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As an aside, how should I deal with magic items? Since we're an all-caster group, a lot of th emagic weapons and armor are going to waste. Conversely, the caster goodies (especially cloaks of charisma and amulets of wisdom) will be highly sought after. Should I:


A) Suck it up and remain woefully undergeared
B) Get craft wondrous item on one person and have their XP drained so they will be permanently underleveled as everyone elses crafting bitch
C) Get craft wondrous item on EVERYONE so XP will be equally drained but everyone's short a feat
D) Bring in a 6th crafting character to make items for the group and vanish again
E) As B, but "acidentally" have the crafting gimp killed off once he lags a few levels behind so we can replace him with a higher-XP successor


The XP cost to craft items has always bothered me. At least pathfinder did away with the practice. It's not so much the gold rebate that makes crafting feats almost mandatory as it is the convenience of getting the item you absolutely NEED instead of a +1 Halberd of Ooze bane.
 
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HAPPY FUN DECISION TIME AT THE END OF THIS UPDATE!

Blood for the Blood God!

Once Neko Noir had identified the partys recently procured loot, they went to sell Roxorowskis now-obsolite breastplate. Apparently, the smith had heard of roving bands of pig-like smelly creatures. The party decided to go troll them and take their shinies.
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Lacking a Quality Utility Excavation Steam Technology Compass, the party went from house to house trying to locate the village elder. (Seriously, Troika. Map markers are a GOOD THING).
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I guess we may as well start with the biggest, fanciest cottages and work our way down.
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Got it in one! :smug:
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Both. Our business is acquiring valuables, which we find immensely pleasurable :smug:
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I see, and how can we help you?
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Brother Smyth said you had some problems with Trolls Orcs. What's wrong?
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Well there are rumors of a band of Trolls orcs wrecking havoc up north. They're supposed to be holed up in an undergound bunker.
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We'll look into this rumor right away [travel immediately to hunt some orc]

What can I say? Co8 quest writers are lazy so far :roll:
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Upon arriving, we're immediately greeted by a derpy goblin.
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Who are you and why should I care?
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I ask the questions! I am Noblig, supreme commander of the watch! I say, what are you doing here!?
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WEll, Nobby, I suggest you run along and advise your "supreme commander" that this place is about to be overrun. Is your commander just another goblin like you?
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Kallop the great gnoll leader? Yes, of course! Kallop will tear out your insides and feast! You'll see!
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And who is his commander?
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Boonthag the great Bugbear mistress? Boonthag will crush you between her formidable haunches! You'll see!

(I swear, I didn't make that up)

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Yes, yes, Boonthag. and her commander is...?
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[the goblin considers.] There is yet Lord Ruff, the great orc lieutenant! And then there awaits Lord Krunch, the great orc captain! They will destroy you!
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So they are the bosses then?
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No, fool! Today you shall die! They will all summon his Wonderfulness Lord Hungous, the High Commander himself! Do you see?
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But wait. I thought you said you were the commander?
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[The goblin looks confused.] You! Stop talking! I take you prisoner now! Come with me!
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I'll do no such thing. Run off, little goblin, if you value your wretched life.
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[The goblin hesitates.] Er...for this you shall pay! wait here! I shall summon my officer. He is but a short distance this, um [he looks off into the bushes] this way. Fool!

[The goblin runs off, but not before producing a small device into which he blows to create a surprisingly loud and resounding tone. This is obviously an alarm.]

Yeah... Not too impressed with the Co8 writers at the moment. (Except for the bugbear who crushes manlings with her thighs. that's solid incline right there). Although I guess a retarded, forced monologue about all the bosses is fitting for the supreme commander of "The Watch".

Anyway, a fight broke out soon
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Though between Bees sound burst and Mrowakius'es glitterdust, most of the enemies didn't really do anything in the encounter.

