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Let's bitch about STEAM! - The Thread!

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I'm sorry, where did I say people should 'use it and stop complaining?' I was merely stating how I feel about Steam. By all means, people are free to bitch and moan about being forced to use Steam. I simply don't care. I find Steam much more convenient than the alternatives (especially shit sites like Gamersgate) and if anything ever happens so that Steam closes and/or goes bad, then tough shit. I own very few games on Steam that I really care about replaying and/or can't get my hands on again.

Steam is simple to use, it's convenient and I enjoy the community features. That's all I expect from it. I don't mind at all when games are steam exclusive (and they're in the minority anyway). I live in 2013, not 2008.
 

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With DotA Valve is going F2P right out of the bat, hoping to equal or surpass League of Legends in Usernumbers, generating profits with microtransaction from cosmetic items just like LoL does. If you don't know, LoL is a massive financial success.

True, but the thing to keep in mind is LoL is the game which truly kicked off the free to play/supported by microtransaction trend. And they've built their loyalty over years of good service.

As for Valve on the other hand, you'll need Steam to run DOTA 2, and it won't cost anything to play. In direct sales terms, they are losing money by maintaining them, but it isn't just the microtransactions they can support the games with. It's also the Steam cash flow. And what does having the Steam client so close encourage you to do?

That's what I meant. They're both easy hooks into Steam, so despite costing money to maintain, just by existing the way they are, they'll provide profits to Valve. Not a bad system, although I can't imagine another company doing the same things and keeping afloat beyond a few years, unless that free to play game wasn't the only one to their name.


Hopefully the last time I will respond in this Thread, I just can't let this sit in here unanswered.
Every user to a "Free 2 Play", "Play 4 Free" or "Freemium" game is a potential customer, yes. But not only to the Platform the game is featured on, but also to the game itself. You do not loose money maintaining a successful Free2Play game, you earn money from items sold and make a profit. That is the business model. When developing and releasing a F2P Game, you don't generally intent "to keep afloat" as you put it or "lure people in to your Store to purchase other things". No, your goal is to earn a healthy profit through the game you have created.

League of Legends has a standalone client, no hook into Steam or another Distribution Platform. Same with World of Tanks, War Thunder or any other of the dozens of F2P games out there. They don't have a Distribution Platform they are trying to promote, why do you think these games exist? Let me go ahead an answer that for you: To earn money from their F2P game.

Hell, just look at the App Store from Apple. Many F2P games on there as well and they generate profit both for Apple and the Developers of the games. Not by luring users in to the platform, and hoping to earn money from other purchases but by the games themselves.

Wikipedia said:
Mobile analytics company Flurry reported on July 7, 2011, that based on its research, the revenue from free-to-play games had overtaken revenue from premium games that earn revenue through traditional means in Apple's App Store, for the top 100 grossing games when comparing the results for the months of January and June in 2011.

Also, LoL might be one of the factors microtransactions have become more popular with Publishers and Developers, but it hardly kicked off the trend all by itself. The model originates in Asia and was adopted by the West before, LoL just is the most prominent example of a F2P success story.
 

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AgentBJ09: "Valve is good? It's only because they're evil enough to be good!!"

Obvious shitposter is obvious, folks.

This. Shitposter trying to hard to sound intelligent. I rarely used ignore and it wasn't even on people that were 'offensive' just willfully stupid or blatant trolls. The plus side is you don't see their dumb threads at all when they create them.
 
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It was all the rage to have circle-jerk arguments about how corrupt and evil Steam was and how it was destroying the gaming industry in 2008.

Ironically I was very vocal on the subject in 2008 because I still had dial-up in 2008.
So? It's not like anything has changed.
 

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I live in 2013, not 2008.
What does it even mean?

It was all the rage to have circle-jerk arguments about how corrupt and evil Steam was and how it was destroying the gaming industry in 2008.

Took you only 5 years to give up and enjoy Gabe's cock up your ass? I guess that's better than some of the other folk in this thread, who had an explosive orgasm the moment Gabe forcefully shoved his cock up their assholes.

Steam is just as bad as it was in 2003. Nothing has changed.
 

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Steam is just as bad as it was in 2003. Nothing has changed.

Much has changed.
In 2003 only Half-Life 2 required Steam. Nowadays most new AAA titles seem to be tied to Steam, at least those few I'm really interested in (Skyrim, the new Deus Ex game, Dishonoured).
Fortunately I have a huge backlog and there are thriving indie and modding scenes, so it will be a long time before I'm "forced" to become a Steamster.
 

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Ultimately, saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Steam isn't really different from saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Windows. Both are "platforms" that the player is forced to install to play his game.

Standardized platforms and APIs are part of computing. They always have been, always will be.
 
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Really? Have you evER TRIED TO PLAY A GAME WITHOUT AN OPERATION SYSTEM???!!!!!!!!

God, that's the most retarded thing I have ever heard on the internets. I don't want to live any more.
 

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Ultimately, saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Steam isn't really different from saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Windows. Both are "platforms" that the player is forced to install to play his game.

What a shitty comparison.
Steam already requires an operating system like Windows.
 

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Ultimately, saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Steam isn't really different from saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Windows. Both are "platforms" that the player is forced to install to play his game.

