules Engine and the frameworks by implementing hundreds of Feats, Spells, and Actions up to tenth level. The frameworks can support the addition of new Feats, Spells, Actions, and even Character Classes with relative ease.

From the very beginning, we knew that this would be a Pathfinder Second Edition game, rather than a converted First Edition game. Although we began developing this game long before the Remastered Pathfinder Rules were invented, Paizo graciously provided us with very early access to the new rules. Consequently we've had a significant amount of time to adapt our custom game systems to support the new remastered Second Edition rules.

Developing a game of this size and complexity is certainly extremely challenging! What are some of the things we tangle with on a daily basis? The sheer quantity of Feats and Spells that we are implementing is a huge challenge (I actually love implementing these!). The Pathfinder Rules, although very well designed, have many unique edge cases, which are not well described. We often have to pause and debate exactly what should happen in various complex scenarios. As much as possible, we stay true to the Pathfinder rules-as-written, but also adapt where necessary to make a better CRPG experience.

Despite these many challenges, we have already implemented all Second Edition core Ancestries, Backgrounds, Classes, Deities, Heritages, the vast majority of Class Features, and all level-up benefits including gained spells and spell slots.

After the game is funded, we're looking forward to interacting directly with our many backers to help prioritize key game features, and even debate how to resolve some of those tricky rules edge cases! Please help spread the word about the game so that we can attract more backers! Thanks for all of your help so far!

* *

After receiving some feedback on our sold-out Limited Pledge Tiers, we’ve decided to add some additional quantities of these. We are happy to bring you:

• 15 Personalized Mark Editions
• 10 Personalized NPC Editions
• 5 Personal Framed Portrait Editions
• 5 Personalized Magic Item Editions

And don’t forget that all our pledge tiers include everything from the previous tiers! For example, the Personalized Magic Item Edition includes the Framed Portrait, Personalized NPC, and Personalized Mark limited rewards, on top of the Digital Tabletop Edition. That’s quite a stack of rewards!

Thank you again for supporting our campaign!

In Gratitude,
Ossian Studios

 

[Abu Antar]

I thought they were far off from their goal, but it seems like they will make it.

 

[Infinitron]

Big bump there. They're gonna make it.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ossianstudios/pathfinder-the-dragons-demand/posts/4227531

Update 6: GOG and Steam Deck​

The project is now over 85% funded!

Greetings Demanders!

This is just a quick update to let everyone know about a couple of things.

Firstly, we’ve been listening to many of your comments requesting a GOG version of Pathfinder: The Dragon’s Demand. So we’re happy to announce that we’re committing to releasing a GOG version of the game! Our goal is to get it to backers as soon as possible after our Steam release.

Secondly, we’ve heard your requests for the game to be Steam Deck compatible. Instead of evaluating that topic after the campaign, we’ve reviewed it now and decided that we’ll definitely support Steam Deck! This support will be added as soon as we can after our Steam release. Even though the game’s primary design is for mouse and keyboard, we designed our UI framework from the start to be flexible enough to be adapted for controllers. Our earlier hesitancy to support Steam Deck came from the fact that we’ve never attempted this before, making it hard to estimate the additional dev time needed. That’s why it will have to come on the heels of our desktop release. But the whole team has played a LOT of console RPGs, so we are resolved to take it on!

Once again, a big “THANK YOU” to everyone who has supported this campaign, including the recent backers of our Personalized Quest tier – wow! We’re going to have lots of fun working with you on your rewards, and with everyone else who has pledged on one of our Limited Tiers.

In Gratitude,
Ossian Studios

 

[Gargaune]

So we’re happy to announce that we’re committing to releasing a GOG version of the game! Our goal is to get it to backers as soon as possible after our Steam release.

Okay, now you're talking my language!

 

[Dr1f7]

lol nope wokeshit not getting funded gg no re

 

[scytheavatar]

How do people conclude that this is wokeshit when they have barely showed off anything?

 

[Ontopoly]

How do people conclude that this is wokeshit when they have barely showed off anything?

Can't you see? There's a black elf!

 

[SixDead]

How do people conclude that this is wokeshit when they have barely showed off anything?

That's in the name - Pathfinder, Paizo

 

[Morality Games]

How do people conclude that this is wokeshit when they have barely showed off anything?

Not exactly a reckless assumption. The principal setting of the Pathfinder world (Golarion) is implicitly fairly woke due to how the Pathfinder Society (the Adventurer's Guild) is structured and operates (a hyper inclusive globe spanning organization whose headquarters exist in Golarion's verison of New York).

 

[Inec0rn]

The artstyle looks really bad, like really really bad.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Yes, it's unfortunate that Dragon's Demand will have poor aesthetics that compare unfavorably with The Warlock of Firetop Mountain (2016), which was similar in having graphics based on tabletop miniature figurines & cut-out environments:

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Hell a free to play game like Card Hunter released 10 years ago looks better than whatever this game is going for

 

[Roguey]

How do people conclude that this is wokeshit when they have barely showed off anything?

All this culture war stuff bores the hell out of me, so to put a marker down very early on, as the game's writer, I'll simply say this: my goal is to to tell the best story possible while respecting the setting, both in tone and lore. I did the same when I worked on the unreleased expansion for The Witcher, my Neverwinter Nights stuff (as I hope some of you can confirm), and the stories I wrote for Warhammer: Age of Sigmar. Pathfinder is diverse by design - I think it's a strength of the setting, but it doesn't really matter what I think, because my job is to bring the truest representation of Pathfinder to a videogame. That's what you do when you're entrusted with an IP.

I wouldn't expect any lectures, but yes it's going to have its fair share of strong women, queer characters, and racial minorities because those are elements the IP owner explicitly wants.

 

[Litmanen]

Yes, it's unfortunate that Dragon's Demand will have poor aesthetics that compare unfavorably with The Warlock of Firetop Mountain (2016), which was similar in having graphics based on tabletop miniature figurines & cut-out environments:

I'm not saying this game will be an excellent one, since we haven't seen even one sec of true gameplay but, honestly, graphics look nice to me. They do their job fairly good.
In a GDR I would not care a lot about graphics since it is the least important thing in a game like this.