Might and Magic Might & Magic X Pre-Release Thread

[Infinitron]

As far as publisher evilness goes, I suspect that Ubisoft will mandate that MMX get a bunch of DLC if the game is reasonably successful. We already know it's going to have at least one piece of DLC that preorderers will get for free.

It may also be that the game will be rushed out incomplete; I hope the Limbic guys didn't go too crazy trying to make the game as big or bigger than Xeen.

 

[narupley]

Here are the full raw chat logs from the IRC dev chat today:

#mmxdev: http://hastebin.com/vofowukaka.xml
#mmxfeedback: http://hastebin.com/jonupolumu.xml

Sheesh, that evpkol character is such an insufferable git.

He's the same way on the forums: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...-chat-3-quot?p=9389078&viewfull=1#post9389078

Naaaah, the grid has nothing to do with most of game's problems.

Yes it does. It plays the crucial role in this great downfall.
For some reason the whole thing about grid occupied developers minds so much, they thought: "Yes grid is the defining feature, to hell with big world, to hell with player/world interraction, to hell with complex character development, to hell with choice driven situations, to hell with paperdolls, to hell with any other innovative ideas and novelties, we don't need them, WE HAVE GRID".

So generally it is: "To hell with a lot of elements which make an RPG game an actual RPG in favor of GRID."
All their work is concentrated around the grid, their main efforts are dedicated to improving grid-playing experience, they don't have even a slightest intention of looking in any other direction.

This is what i meant when told that "Grid killed the game".
If you won't get it this time, put so plain and simple...well i don't know then.

 

[m_s0]

Well, if Limbic are to be believed, Ubisoft is pretty lenient about such projects compared to other publishers. Stephan told me that in his personal opinion, M&MX couldn't have happened with any other publisher the size of Ubisoft. Of course, Limbic have pretty obvious reasons to like Ubisoft at the moment, so I guess you can take that with a grain of salt.

And I bet it's true to some extent since MMX is actually happening and it's clearly rooted in the 3-5 era. A bit unexpected for 2013-2014. But then you've got crap like this:

We already know it's going to have at least one piece of DLC that preorderers will get for free

Which is another practice that should die and it definitely doesn't make my decision easier. Or maybe it does. Depends how you look at it.

 

[Grunker]

Well, that sort of stuff comes with the territory (large publisher) I suppose. The fact that they're willing to take risks and support creative talent doesn't mean all the other shit goes away

 

[Grunker]

Here are the full raw chat logs from the IRC dev chat today:

#mmxdev: http://hastebin.com/vofowukaka.xml
#mmxfeedback: http://hastebin.com/jonupolumu.xml

Sheesh, that evpkol character is such an insufferable git.

He's the same way on the forums: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...-chat-3-quot?p=9389078&viewfull=1#post9389078

Naaaah, the grid has nothing to do with most of game's problems.

Yes it does. It plays the crucial role in this great downfall.
For some reason the whole thing about grid occupied developers minds so much, they thought: "Yes grid is the defining feature, to hell with big world, to hell with player/world interraction, to hell with complex character development, to hell with choice driven situations, to hell with paperdolls, to hell with any other innovative ideas and novelties, we don't need them, WE HAVE GRID".

So generally it is: "To hell with a lot of elements which make an RPG game an actual RPG in favor of GRID."
All their work is concentrated around the grid, their main efforts are dedicated to improving grid-playing experience, they don't have even a slightest intention of looking in any other direction.

This is what i meant when told that "Grid killed the game".
If you won't get it this time, put so plain and simple...well i don't know then.

OK I detest grids but that is fucking stupid

 

[groke]

Ubisoft pretty clearly got the AAA death-fear in their bones after THQ ate dirt. They're making Kotaku's dream JRPG, ffs.

 

[Luzur]

Will there be an option for real-time combat as in previous M&M games, or is this game only turn-based?

To the most funny thing is that people still haven't given up real-time gameplay. I wonder how many more times will the devs have to repeat that that MMX is inspired by WOX primarily before people get it.

but then they would have to explain what WoX is.

