Incline I get vibes some times. I usually don't tell others about them.

[Sweeper]

You've actually been ruled over by satanists for the last 250 years or so, but in order to realize that you need to take a deep dive into the enlightenment, freemasonry and the French Revolution.

So let me get this straight.

Under God 90% of us were serfs, spending our 30-40 years long lives in poverty, toiling the land and bowing heads before our betters.

And after 250 years of Satan's rule we're after an industrial, medical and technological revolution, living approx 30-40 years longer and more healthy lives, enjoying personal liberty and possibility to travel the world at will?

I guess Satan knows a thing or two about proper management.

 

[InSight]

Their Babylonian deity called Ἰαω (יהוה) is the Christian figure of Satan, with horns and all, or Baal in the original language. Baal was coupled with Isthar, or Innana, or Lilith, the whore that eats children together with her husband, that is until the two were merged into the one Israelite god.

Where is the proof/evidence that distinguish/separates this from fiction/deception/lies?
How did one verify it?
If that was true, than why Babylon does not exist today?
For these who dont know, heathen nation worship was based on protection, symbiotic exchange; they worked and gave food for protection, success in war & such by these false "gods". Their downfall is evidence to their falsehood/inferiority.


If one knows of Babylon's/Talmud teachings/laws, than how they compare to laws/commands/instruction in דברים/Deuteronomy ויקרא/Leviticus and Matthew/מתתיה/Matet-Yah?
There should be diffrence in the behaviour.

Jeremaiah/ירמיהו/Yaram-Yahu 10:
2.This is what Yahuha/יהוה/YHWH says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by the signs in the heavens,
though the nations themselves are terrified by them.
3.For the customs of the peoples are worthless;...

Revelation 2:9 YLT:
I have known thy works, and tribulation, and poverty -- yet thou art rich -- and the evil-speaking of those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but [are] a synagogue of the Adversary.

Mixing good with bad/evil , teach that good is bad and bad is good, is what likely evil doer shall teach/do.
There can be danger in this ignorance.
Based on:

Matthew/מתתיה/Matet-Yah 12

17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.

20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

26 And if satan cast out satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

28 But if I cast out devils by the spirit of god, then the kingdom of god is come unto you.

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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Unlike the myth's of other nations, there are plenty of evidence, historical, scientific, biological to prove, give weight to most(excluding added/insterted/mixed falsehoods/changes) of what written in the bible to be true.
Specifically prophecy.

FROM BABYLON TO AMERICA: THE PROPHECY MOVIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pQvM9ZY41k
Note: that the topic on virgin birth by woman seems exclusive to the bible. The mention of virgin birth in other culture myth/stories can be a later addition after the events Yahusha/יהושע/Jesus resurrection & news. A deception similar to the claim that mankind was created to mine gold for the "gods". One can consider it the same type of deception that "Be Kind Rewind" was exposed to.

True Location of real Jerusalem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJJr8ZM1jj0
TRUE LOCATIONS ANCIENT BABYLON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rURLiIQlPVU
Megiddo - The March to Armageddon Full Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUDz96jhAPc


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Signature Links on Knowledge,Evidence and Health=>

https://calendarforlife.org/blog/it...iolet-radiation-to-color-the-shroud-of-turin/

Most Recent Research Appears to Confirm the Shroud of Turin is the Burial Cloth of Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9lMQlI32wE

https://bibleevidences.com/


FROM BABYLON TO AMERICA: THE PROPHECY MOVIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pQvM9ZY41k

True Location of real Jerusalem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJJr8ZM1jj0

TRUE LOCATIONS ANCIENT BABYLON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rURLiIQlPVU

Megiddo - The March to Armageddon Full Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUDz96jhAPc

https://odysee.com/@TruthUnveiled777_Mirror:4/The-Pagan-Origins-Of-Islam-1:4

https://odysee.com/@TruthUnveiled77...east-Revealed!-It's-Not-What-You-Think!!!-1:4

Proof Meditation Is Dangerous & Demonic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Sbs0YOGk8

Ex-Jesuit Priest Interview https://www.bitchute.com/video/JHR9jgNLKNMO/

Dragons, owls ,locust papal regualia https://www.bitchute.com/video/uUjhfvqfp9no/

