Incline Path of Exile 2 - now available on Early Access

[Perkel]

Yes, it's exactly like poe1 where you go from campaign and autoclear first few maps. It's even worse actually because cruel has very poor scaling and even through maps enemy hp scales less than damage. Going full mode dmg is even better than in poe1.
You don't zoom around, but you don't actually have any combat gameplay either. You move slowly between packs of mobs you blow up. Literally worst of both worlds.

They lied like motherfuckers so you look even more like a retard than usually regurgitating pre release promo materials and fantasizing from there.

I see no issues you talk about. If you like POE1 go play POE1. Id you don't like POE2 don't play POE2. Simple as.
If you lack eyes to see how POE1 has completely different gameplay than POE2 then there is no point to talk about it with you.

Even end game builds look completely different because what is "clearing screen" in POE2 in POE1 is just normal non end game build. End game builds in POE1 not only clean MULTIPLE screens but they do so at light speed with player zooming around the map.

Also, the current state of the game (kill whole screens or die), incentivises this style of gameplay more than poe1 where you can build a 100% sustain tanky character and kill bosses / big mob packs at your leisure (and to detriment of your currency income).

IT's JUST LIKE POE1 AND IT IS EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!! YOU HEARD IT FIRST GUYZ !!!
Another dumbfuck.

"But game is hard which means i have to play ranged nouuuuw !!!" "I can build in POE1 completely invincible dude for campaign and early mid maps and I can't do that in POE2 now !!! which means i need to play ranged !! BUT I DON'T HAVE SPEED AND I DIE !!! GAME SUCKS !!!"

 

[Israfael]

Probably the best player of POE summarises what's wrong with the game and how it suffers from NIH syndrome (which echoes what I've thought and said here many times)

 

[Zeriel]

Based.

POE2 kind of shown how many of those speedy zoom zoomers are in POE1 and how much they matter. They always were loud shitty small clique that overtook reddit in last 5-7 years.

and here are people who would rather play unfinished 0.1 version than above garbage:

They paid for your game. You should really be more grateful, if you actually like PoE 2. Thing is, the crowd that loves to hate on PoE 1, from what I've seen, have their share of complaints about PoE 2. And they are... the same complaints as the "zoomers".

This is just a really dumb business decision, and we'll see that play out over time. It's like telling your investors to fuck off. If Tencent is willing to pick up the bill entirely maybe that makes sense, but GGG's situation is not analogous to Blizzard or another corporate studio, they built everything off the back of supporter packs, showing those people the middle finger is a hell of an audacious move, we'll just have to see if it is only "audacious" or also "retarded".

 

[Perkel]

Based.

POE2 kind of shown how many of those speedy zoom zoomers are in POE1 and how much they matter. They always were loud shitty small clique that overtook reddit in last 5-7 years.

and here are people who would rather play unfinished 0.1 version than above garbage:

They paid for your game. You should really be more grateful, if you actually like PoE 2. Thing is, the crowd that loves to hate on PoE 1, from what I've seen, have their share of complaints about PoE 2. And they are... the same complaints as the "zoomers".

This is just a really dumb business decision, and we'll see that play out over time. It's like telling your investors to fuck off. If Tencent is willing to pick up the bill entirely maybe that makes sense, but GGG's situation is not analogous to Blizzard or another corporate studio, they built everything off the back of supporter packs, showing those people the middle finger is a hell of an audacious move, we'll just have to see if it is only "audacious" or also "retarded".

No, they did not. Most of normal players zoned out from zoomers community and either dropped POE1 or just didn't talk anymore on those forums.

Also i don't see how it is bad business decision when your new Early Access game does better numbers after 2 months of nothing than your biggest release ever that drops like a rock after 2 weeks. If anything them focusing on POE2 and dropping POE1 support is best business decision they could make.

That 570k peak on steam was with 0.1 version of the game in early access. When 1.0 hits it will hit easily 1,5mil.

 

[abija]

I see no issues you talk about. If you like POE1 go play POE1. Id you don't like POE2 don't play POE2. Simple as.

I don't like how poe1 evolved, poe2 in EA has pretty much all the worst parts of what poe1 is now and a bunch of new ones.

If you lack eyes to see how POE1 has completely different gameplay than POE2 then there is no point to talk about it with you.

You move, you blow shit up, you loot. Where's the difference? That you move slower if you can't fit blink in the build? That's literally worst evolution possible.

IT's JUST LIKE POE1 AND IT IS EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!! YOU HEARD IT FIRST GUYZ !!!
Another dumbfuck.

"But game is hard which means i have to play ranged nouuuuw !!!" "I can build in POE1 completely invincible dude for campaign and early mid maps and I can't do that in POE2 now !!! which means i need to play ranged !! BUT I DON'T HAVE SPEED AND I DIE !!! GAME SUCKS !!!"