Only the leader made his saves. And you know what the Kodex Kaster Krew do with men strong enough to make it past the killing ground
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I think I'll call this one Boris :love:

Boris made short work of the cannon fodder
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(Oh Vault Dweller preserve us, not another one of these infodumps). Who the fuck are you?
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I am Dolkob, sargeant of the kobolds! I repeat, leave here now and do not return!
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Yes, yes. I already got that lecture from you rlittle friend Noblig.
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Noblig is a fool and would do well to keep his mouth shut, but he is right if he told you that you will die here. This place is not for you. flee at once!
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I'll take my chances, thanks.
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You may not like your chances so well when you see what lies beyond. Did Noblig tell you of that which is not named, that which dwells below? Even if you kill all that dwell above, it will destroy you below!
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That sounds interesting. I'll be sure to search around then.
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Suit yourself, but rest assured, you will die. I will either see you dead myself in another place, or I will see you when you join me in the afterlife! [with this the kobold turns and vanishes]

:hmmm:

Barely 10 steps into the first area. I sure hope that the quality of writing either picks up or vanishes altogether. It's not even bad enough to make proper fun of.
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3 steps on and another fight breaks out. We enlarge Boris and send him in to tank for us
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You can do it! I beleive in you! And stuffies!

And so he did. Enlarged orcs with barbarian rage hit like trucks.
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(Oh for crying out loud!)
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[The gnoll appears to defer to a very large female bugbear at his side.]
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As well he should!
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I am Kallop, captain of the gnolls at Hickory Branch. But this...this is Boonthag the Terrible!
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Boonthag. Yes, we've already heard of Boonthag and her... haunches.

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:incline:
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I don't take prisoners! I crush! But I may take your broken skulls as a charm!
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:love:
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So not impressed.
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[The bugbear laughs.] As if I care. go on your way and do as you like. Kallop and I will not stop you ourselves, for we will see you later...If you pass a quicktime event!
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What's that supposed to mean?
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We're immediately ambushed by a shitload of orcs
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Massive buffing follows
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And Bee picks up a henchman of her own
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Mrowakus keeps the enemies from reaching the squishies
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This happened a lot. Noir is apparently not as desirable as we've been led to beleive
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Chauvanist pig!

Meanwhile, Bee continues building her Harem
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Berekäns animal companion bites the dust
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Udyr! Noooooooo!

With everyone but the archers killed, Mrowakius'es grease hinders us more than the enemy. Fortunately you can dismiss it. Whilesale slughter of archers followed.
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Very well. Then flee! We shall not pursue you. for now!
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Still no deal. Why should we flee?
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You are weak! You do not have the strength to pursue us further! And already our preparations to seal the cave are underway. So your mission is pointless.
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what cave?
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The sanctum of lord Hungous and his spiritual and mystical advisors. They await you there, and the rest of us will soon await you there as well. Even if you reach us you will not have the strength to defeat us!
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I'll be the judge of that.
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You vainly overestimate yourself! But come if you must. We will meet in a short while, I think. I still think you should leave and consider yourself lucky at that. [the orc disappears out of sight to the northwest]

The party is getting quite large by now
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Another fight breaks out shortly after. Our orcish compatriots charge into the fray, eager to please their elven mistresses
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:smug:

We were running quite low on spells. So Bee laid down suppressive fire on the enemy orc shaman to keep him from casting.
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Mrowakius used the most broken spell in the game to give nearly every enemy a 50% miss chance. This should buy us time
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Only too late do these orcish Buffons realize who weilds the true might in this party!

The orcs took offense ot this. Mrowakius is nearly one-shotted by an assassin popping out of nowhere. Only the timely intervention of Neko Noir saves him
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Seeing the assassin unsuccessful, an orc charges straight through our lines to finish the deed
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RIP Mrowakius. The AI really didn't like you. :/ There were 3 orcish archers out of sight range who used all their actions readying vs. spells and shooting at you if you tried to do anything.

The spontaneous charge of the Orcs left Neko Noir in a bad position. She couldn't really use her colour spray without ruining the charm person spells that were providing our meatshields
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Not that it mattered. The orcs made his save against her strongest enchantment spell.
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Down, but not out. Berekän used a scrollsie of cure serious wounds on our beloved witch. The AI took offense to this.
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RIP Neko Noir. :salute: You truly were the best of us.
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HEY!