Paul a False Prophet, dire warnings from Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfs1Sac8cU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jVBoPCnQ7c

https://odysee.com/@TruthUnveiled777_Mirror:4/Scriptures-Often-Ignored-Problems-With-Paul-1:0

https://theconversation.com/red-meats-a-tasty-treat-but-too-much-can-give-you-cancer-27158

Christian Ignorance: The Sin of Eating Blood https://youtu.be/0R5kK-8hiHc?t=797


BLT the Seventh day beavers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrI2dyHp_cI

5 Quantum Phenomena Supporting God's Existence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyQW6Jg_6z0


The one only name of the only one true god without equal, none above him and never will be:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/D0UmRFfmqF9V/

 

[Lord_Potato]

They were not, were also often malnourished. Thus each larger epidemics killed a significant number of the population. Not to mention such events like hunger or war.

These popular opinions concern the stereotypical image of the Middle Ages.

'Stereotypical' does not necessarily mean 'untrue'. In recent years we had numerous efforts to present Middle Ages as less dirty and primitive period than it was previously believed to be, but the fact remain it was quite dirty and primitive.

First, the European Middle Ages are only part of world history.

Yes, I was under an impression we're talking about Europe here. And the rest of the medieval world wasn't actually free from famines and pestilences, even if sanitary situation was sometimes a bit better.

Secondly, the vision of the past as a series of wars and disasters is wrong. Certain periods in certain places were more brutal... but the same can be said about these times. Have you forgotten about the two World Wars? Or about contemporary ethnic massacres?

30 years war (1618-1648) lead to the depopulation of Germany by around 40%. Even two world wars didn't achieve such level of depopulation.

Or modern epidemics?

Yeah, I remember Covid. During its run global population increased by 80 million people. A far cry from Black Death, wouldn't you say? Not to mention, thanks to scientific breakthroughs most epidemics that ravaged the world aren't really dangerous for us anymore.

Or modern totalitarianisms that have killed millions? All of them are more fierce due to the development of technology and changes in social relations.

The extinguishing of entire nations was also possible before modern totalitarian regimes. Just ask the indigenous people of Americas.

Hunger is a phenomenon that happens from time to time in various places. There is no reason to think that populations in the past were constantly hungry. Moreover, in the 20th century, hunger mainly affected the so-called third world. In the 21st century it will be everyone's problem, all thanks to industrialism and capitalism.

Hunger was endemic in the pre-modern times. The industrial revolution brought forth also breakthroughs in agriculture, thanks to which harvests are much more plentiful. In medieval era Europe could not have a population larger than 100 million people - there was simply not enough land to feed more. Now there are 746 million people living in Europe and the continent is not only feeding itself but also exporting large quantities of food.

Heh. You ignored my objection and supported yourself with anecdotal evidence.

Not at all. Rigid structure of feudalism gave serfs no legal possibilities of advancement. Today we have possibilities of advancement. Some of us use them, some of us don't.

Temporary horizontal transitions and short horizontal promotion in young post-communist economies do not change the fact that the ruling class of this world is very limited and completely undemocratic.

And yet much larger percentage of the population has access to acceptable living conditions, healthcare, education, various goods and services. Never before so many people took advantage of the fruits of civilization.

No. There is a thousand years' difference between the Plague of Justinian and the Black Death. Moreover, the Black Death was a consequence of economic opening to new markets.

What new markets? Black Death came from the far East, most likely China, same as Justinian Plague.

Opening new markets happened after the Black Death.

Medieval economic development was a consequence of the accumulation of experience and a new, post-ancient farming culture. Even in the Dark Ages, the quality of life, its length and the birth rate increased very rapidly. Thanks to Christianity, which was a transmission belt to the prebarbaric Roman culture, and then allowed for further adaptations

Rapidly, sure. I read those calculations. The economic growth in medieval era rarely reached 1% per year. And the surplus was regularly annulled by famine, pestilence, wars. As for birth rate, it was caused by very high infant mortality. When less then half of the children reach adult age, you need to have more of them. That and of course lack of methods of successful prevention.

Pollution - sure. Pauperization - at first to some degree but later the industrializarion caused massive increase in wealth. Not only of the capitalists - trade unions and the threat of socialism slowly forced the factory owners to ameliorate working conditions and increase earnings.

So you admit that the pauperization of workers was a consequence of industrialization and the destruction of rural economic culture?