PoE2 is only hard for shield raisers like yourself.

 

[Jermu]

the amount of loot you get in poe1 is too much for my taste, think I would play ruthless if I make new character

my only complain regarding loot is that I have found 0 exalted so far, there are few rares I would not mind using those for (then in poe2 I got like 20-40 exalted each juiced map which is way too common)

 

[Perkel]

I don't like how poe1 evolved, poe2 in EA has pretty much all the worst parts of what poe1 is now and a bunch of new ones.

You move, you blow shit up, you loot. Where's the difference? That you move slower if you can't fit blink in the build? That's literally worst evolution possible.


PoE2 is only hard for shield raisers like yourself.

1. Don't play it then.
2. Are you one of those types that don't see difference between Grim Dawn, Diablo4 and POE1 ? That's explains a lot. We are not even talking about same things here. You live on other planet. Yes, moving slower is the main difference between POE1 and POE2. If you move slower, you need to watch out and interact with mechanics, ranged isn't autowin, game designers have to balance game differently and so on.
3. POE2 is noticeably harder than POE1 at least until you get to mid maps. In POE1 you use zombie gem with basic 2 supports and you literally win the game up until yellow maps. Things like this don't work in POE2 anymore.


Imho the main difference between POE1 and 2 is in speed. End game right now is a bit woozy because they had to make copy paste quick from POE1 as they realized they need end game for POE2 and didn't have time to play around.

But, with how they treat speed it means going forward they will have to adjust how things are regardless if they want poe1 mechanics or not because some things are like laws of nature, you can't get around them and even if you are shitty designer those laws of nature will force you to do correct design.

Big unknown for me is for now loot. They plan to increase base types above POE1 levels and I don't see how it will work with their loot system. Right now it works because most of the bases are blocked from dropping. No swords, spears, flails, axes and so on.

 

[Israfael]

my only complain regarding loot is that I have found 0 exalted so far, there are few rares I would not mind using those for (then in poe2 I got like 20-40 exalted each juiced map which is way too common)

Exalts in Poe1 are (almost) as rare as divs, it's the chaos orb that serves the same function as in poe2. Also, there are options to 'exalt' gear for free with beastcrafting or harvest, just check out the available options. Also, if you max out the happy farmville, it prints both exalts and divs, I've got like 300+ divs from that mechanic alone and i've mostly focused on shipping 50M crops to get mirror shards and power runes, which is detrimental to div/ex turnover

 

[abija]

Yes, moving slower is the main difference between POE1 and POE2. If you move slower, you need to watch out and interact with mechanics, ranged isn't autowin, game designers have to balance game differently and so on.

How the fuck did you get from "move slow" to "ranged isn't autowin" in a game where ranged can even backpedal while attacking? Melee is in a worse state than PoE1 even though it seems hard to achieve.
Are you seriously that retarded? Why do you even insist in arguing with people that clearly played the game 100x than you did?

And no, moving slower doesn't affect combat gameplay when there isn't any to be had. You don't care about mechanics, because guess what, you BLOW SHIT UP.

 

[Lacrymas]

So, it seems like they might stop development on PoE1 or at least slow it down considerably. That's unfortunate because it means they'll turn 2 into 1. Sad.

 

[Gerrard]

lmao rip in pieces GGG

Based.

POE2 kind of shown how many of those speedy zoom zoomers are in POE1 and how much they matter. They always were loud shitty small clique that overtook reddit in last 5-7 years.

and here are people who would rather play unfinished 0.1 version than above garbage:

Because those are definitely real players and not chinese RMT currency farming bots you dumb fuck

 

[Perkel]

Yes, moving slower is the main difference between POE1 and POE2. If you move slower, you need to watch out and interact with mechanics, ranged isn't autowin, game designers have to balance game differently and so on.

How the fuck did you get from "move slow" to "ranged isn't autowin" in a game where ranged can even backpedal while attacking? Melee is in a worse state than PoE1 even though it seems hard to achieve.
Are you seriously that retarded? Why do you even insist in arguing with people that clearly played the game 100x than you did?

And no, moving slower doesn't affect combat gameplay when there isn't any to be had. You don't care about mechanics, because guess what, you BLOW SHIT UP.

>Melee is in a worse state than PoE1

Dude. Melee doesn't exist in POE1. What you call melee in POE1 are just STR ranged spells. I am actually talking about TRUE melee aka taking your hammer and hitting something with it.

And yes melee in POE2 is better than all other arpgs. It's ranged that needs to be tuned out not melee boosted.

 

[Zeriel]

Based.

POE2 kind of shown how many of those speedy zoom zoomers are in POE1 and how much they matter. They always were loud shitty small clique that overtook reddit in last 5-7 years.

and here are people who would rather play unfinished 0.1 version than above garbage:

They paid for your game. You should really be more grateful, if you actually like PoE 2. Thing is, the crowd that loves to hate on PoE 1, from what I've seen, have their share of complaints about PoE 2. And they are... the same complaints as the "zoomers".