With Neko Noir down, Boris shook off the enchantment that bound him to us. And he was still enlarged. :what:
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Things began to look grim. Both of our dwarves were bleeding profusely. Only Bees harem of orcs kept tasteless Raep at bay.
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Archers with readied actions continued to make spellcasting difficult. Berekan healed up and charged one of them with his longspear
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Only to get oneshoteed in return.
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RIP Berekän. Your candle burned brightly and guttered out too soon. :salute:

:retarded: The fuck is up with that damage? The archers did 3x as much damage with their "backup" melee weapons instead of bows.
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Roxorowski went down too, but immediately stabilized
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I TOLD YE! I BE SO UGLY HELL SPAT ME BACK OUT!
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The charmed orcs slaughter each other for Bees amusement. This provides enough XP for a level up. :incline:
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BONUS PICTURE: Roxorowski is a smelly, bearded god of war!
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So this leaves us with a bit of a conundrum. Who gets our scroll of raise dead?

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Neko Noir: Who's the only one in the party that bothered to learn identify. And is quite handy with charm person and stuffies.

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Mrowakius: Who knows the most broken spell in the game (Glitterdust). And recently threatened to discontinue his LP :decline:

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Berekän: Who never really got a chance to shine

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Kingcomrade: Who runs a shop in Hommlet and isn't paticularly happy with us after Bee blackmailed him.
 

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Ulminati said:
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Mrowakius: Who knows the most broken spell in the game (Glitterdust). And recently threatened to discontinue his LP :decline:

I think I'll start KotC LP and stuffies. You are too much of a competition. Half of the point of doing my LP was showing off the new stuff Sitra Achara and crew added to ToEE. Now that you are doing this yourself and that you are much farther than I am, making practically identical LP feels pointless.

If I should start KotC LP, which class would you like to be?

Edit: I see they added lot's of stuff I haven't seen in Co8 NC 6.0.0. Orc Assassins attacking out of nowhere? Me like! :love:

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Not when they shove a sword down your throat, arsehole!
 
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:x

I only did this as a distraction because I was having faptastic fun following your LP! And now you're lulzblocking me before my character has had a chance to shine in your LP? For shame, Mrowak. For shame. Besides, your characterizations of Bee & Cat are lulzier than mine. I wouldn't be ahead if you just posted updates. I was fully planning to abandon this at some point anyway.
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...KotC. Enh. To be honest the game did nothing for me.
 

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Ulminati said:
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I only did this as a distraction because I was having faptastic fun following your LP!

I was hoping you'd move your lazy arse and do stuff for me. Objective achieved. :troll:

Frankly, though, I haven't decided yet what to do. I do have lots of screenies that beg to be posted, that's true.

Regarding your wizardess joining the party - killing off a character without triggering a TPK is proving to be... challenging.

...KotC. Enh. To be honest the game did nothing for me.

Curious. Apart from graphics, fewer classes and slightly altered magic system it is practically ToEE.
 

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Erm, Terjohn ressurrects dudes for 550 gold per resurrecton, you have at least 5k gold stashed and 4 dudes left, so what's the problem? Resurrect everyone or else you just won't be able to bring your average party level back to the tolerable height.
 
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Pope Amole said:
Erm, Terjohn ressurrects dudes for 550 gold per resurrecton, you have at least 5k gold stashed and 4 dudes left, so what's the problem? Resurrect everyone or else you just won't be able to bring your average party level back to the tolerable height.

Eh, new characters enter the campaign at the same level as the lowest-level party member. It's how it's been done in EVERY pen & paper campaign I've played in or heard of. Bringing a level 1 character into a level 5 party is just plain retarded DMing.

Also, the party kinda burned down Terjons church in the opening vignette. I don't think he'd be happy to see us :M
 
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Half tempted to, mister Thin Man. If Roxorowski had died I'd have used the scroll on him in an instant though. He's made of pure awesome.

Of course it helps he's the only member of the party with any decent kind of magic lewt. :M

As an aside, Berekän pointed out to me that rangers technically get spells later, so they qualify as Casters.

It's cheesy as fuck, but whatev mang. It's not like we'll be able to use 80% of the loot in the game without more meatshieldy types.

Tzeentch is pleased with the decision
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And here's what he looks like after being brought up to party level. (No items yet though).
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Bee's actually remarkably useful at the moment. Once she hit level 3 and got precise shot, her arrows started hitting shit. And all of her spells (except charm person) have really long ranges so she doesn't have to expose herself like Mrowakius and Neko Noir have to. I'm seriously considering rapid shot, bracers of archery and gloves of dexterity for her once she hits level 6.