It was a short-term result. The long-term result was more wealth produced and higher standards of living reached in the cities. Also, for the first time people began having access to modern medicine and mass education. Idealizing the 'rural economic culture' is naive at best.

Much lower infant mortality alone increases the average life expectancy much more than 10 years.

You are trying to change the topic from life expectancy to infant mortality.

Lol, there is no change of subject. Low life expectancy in pre-modern times was partly caused by high infant mortality. If many people reached the age of 0, 1 or 3 before dying, the average life expectancy was lowered. That's pure math for you.

Higher life expectancy in modern age is the result of lower infant mortality and longer lives of the elderly, who in pre-modern times were vulnerable to different diseases. Both aspects contribute to the final effect.

But you know what? Between the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, infant mortality rates increased dramatically. You know why? Because it was increasingly done by doctors instead of traditional midwives (doctors considered washing hands a superstition). This is the power of progress.

Actually ,the doctors appeared on a massive scale much later, after the Renaissance. The connection between not washing hands and infant mortality was found in a hospital in 19th century, if I rebember correctly. And in the end it lead to another medical breakthrough, thanks to which today we're much safer from bacteria and viruses than we were before.

In Bismark's Germany when retirement system was introduced life expectancy of a worker was below 50 years (they started counting it in order to properly set the retirement age). Now its 81 years.

The short lifespan was a consequence of living conditions during industrialization.

Yes, because living conditions in the villages were soooo perfect.

Do you think European workers would live much longer now? The problem was simply transferred to Bangladesh.

Nice that you mention Bangladesh. Average life expectancy there is 72,3 years. Still 20+ years higher than in Bismarck's era Germany.

Not all the world progresses at the same pace. But the progress is a fact.

How about not being disfigured and handicapped by polio or killed by pox?

You're avoiding the question again. You said that we live healthier. Microplastics and health consequences make me doubt it.

Dozens of new diseases have appeared in addition to traditional diseases, and this process will not end.

I'm not avoiding the question. Even with microplastics we live longer and healthier than before modern times. Because profits from defeating pox and other mass epidemics outweight the losses caused by microplastics.

That's why I mentioned travelling, not setting bombs.

And I mentioned going to jail for using incorrect pronouns.

Yeah, now we're definately in anecdotal territory.

Moreover, you forget that the same system of oppression allows violence caused by immigrants.

Where's my freedom?

Don't know where your freedom went, mine is still with me.

And you still didn't leave your village, often because you were not allowed to. In large areas of Europe serfs were legally bound to the land, much like the slaves in American plantations.

You don't know history. This assignment to the land is your part of Europe, and after the Renaissance.

We were talking about Europe as a whole. Which means the practices in central eastern Europe are also part of the conversation.

But even then, the comparison to the American system of slavery is ridiculous, because American slaves lived differently than peasants in Europe, without all the traditional social structure and internal economic relations.

I'm not comparing every aspect of lives in pre-modern Russia and American plantation, just one (being legally bound to land).

You don't know history and you have no comparison.

LOL

Keep idealizing the past. Ignorant people often do.

You know, someone living in the Third Reich might say "but the level of education and medicine is much higher than it was a hundred years ago!"

Fortunately we don't live in Third Reich.


The bottom line is:
I work 8 hours a day, unlike my ancestors, who toiled from dusk till dawn. Also, I didn't have to work as a child. Currently, it's actually forbidden to hire children.
I can read, write and count and have a small library in my apartment. Unlike my ancestors who only could see a book when they attended church, not to mention reading it.
When I am sick, I go to a doctor and receive treatment, not die of fucking pneumonia. Thanks to vaccinations I am immune to diseases that depopulated Europe on numerous occassions.
Unlike my ancestors, I'm not bound to where I was born. Lived in 3 different countries, travelled to many more.
I'm not threatened by famine. When drought comes, I may pay 20% more for food, but it's such a small percentage of my expenditures, It does not hurt me much.

This is all progress. Living conditions in the West are miles above what we had 250 years ago. The difference is much greater than for example, between 1750 and 1500. Or between 1500 and 1250. The difference is Enlightenment, the advent of scientific method, demystifying of our world and many, many breakthroughs in every aspect of human existence.

You can call it Satan's rule if you like. I'll take my universal healthcare and education any day of the week.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

They were not, were also often malnourished. Thus each larger epidemics killed a significant number of the population. Not to mention such events like hunger or war.