This is just a really dumb business decision, and we'll see that play out over time. It's like telling your investors to fuck off. If Tencent is willing to pick up the bill entirely maybe that makes sense, but GGG's situation is not analogous to Blizzard or another corporate studio, they built everything off the back of supporter packs, showing those people the middle finger is a hell of an audacious move, we'll just have to see if it is only "audacious" or also "retarded".

No, they did not. Most of normal players zoned out from zoomers community and either dropped POE1 or just didn't talk anymore on those forums.

Also i don't see how it is bad business decision when your new Early Access game does better numbers after 2 months of nothing than your biggest release ever that drops like a rock after 2 weeks. If anything them focusing on POE2 and dropping POE1 support is best business decision they could make.

That 570k peak on steam was with 0.1 version of the game in early access. When 1.0 hits it will hit easily 1,5mil.

Are you retarded? PoE 2 was funded for 6+ years from supporter packs. That's what I mean. The fact that they didn't stay for PoE 2 release doesn't matter. And I think most of them did--I know I bought into the early access hoping it would not suck, and then voila, it sucked. Oh well.

Bottom line, GGG has to really hope those new casual players stick around and buy supporter packs every league--because if they don't they just destroyed their company's business model. This is a live service company. They don't make money off casuals buying the game once, as you can sort of argue Blizzard can survive on (though even there they prefer those people to stick around and buy MTX every season). Their entire company is predicated on a repeating cycle of long-term customers who buy supporter packs every season, while the game itself is free. Lots of users is only a benefit if they stick around and monetize, and it's way too early to see if they do, with GGG's model of leagues being unusual for most casual ARPG players.

 

[Perkel]

Are you retarded? PoE 2 was funded for 6+ years from supporter packs. That's what I mean. The fact that they didn't stay for PoE 2 release doesn't matter. And I think most of them did--I know I bought into the early access hoping it would not suck, and then voila, it sucked. Oh well.

Bottom line, GGG has to really hope those new casual players stick around and buy supporter packs every league--because if they don't they just destroyed their company's business model. This is a live service company. They don't make money off casuals buying the game once, as you can sort of argue Blizzard can survive on (though even there they prefer those people to stick around and buy MTX every season). Their entire company is predicated on a repeating cycle of long-term customers who buy supporter packs every season, while the game itself is free. Lots of users is only a benefit if they stick around and monetize, and it's way too early to see if they do, with GGG's model of leagues being unusual for most casual ARPG players.

POE2 sold at minimum 5mil coppies as EE.

>Bottom line, GGG has to really hope those new casual players stick around and buy supporter packs every league--because if they don't they just destroyed their company's business model. This is a live service company.

There are more people playing EE of POE2 than ever people played POE1. That's 2 months after release. When 1.0 hits we are talking about milion+ concurrent easily just on steam

 

[Gerrard]

Yeah, when it's free to play we are talking about 1+ million of bots easily lmao
I doubt they will hang around for 2 months though because the value of RMT currency will drop like a rock.

 

[Baron Dupek]

From the creators of "PoE2 will not affect PoE1 developement" and "Ruthless is a side project" no less

so those leaks were real? again

Spoiler

 

[Perkel]

Yeah, when it's free to play we are talking about 1+ million of bots easily lmao
I doubt they will hang around for 2 months though because the value of RMT currency will drop like a rock.

copium. When POE1 barely scratches 200k it's native pure breed gronards but when POE2 blow the fuck out POE1 numbers AFTER 2 months as if new POE1 league was launched it's apparently bots.

Honestly because this is EE i thought that after a month everyone will be back to POE1 after all POE2 has limited amount of content. The fact that 2 months flew by and it is still doing 200k is huge success for GGG.

From the creators of "PoE2 will not affect PoE1 developement" and "Ruthless is a side project" no less

so those leaks were real? again

Spoiler

looks real to me. But from POV of jaded zoomer dev.

Getting WSAD was best decision they had in a while.

I talked about it like 5 years ago that ARPGs are essentially dual stick shooters and I personally discovered it when i tried D3 on console with friend in coop. For my whole life I assumed that Diablo2 couldn't be done on pad until I actually played it on pad realized how closely related are dual stick shooters to arpgs like diablo. It just feels better to have direct control over character movement rather than click to move. Obviously you loose a bit of accuracy doing that, but you gain better feeling of combat.


Chris hating modern POE1 is known to any old POE1 veteran. Back in the day he (and other heads) ware 100% attuned with people like me and other diablo exiles who needed finally to play something else than D2 and nothing could scratch it the same way.