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Shite, this voting is taking forever. Let's kill something already!
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Never rush important decisions, you repulsive smelly manling
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Let's kill something and take all of its valuables for our own.
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I like the way you think!

Orcs were looted
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Roxorowski's spell preparations changed to reflect the fact that this was a 2-man operation
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And off we went to pick a fight!
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Stay tuned! :troll:
 

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Since you were worn out at this point, and went back to Hommlet to rest, the final cave fight is going to be harder. You had better prepare!

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Lacking a Quality Utility Excavation Steam Technology Compass, the party went from house to house trying to locate the village elder. (Seriously, Troika. Map markers are a GOOD THING).

*cough* usethesignpost *cough*

Resurrection - I vote no one. Death -> Next!
(if you must, you can use Jaroo's services instead of Terjon's. Hopefully you haven't pissed him off yet)
 
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I cannot let ye before the grand cleric so heavily armed! You must relinquish your weapons here.
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I'll relinquish one arrow. Where do you want it?
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Er, I'm sure the grand cleric won't mind you carrying your... cultural accessories.
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Smart lad.

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Well, out with it woman! Why have you interrupted my mast- meditation!?
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Well, see, we were passing by Wilip some time ago. Turns out the church was highly flammable. :smug:
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What is this treachery? [realization hitting him and to himself] Oh, poor acolyte Albie. I hope he made it out all right.
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[struggling not to smile at the recollection] Oh that poor little acolyte! He ran out of the church on fire and burned to death in searing agony while the onlookers were too stunned to aid him. Of course, that could have been any acolyte of St Avellone.
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[He squints at you.] I detect your evil nature. Do not think that you fool me. However, I sense no good will come off giving you the butthurt you crave by delivering this message. Perhaps you seek salvation and see that St Avellone have the means by which you may receive Consequences for your Choices.
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Assuming we seek choice and consequence, what would St. Avellone have us do?
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A most dire task! An epic quest, years in the making! You must seek out the vile corruption beneath the abandoned moathouse which you must infiltrate to...
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No offense BRO, but you don't seem to realize who we are. Do I look like a mole to you?
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Er-
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That's right. I'm a Codex Senior Popamole Eradication and Containment Tactical Recon Element. Now, I already went there. Moles can either step aside or get crushed under my heel. Moathouses are a problem below my pay grade.
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[losing his compsure] Well, if you're seeking a level-inappropriate encounter, why don't you just fuck off and go kill ahill giant or something!?
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Well, maybe I will!

The duo quickly departed for Emridy Meadows while Terjon was still stunned after Bee channeled shepherd
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A bunch of skeleton moles tried to ambush them, but Roxorowski's turn undead popped them before they got the chance
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Progress was swift. (Thank god for turn undead. Both our current party members deal piercing damage and have enchantments memorized so actual combat would've taken forever)
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Spotting their quarry, Bee opened combat with Tasha's Hideous bladder Laughter
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Roxor began summoning in meatshields while Bee added glitterdust on top to further prevent the giant abd bear from doing anything useful
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And then they just stood back and watched the encounter fight itself
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Bee did have to recast Tashe's Hideous laughter once. But the giant failed its save again and was out for the remainder of the right
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Roxor claimed the killing blow and proceeded to loot the giant
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Which means we can now buy masterwork items
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Meanwhile, the bodies of our brave, fallen comrades are slowly decomposing
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I can't help but think we might've done better for them than leaving their corpses out on the street while we decided whether or not to ressurect them.
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Meh [shrugs]
 

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the most broken spell in the game (Glitterdust)
That title belongs to "Stinking Cloud". Horrible spoiler, I avoid it whenever I can.

Also,

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I like how the dead are flatfooted in their grave. :D
 
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Lonely Vazdru said:
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the most broken spell in the game (Glitterdust)
That title belongs to "Stinking Cloud". Horrible spoiler, I avoid it whenever I can.

Normally I'd say you were right, since a balanced party could have meatshields standing at the edge of the AoE to keep enemies in the wonderful cloud of you-are-royally-screwed. But with an all-caster party it's harder to contain movement. Web/entangle/grease sometimes works, but in crowded spaces it's difficult not to hit allies as well. Potentially disastrous when half those allies are charmed enemies. Glitterdust benefits from the fact that the debuff stays on enemies no matter where they go. Also, it only allows one save - versus will, which is typically the weakest on monsters - compared to stinking clouds continual fortitude saves - which are typically the strongest on monsters.