These popular opinions concern the stereotypical image of the Middle Ages.

'Stereotypical' does not necessarily mean 'untrue'. In recent years we had numerous efforts to present Middle Ages as less dirty and primitive period than it was previously believed to be, but the fact remain it was quite dirty and primitive.

Stereotypically, Poles are thieves and drunkards. This is not necessarily untrue.

First, the European Middle Ages are only part of world history.

Yes, I was under an impression we're talking about Europe here. And the rest of the medieval world wasn't actually free from famines and pestilences, even if sanitary situation was sometimes a bit better.

You are the one who bends everything to the supposedly dirty Middle Ages.

Allegedly, see below.

Secondly, the vision of the past as a series of wars and disasters is wrong. Certain periods in certain places were more brutal... but the same can be said about these times. Have you forgotten about the two World Wars? Or about contemporary ethnic massacres?

30 years war (1618-1648) lead to the depopulation of Germany by around 40%. Even two world wars didn't achieve such level of depopulation.

You live in a country where half of the population was killed in six years of one modern war.

Or modern epidemics?

Yeah, I remember Covid. During its run global population increased by 80 million people. A far cry from Black Death, wouldn't you say? Not to mention, thanks to scientific breakthroughs most epidemics that ravaged the world aren't really dangerous for us anymore.

Are you trying to tell me that epidemics are less dangerous now because of the development of science? Do you think that more severe diseases will never appear again?

Besides, if a minor disease like COVID shook the world so much, what would happen if something stronger hit humanity?

Or modern totalitarianisms that have killed millions? All of them are more fierce due to the development of technology and changes in social relations.

The extinguishing of entire nations was also possible before modern totalitarian regimes. Just ask the indigenous people of Americas.

Not nations, but tribes, because the Indians did not know the concept of a nation. And their massacre took place after the Enlightenment. In modern world.

Hunger is a phenomenon that happens from time to time in various places. There is no reason to think that populations in the past were constantly hungry. Moreover, in the 20th century, hunger mainly affected the so-called third world. In the 21st century it will be everyone's problem, all thanks to industrialism and capitalism.

Hunger was endemic in the pre-modern times. The industrial revolution brought forth also breakthroughs in agriculture, thanks to which harvests are much more plentiful. In medieval era Europe could not have a population larger than 100 million people - there was simply not enough land to feed more. Now there are 746 million people living in Europe and the continent is not only feeding itself but also exporting large quantities of food.

Once again you see the future through the prism of the present.

After Justinian's plague, only 15-30 million people lived in Europe. The entire economy was in ruins and contact was cut off.

And then a new model of feudalism helped rebuild Europe. From 15 million in the 8th century to 100 in the 12th century. Then the plague stopped it, but Europe got back on its feet thanks to its pre-modern culture.

By the way, most of humanity lived in feudal China.

Heh. You ignored my objection and supported yourself with anecdotal evidence.

Not at all. Rigid structure of feudalism gave serfs no legal possibilities of advancement. Today we have possibilities of advancement. Some of us use them, some of us don't.

The development of medieval Europe was possible precisely because individuals, including peasants, had the opportunity to move freely and exchange on the basis of a universalistic, Christian culture. Paradoxically, it was in the Middle Ages that capitalism was born. As if it had arisen without crowds of enterprising merchants, modern granaries and boats, and a system of connections that offered the flow of money?

The belief that nothing happened in the Middle Ages, everyone was sick and poor is due to your ignorance and is not supported by facts.

Temporary horizontal transitions and short horizontal promotion in young post-communist economies do not change the fact that the ruling class of this world is very limited and completely undemocratic.

And yet much larger percentage of the population has access to acceptable living conditions, healthcare, education, various goods and services. Never before so many people took advantage of the fruits of civilization.

Just like in the Third Reich compared to the Napoleonic era.

No. There is a thousand years' difference between the Plague of Justinian and the Black Death. Moreover, the Black Death was a consequence of economic opening to new markets.

What new markets? Black Death came from the far East, most likely China, same as Justinian Plague.

Opening new markets happened after the Black Death.

No...The rise of the Arab Empire forced Europe to change its trade and economic model. Initially, it was the local economy of emerging feudalism, which was an adaptation of Roman patterns to barbarian Europe. From the 10th century, our continent was finally ready to use these experiences, part of which was the development of trade, which was also heating up again in Asia. That's why the Black Death came to Europe. The subsequent recovery of Europe was possible because there was a base on which the continent's economy could be rebuilt.

