Satisfying as that was, I preferred taking down Elminster in BG2. That's a good fight.
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Pathfinder Kingmaker is better than Baldur's Gate
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Satisfying as that was, I preferred taking down Elminster in BG2. That's a good fight.
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Generic-Giant-Spider
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Yeah, yeah, that's it you dirty fucking whore. Now turn around and show me what you do when daddy isn't around.
Wait, the mods nerf the rewards from Kingdom building?
How so?
It's a tricky one, actually. Obviously one appreciates both to some extent.
I found the PFK story engaging and I really like the way the whimsical ennui of the Fey leads to so much suffering. It's fully as dark as the stuff in BG/2. It is very long, but that could be either good or bad depending on how into the story and your character you are.
The meat and potatoes of the gameplay in PFK is better, the build system has more possibilities.
But elements of the story in BG/2 do feel more epic as you're going through it - the presentation, writing and dialogue are better, and the companions are better (not just less ghey but better-written - although there is some good writing for the PFK companions too, especially as their stories progress). Some of the encounter design was arguably better too.
I really can't decide on an absolute scale.
I found the PFK story engaging and I really like the way the whimsical ennui of the Fey leads to so much suffering. It's fully as dark as the stuff in BG/2. It is very long, but that could be either good or bad depending on how into the story and your character you are.
The meat and potatoes of the gameplay in PFK is better, the build system has more possibilities.
But elements of the story in BG/2 do feel more epic as you're going through it - the presentation, writing and dialogue are better, and the companions are better (not just less ghey but better-written - although there is some good writing for the PFK companions too, especially as their stories progress). Some of the encounter design was arguably better too.
I really can't decide on an absolute scale.
How can you say that in a world where Throne of Bhaal exists?
BG2 overstays its welcome as soon as chapter 5 starts. When people talk about their fond memories of BG2, they're always talking only about chapter 2, which is a completely different game that has nothing to do with the remaining chapters.
Ahnx
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BG2 is too linear, in my opinon. Even KotOR gives more freedom to explore, without placing player on rails for the most part of the game.
Baxander
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Well, you had me hard as a rock when you were talking about my friend being dead, but then you mentioned Grimoire and got it all soft again. You are better than this. Show it.
Mark Richard
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Feels like this comes down to preference for how a campaign is structured more than anything else. Kingmaker constantly builds towards something. The timer connects every single action, from the grand to mundane, and planning out each journey is part of the experience. I find that incredibly engaging, but many folk see it as a detriment rather than a strength, and refuse to play Kingmaker on its own terms. This is the one issue which has cast a shadow over the entire game (aside from bugs on release), and continues to be a non-negotiable point of contention to this day. Well you know which side of the coin I fall on - you either like Kingmaker (and Pathologic 2), or you're wrong!
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hell bovine
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Because ToB is an expansion and as such it can be easily skipped with no loss to the story. You can do WK in SoA and finish BG2 with the Irenicus battle, which wraps the story nicely. PK's worst part is the last part of the main campaign, so no way to skip it if you want some sort of ending.
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Back when I played through BG2 I wished it would go on forever.
Yeah that timer caused some serious butthurt amongst a very vocal segment of players, I swear it gave some of them PTSD.
Personally I loved it as well, I like the idea of a world evolving with or without the player's input.
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