 

[Zeriel]

Luzur

Could you ask/or do you know whether or not they're planning on releasing a list of the elements used in the StaticData .CSV's? Stuff like ADDITIONAL_STRIKE, APPLY_GASH, et cetera, seems pretty weird to expect people to mod it through trial and error, but I gotta ask.

 

[Luzur]

Luzur

Could you ask/or do you know whether or not they're planning on releasing a list of the elements used in the StaticData .CSV's? Stuff like ADDITIONAL_STRIKE, APPLY_GASH, et cetera, seems pretty weird to expect people to mod it through trial and error, but I gotta ask.

alright, will do.

 

[Zeriel]

Well, we can say farwell to remakes of early M&Ms on M&M X engine. Quite sad, i was looking forward to playing with the editor but the Pro license requirements kills the modding scene in womb. I'd say drop the editor and put that effort into the game itself. That's really sad :-(

I don't see why people couldn't still make them. It's not that hard to torrent Unity Pro. Overall, I don't understand the logic behind remaking old, good games in a modern engine. I mean, these games are still great. You can go play them in all their glory. Remaking them in a new engine without the features that made them good (idiosyncratic things like how skills work in those games that aren't the same in MMX) and with different models/art just seems pointless to me.

Now a mod that creates something new? That's the whole point of these kits, to me.

 

[Abelian]

Overall, I don't understand the logic behind remaking old, good games in a modern engine. I mean, these games are still great. You can go play them in all their glory. Remaking them in a new engine without the features that made them good (idiosyncratic things like how skills work in those games that aren't the same in MMX) and with different models/art just seems pointless to me.

Now a mod that creates something new? That's the whole point of these kits, to me.

I agree with this point of view. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I don't get this obsession with remakes. Reminds of the thread about some guy working 7 years on implementing Baldur's Gate 1 in the NWN2 engine or Jane Jensen working on a Gabriel Knight 1 remake rather than expanding the series.

 

[theSavant]

The point is to make old games with proven gameplay visually appealing to newer generations (and to milk money). However most remakes fail that by delivering crappy 3D models, blurry textures, wooden animations - worse than the pixel graphics of their predecessors

 

[Zeriel]

Yeah, I specifically mean when people are excited about mods that remake older games. By their very nature, almost all mods are restricted in the mechanics they can use, so it seems like a disaster. At least NWN mods that remade Baldur's Gate existed in the same general rules framework.

 

[narupley]

Heh, Nicolas Corral of Ubisoft touting the virtues of Uplay:

https://mightandmagicx-legacy.ubi.com/opendev/blog/post/view/uplay-and-m-m-x

Just look at the wonderful things you'll be able to unlock by racking up their special proprietary points!

 

[Infinitron]

That's really dumb.

 

[Zeriel]

Jesus christ, really?

I have no words.

 

[Grunker]

That is some of the stupidest shit I have read in a long time.

 

[V_K]

Let's just hope it'll be the worst thing that happens to the game.

 

[Crooked Bee]

Typical Uplay crap, nothing to be surprised about here.

Also I have about 50 (or maybe even more, can't recall) Uplay points just by playing Assassin's Creed III, so I guess those 10-40 points will be easy enough to get after you've played the game for some time.

 

[Caim]

Honestly I think that using points you get from achievements is a great way to artificially extend gameplay incentivize playing the game more, but that's just bad.

 

[Bubbles]

Also I have about 50 (or maybe even more, can't recall) Uplay points just by playing Assassin's Creed III

So what you're saying is, Uplay points are extremely difficult to get.

 

[Shadenuat]

Catgirls are always welcome in my party
But really, what does that meow mean, and what makes that mage hireling different from others. duh.

 

[narupley]

Catgirls are always welcome in my party
But really, what does that meow mean, and what makes that mage hireling different from others. duh.

It's obviously a reference to the obligatory animal-sound religions of each M&M.

[20:01] <@UBI-Julien> OK one last one for the road : "please add some cats to the game! " => Well if you played Heroes VI you might know there is a Temple of Meow somewhere on Ashan... So who knows... :p

 

[Broseph]

Temple of Meow :3

This furry is pleased. Not with the bullshit points thing, but if you earn them by playing then whatever.

 

[Shadenuat]

I only remember Temple of Baa. Guess I didn't pay much attention