He was the one pushing for ruthless and other major changes trying to unfuck POE1. But they failed because every time they tried to slow down game they got backlash from zoomers. They were in bad position because they didn't know if zooming was what made game finally go to widesea with breach expansion or that it was their design that made it do it. They got burned heavily on one of leagues where they tried to scale back power at the same time league launched and got shit retention rate. So after that they catalogued as them just being out of tune not that league itself was shit.

POE2 kind of proves that yeah, they were right not the zoomers.

 

[ArchAngel]

Be careful, in PoE1 you need to have 5 damage supports with your main skill if you can. Game expects that to be able to run high tier endgame maps. Uniques like this are not that good since they are only 4l. At best you can use it as auto curse or something.

Lol, it's what I use on my 100M+ dps hierophant.

https://pobb.in/3wc10wAqlxKs

That does not disprove what I said. You are still using 6l body armor for your main skill and using helmet for curse and casting frostbolts. So as a support autocaster.

 

[Jermu]

makes you wonder how bad RMT / bot spamming messages are going to be when poe2 is free to play now there is at least entry fee for em to spam before getting banned

 

[Israfael]

And yes melee in POE2 is better than all other arpgs. It's ranged that needs to be tuned out not melee boosted.

Lol, what melee in poe2, can you elaborate? Every 'melee' uses duo-herald or something like that that chain procs and explodes whole screens of mobs, or monk skills that allow you to move at 100% run speed for free. So it's even farther away from your mythical trve melee than in poe1

That does not disprove what I said. You are still using 6l body armor for your main skill and using helmet for curse and casting frostbolts. So as a support autocaster.

If you read the description of the 6L skill, it literally does several TIMES less damage if this frostbolt autocast is not present, so you either have to do it via arcanist brand, manually or with this helmet (at the price of substantial cast speed decrease, which is one of the best DPS scaling stat for this build, especially of its non crit league starter variety)

 

[Perkel]

Imho they should do just 60$ 1.0 release like normal game and cut on the mtx bullshit. And then take 10$ to access new league when it comes out.

$60 you can play standard with sales down the line
$10 to access new league everytime new league/expansion is released.

So kind of semi-subscription model. Lately they have been spending way too much effort on MTX garbage instead of making game better. This would allow them for long support and make decent bux without MTX garbage.

They aren't unknown new zeland dev with noname game anymore.

 

[abija]

>Melee is in a worse state than PoE1

Dude. Melee doesn't exist in POE1. What you call melee in POE1 are just STR ranged spells. I am actually talking about TRUE melee aka taking your hammer and hitting something with it.

And yes melee in POE2 is better than all other arpgs. It's ranged that needs to be tuned out not melee boosted.

The mace abilities that are melee (considering your own definition) are auto-attack, armour breaker, perfect strike. That's all. Best fucking melee right here folks. Totally not another str ranged/screen wide aoe build (but just gimpier than in poe1).
Stop arguing when you KNOW you didn't play the fucking game. Your own fantasy after watching prerelease footage doesn't count.

 

[Zeriel]

From the creators of "PoE2 will not affect PoE1 developement" and "Ruthless is a side project" no less

so those leaks were real? again

Spoiler

I don't know why people doubted them, in retrospect it's all correct. And the only things we don't have public confirmation of... well, if they're true, it's even worse than expected. And they do kinda make sense. The whole focus on shooter aspect is especially eyebrow-raising but makes a lot of things that seemed nonsensical suddenly make sense.

Or rather, I get the skepticism at the time, but since EA was released and everything factual there turned out the way posted, uhhh... yeah.

 

[Perkel]

The mace abilities that are melee (considering your own definition) are auto-attack, armour breaker, perfect strike. That's all. Best fucking melee right here folks. Totally not another str ranged/screen wide aoe build (but just gimpier than in poe1).
Stop arguing when you KNOW you didn't play the fucking game. Your own fantasy after watching prerelease footage doesn't count.

And rolling slam, and boneshatter, and shield charge and leap slam and supercharged slam and stampede... and that just a mace skills alone with 0.1 version of game without flails, spears, swords, axes.

I don't have particular hate toward ranged melee my problem is when rangen melee becomes everything there is which is the case of POE1.

Even skills like molten blast has plausible of deniability by sticking actual weapon into fucking ground and sending those molten bits forward instead of being fucking attack in place with shit just being fling from place where you stand which makes it no different than some version of fireball. IT has animation, movement and ways in which you should and shouldn't use it.

To argue that melee in POE1 is better than in POE2 is just making sure everyone treats you as fucking clown mate. POE1 has the worst melee from all arpgs and that just universally known truth by everyone. Even Grim Dawn with it's shitty autoattacks has more fun melee than POE1.

"Ranged gameplay is for gays and pedos. Real men play axe and hack their way out." - A. Einstain 1952

 

[BlackAdderBG]

Perkel "VR is the future and SC is not a scam" , stop posting your retarded opinions.