Also, unless people start voting, I'll assume the kingcomrade option won, sell of the raise dead scroll and let any further deaths remain dead. It was kind of a downer to have to stop my playthrough just as the ball rolling because I had to put up a ressurection vote. :P
 

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Glitterdust benefits from the fact that the debuff stays on enemies no matter where they go. Also, it only allows one save
Same with broken Stinking Cloud. You "carry it around" with you and there are no more saves once you're sickened. It's so broken it can even turn the hardest Co8 fight into a walk in the meadow.
 
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Huh? In that case they changed it. Oh well. Party hit level 5 in last update. Proceed with operation cheesemonger.
 

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I don't know about changing it, it always was broken as far as I remember. Then again, I haven't played the vanilla version in a long time.
 

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Stinking Cloud is hard coded and was never modified. It's also fairly close to RAW:

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Stinking Cloud
Conjuration (Creation)
Level: Sor/Wiz 3
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Effect: Cloud spreads in 20-ft. radius, 20 ft. high
Duration: 1 round/level
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates; see text
Spell Resistance: No
Stinking cloud creates a bank of fog like that created by fog cloud, except that the vapors are nauseating. Living creatures in the cloud become nauseated. This condition lasts as long as the creature is in the cloud and for 1d4+1 rounds after it leaves. (Roll separately for each nauseated character.) Any creature that succeeds on its save but remains in the cloud must continue to save each round on your turn.

Stinking cloud can be made permanent with a permanency spell. A permanent stinking cloud dispersed by wind reforms in 10 minutes.

Material Component
A rotten egg or several skunk cabbage leaves.

The exploity part of it is:
1. I think the duration outside the SC is longer. (same as spell, just 1round/level)
2. You continue making saves even after exiting the cloud. (i.e. even if you made the save and exited the cloud)
3. The AI is often too stupid to leave the cloud, anyway.
4. There's a magic item that's supposed to grant immunity; it doesn't work. (though it's not a common item)

But even without those it's fairly OP as it is.

So, indeed, if you want to cheese the game - there's a scroll of SC in the Moathouse. Copy it, and scribe it a bunch of times... Combine with Cloudkill and even the Balor is minced meat.

While we're at it - the ToEE cheese list:
1. Charm Person - woops, we forgot the +5 to save the victim is supposed to be granted when it or its allies are threatened by the party. Not to mention it should probably not cause an NPC to attack its friends anyway. And where did the Charisma checks go?
2. Bard's Fascinate ability - "The distraction of a nearby combat or other dangers prevents the ability from working" - shouldn't work in combat at all.
3. Scrolls - No AoOs triggered. Also works when silenced.
4. Reach weapons do not have donut threat range. Yeah, suddenly Glaive + Great Cleave is awsum!
5. Cleave combines with Whirlwind Attack.
6. (vanilla) Suggestion - Dominate Monster at level 3 / 5? Nice.
7. Spiritual Weapon Distraction - hopefully fixed in 7.0 ;)
8. As mentioned, Stinking Cloud.
9. Crafting - because time is meaningless...
9.a. Crafting level 0 scrolls for free money.
10. Otiluke's Resilient Sphere. Fools the AI (almost) every time.
11. While per the rules - freakin' Fragarach / Scather.
 
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Well, I was fully planning on getting SC anyway. :P I mainly play spellcasters in pen & paper. SC, Black Tentacles, Summon Monster and force cage have always been my favourite spells.

I distinctly remember people getting a save every turn, but maybe it's just a houserule we've used to many times it's just commonly expected these days.
 

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I'll also add that the DC must be higher than intended since high level characters with high fortitude saves will fail nonetheless.

And
Nauseated :
Nauseated creatures are unable to attack, cast spells, concentrate on spells, or do anything else requiring attention. The only action such a character can take is a single move action per turn
I don't think you even get that much, you just stand helplessly still.

Sitra Achara said:
There's a magic item that's supposed to grant immunity; it doesn't work.
Good to know, Amulet of Health +6 says thank you.
 

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