What a shitty comparison.
Steam already requires an operating system like Windows.

Yes, one platform is layered on top of the other. So what? Most games today require DirectX, and DirectX requires Windows.

My point here is, a platform or API can be good or bad, but opposing a particular platform or API merely because it is a platform or API doesn't make much sense.
 
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Ultimately, saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Steam isn't really different from saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Windows. Both are "platforms" that the player is forced to install to play his game.

Standardized platforms and APIs are part of computing. They always have been, always will be.

Well there are people who won't buy a game that doesn't play on their preferred OS. As non-windows OS gain enough market share that these people represent a significant loss of potential revenue, then you see non-windows versions of games.

But, again, Steam's prominence as a platform is almost entirely do to the prominence of DRM; they do DRM in the most user-friendly way. If Steam was gone, there would just be another, shittier DRM based platform. So I think a far more useful stance to take is "I won't buy it if it has DRM".
 

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But, again, Steam's prominence as a platform is almost entirely do to the prominence of DRM; they do DRM in the most user-friendly way. If Steam was gone, there would just be another, shittier DRM based platform. So I think a far more useful stance to take is "I won't buy it if it has DRM".

I agree with you.

However, my impression has been that many of the "Steam haters" don't really care about the DRM. What really bothers them is having to have this foreign platform installed on their system, disturbing the pristine cleanliness of their desktop.

In short, they feel about Steam exactly the same way DOS users felt about Windows in the early 90s. And you know how that ended.
 

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Ultimately, saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Steam isn't really different from saying you won't play or buy a game because it requires Windows. Both are "platforms" that the player is forced to install to play his game.

Standardized platforms and APIs are part of computing. They always have been, always will be.

Well there are people who won't buy a game that doesn't play on their preferred OS. As non-windows OS gain enough market share that these people represent a significant loss of potential revenue, then you see non-windows versions of games.

But, again, Steam's prominence as a platform is almost entirely do to the prominence of DRM; they do DRM in the most user-friendly way. If Steam was gone, there would just be another, shittier DRM based platform. So I think a far more useful stance to take is "I won't buy it if it has DRM".

True. I'm not some anti-Steam extremist. I'll join Steam once I run out of non-Steam games to play. I just prefer the freedom of having other options.
And to me the "convience" part is irrelevant. I have no problems installing games myself, even if it means having to click the mouse more than once.
I don't like having to rely on third party software, when it's not stricktly needed.
I don't like being forced to be online to play a single player game, especially since Steam (AFAIK) doesn't allow VPNs.
It's about freedom to choose, and if I can I prefer the most non-intrusive method of playing, with just me, the game and Windows. I don't need some cyber-nanny to install, patch and keep track of my games either.
 

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Fortunately, so far Microsoft didn't create an always online DRM for booting with Windows that makes it impossible to startup otherwise and tracks everything the user does when using the OS, but that may change soon. As long as that doesn't happen, comparing Steamworks DRM with Windows is really stupid.

I never buy games that come with a shitty DRM in all their copies, whether it is Steam or the even shittier Origin or Ubisoft's ultimate assrape for the cattle. Fortunately most of the games I care about aren't affected by such.

*Edit: for the nth time, here the reasons Steam sucks in a brief note:

- Always online DRM that can revoke access to any game at any time
- Promotion of mindless consumerism and impulse buying of shovelware
- Tracking all data that goes through it for advertising and "market research" purposes.
- Incredibly retarded fanboys that compete with Biodrones in the shit they spew at times.
 

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Microsoft didn't create an always online DRM for booting with Windows that makes it impossible to startup otherwise and tracks everything the user does when using the OS, but that may change soon.

What will you do if it does change? I'm curious.
 

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Microsoft didn't create an always online DRM for booting with Windows that makes it impossible to startup otherwise and tracks everything the user does when using the OS, but that may change soon.

What will you do if it does change? I'm curious.

I'm still using Windows XP right now.

Ah, I see. Well, if you intend to keep on playing legacy games on legacy platforms until you become Too Old For This Shit, then good for you. But, that's not a valid strategy for every gamer.
 

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Can't you play steam games in while offline mode?
 
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However, my impression has been that many of the "Steam haters" don't really care about the DRM. What really bothers them is having to have this foreign platform installed on their system, disturbing the pristine cleanliness of their desktop.

In short, they feel about Steam exactly the same way DOS users felt about Windows in the early 90s. And you know how that ended.

Yeah, that's a much less valid concern. Although I am somewhat sympathetic - I play Steam games infrequently enough that every time I do, I have to update the client which is annoying. And the occasional internet outage has left me in a position where I was unable to go online to enter offline mode, which is just kind of dumb.

But, because I am a one trick pony, I'm just gonna go ahead and blame those on DRM.
 

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Took you only 5 years to give up and enjoy Gabe's cock up your ass? I guess that's better than some of the other folk in this thread, who had an explosive orgasm the moment Gabe forcefully shoved his cock up their assholes.

What can I say. I couldn't keep fucking your dad forever.

Maybe I'm just no an internet hipster who shits his pants because of some platform that actually conveniences me a lot more than it inconveniences me.
 

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