KickStarter Knights of the Chalice 2 Thread - Augury of Chaos

[ProphetSword]

Yeah, now that I think of it, GoldBox tokens have only two sprites - standing and attacking. If only KotC2 could have both... the problem would be kinda solved.

That's true. Wouldn't be that hard to do, honestly. I know tons of icon artists who make two-frame combat icons, thanks to the SSI release of "Unlimited Adventures" and its predecessors, "Dungeon Craft" and "IceBlink Engine." Seriously, it's not rocket science.

 

[Delterius]

Then why haven't they made a game like KOTC but with better graphics?!

Because the sprites were too expensive before speedtree.

 

[Scroo]

You guys forget it would literally cost millions to do these simple goldbox-style sprites geez

 

[Dorateen]

Someone should link him to the FRUA cor.hub site.

 

[Revenant]

I believe VentilatorOfDoom is our heroicfantasygames.com ambassador. Let's assign him to convey our ingenious ideas to mr. Begue

 

[ProphetSword]

Someone should link him to the FRUA cor.hub site.

Or, at the very least, put him in contact with some of the better icon artists, who would probably do the work for far, far less than a million dollars...

 

[Ninjerk]

Someone should link him to the FRUA cor.hub site.

Or, at the very least, put him in contact with some of the better icon artists, who would probably do the work for far, far less than a million dollars...

Not possible.

 

[Alchemist]

I watched the video, and yeah the circular pog look definitely isn't working for me. It breaks muh immersion.
Even simple gold-box style sprites like ProphetSword posted work better, or maybe something like this:

Pierre should license stuff from this dude... he has a ton of everything he would need for a D&D style game already: http://immortalnights.com/tokensite/

I guess if we can easily load in our own images we could use stuff like this anyway.

 

[Excidium II]

Nice dryad titties.

 

[Scroo]

It's really incredible how much difference it makes if you use these tokens or just simple sprites. With sprites I actually absolutely love the top down grid view. I hope he changes his mind about this but then again it's Pierre Vogel. But as has been said before, if it's modabble it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

 

[pakoito]

Pierre should license stuff from this dude... he has a ton of everything he would need for a D&D style game already: http://immortalnights.com/tokensite/

Are you fucking kidding me? That stuff is cheap as balls.

EDIT: The commercial usage rights are not tho http://immortalnights.com/tokensite/?page_id=459

 

[Severian Silk]

Historically speaking, there have been many "artists" that created stuff that the general populace consider masterpiece/classic/etc, but the creator had only really created it to get $$$ so that they can fund their real "Magnum Opus."

And then when they finally do get around to doing that, it turns out that the product that they thought was their dream product and they were SURE everyone would love and celebrate turns out to be... just something that they themselves and perhaps a tiny cult group likes.

Needless to say, they generally really aren't happy when that happens. This sort of seems like one of those scenarios.

It's one of those intensely fascinating things about creators, the nature of art and fans expectations driving products.

I would be interested in some examples.

 

[Severian Silk]

Also, those overhead tokens look like ass. Gib me isometric or oblique graphics please.

 

[Alchemist]

EDIT: The commercial usage rights are not tho http://immortalnights.com/tokensite/?page_id=459

True, but lets say he needs to use 500 premium tokens. So that's $5,000 - and I bet the artist would cut him a cheaper deal for licensing that many.

Definitely a lot cheaper than

 

[Ninjerk]

It's really incredible how much difference it makes if you use these tokens or just simple sprites. With sprites I actually absolutely love the top down grid view. I hope he changes his mind about this but then again it's Pierre Vogel. But as has been said before, if it's modabble it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

But what about the titties, Scrooge?

 

[pakoito]

EDIT: The commercial usage rights are not tho http://immortalnights.com/tokensite/?page_id=459

True, but lets say he needs to use 500 premium tokens. So that's $5,000 - and I bet the artist would cut him a cheaper deal for licensing that many.

Definitely a lot cheaper than

BTW if you have similar links please send them my way, or post them on the indie resources thread, please and thank you.

 

[Roguey]

Fallout spent millions on sprites. Where do you think the money for a 2d game goes?

Fallout cost roughly 3 million, I doubt they spent 2 million on sprites.

 

[Jaklon]

Fallout spent millions on sprites. Where do you think the money for a 2d game goes?

Fallout cost roughly 3 million, I doubt they spent 2 million on sprites.

Most of the budget of any game is art, especially 2d games. r00fles!

 

[Roguey]

Most of the budget of any game is art, especially 2d games. r00fles!

Fallout had about as many programmers as artists. Seems like it'd be far more true for modern big budget 3D games with cinematics.

 

[Jaklon]

Most of the budget of any game is art, especially 2d games. r00fles!

Fallout had about as many programmers as artists. Seems like it'd be far more true for modern big budget 3D games with cinematics.

Regardless, if you wanted to make something of comparable quality you'd be paying at least a million bucks.

A guy making 50k a year really costs you 100k a year. 5 guys working for two years = million bucks.

You can send it to brazil or if you are really cheap china but you are not going to get fallow quality or even close, and you will never be able to outsource your basic concepts. Or easily hire someone to do them and get something good even if you do spend a lot.

What people really want is fallout quality, and pay ten bucks for it - only after it's made. Which is not unreasonable except that no one is willing to do that, who actually has money. They want a 50 times return on investment not 30%.

Maybe pierre should try kickstarter, with a little support the game could be just as good as al old AAA game.

But spending a couple grand to get a good looking game? r00fles!

 

[Excidium II]

What people really want is fallout quality

Nobody asked for that.

 

[Jaklon]

Unless it's at those levels or close, people will complain.

For me the pogs are a dealbreaker, even with better drawrings. Even some 80s sprites like gold box series is a million times better than that.

 

[Excidium II]

Even some 80s sprites like gold box series is a million times better than that.

That's more or less what is being asked for ITT.

 

[Jaesun]

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?members/jaklon.21644/ignore

 

[Jaklon]

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?members/jaklon.21644/ignore

Unfortunately it doesn't work on you, the stupidest poster on the site.