Medieval economic development was a consequence of the accumulation of experience and a new, post-ancient farming culture. Even in the Dark Ages, the quality of life, its length and the birth rate increased very rapidly. Thanks to Christianity, which was a transmission belt to the prebarbaric Roman culture, and then allowed for further adaptations

Rapidly, sure. I read those calculations. The economic growth in medieval era rarely reached 1% per year.

Comparing contemporary economic growth rates to those of the Middle Ages is absurd due to the different nature of the economy itself (greater importance of barter, different construction model, etc.).

If you are really interested in economic issues in Europe, read good medieval studies. For example this work: https://www.amazon.com/Origins-European-Economy-Communications-Commerce/dp/0521661021

Or preferably something French. Fernand Braudel or Paul Veyne.

And the surplus was regularly annulled by famine, pestilence, wars. As for birth rate, it was caused by very high infant mortality. When less then half of the children reach adult age, you need to have more of them. That and of course lack of methods of successful prevention.

Pollution - sure. Pauperization - at first to some degree but later the industrializarion caused massive increase in wealth. Not only of the capitalists - trade unions and the threat of socialism slowly forced the factory owners to ameliorate working conditions and increase earnings.

So you admit that the pauperization of workers was a consequence of industrialization and the destruction of rural economic culture?

It was a short-term result. The long-term result was more wealth produced and higher standards of living reached in the cities. Also, for the first time people began having access to modern medicine and mass education. Idealizing the 'rural economic culture' is naive at best.

No, opposite. This increase in living standards through social security was short-lived. Then the unions were successively destroyed and production moved elsewhere, creating and preying on their poverty.
Also, I do not idealize rural living conditions. I am only showing you that when the social structure is preserved, conditions in the countryside will be better than the life of a poor worker.

Much lower infant mortality alone increases the average life expectancy much more than 10 years.

You are trying to change the topic from life expectancy to infant mortality.

Lol,

Lol

there is no change of subject. Low life expectancy in pre-modern times was partly caused by high infant mortality. If many people reached the age of 0, 1 or 3 before dying, the average life expectancy was lowered. That's pure math for you.

Higher life expectancy in modern age is the result of lower infant mortality and longer lives of the elderly, who in pre-modern times were vulnerable to different diseases. Both aspects contribute to the final effect.

You are confusing the issue of life expectancy and infant survival because you are not an honest interlocutor, which you have proven again.

But you know what? Between the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, infant mortality rates increased dramatically. You know why? Because it was increasingly done by doctors instead of traditional midwives (doctors considered washing hands a superstition). This is the power of progress.

Actually ,the doctors appeared on a massive scale much later, after the Renaissance. The connection between not washing hands and infant mortality was found in a hospital in 19th century, if I rebember correctly. And in the end it lead to another medical breakthrough, thanks to which today we're much safer from bacteria and viruses than we were before.

Okay, but my goal was to show that the "program" does not have to bring good. After all, 19th century doctors overcame a problem of their own making, right?

In Bismark's Germany when retirement system was introduced life expectancy of a worker was below 50 years (they started counting it in order to properly set the retirement age). Now its 81 years.

The short lifespan was a consequence of living conditions during industrialization.

Yes, because living conditions in the villages were soooo perfect.

I never wrote that they were perfect, only that they were better for human health than the work in the Bismack steelworks.

Do you think European workers would live much longer now? The problem was simply transferred to Bangladesh.

Nice that you mention Bangladesh. Average life expectancy there is 72,3 years. Still 20+ years higher than in Bismarck's era Germany.

Not all the world progresses at the same pace. But the progress is a fact.

It changes from month to month. These calculations are worthless.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/309237/bbs-survey-average-life-expectancy-in-bangladesh

Do you really think that living in such a polluted environment can lead to a longer and healthier life than in places where such conditions do not exist?

No, don't really answer. That was a rhetorical question.

How about not being disfigured and handicapped by polio or killed by pox?

You're avoiding the question again. You said that we live healthier. Microplastics and health consequences make me doubt it.

Dozens of new diseases have appeared in addition to traditional diseases, and this process will not end.

I'm not avoiding the question. Even with microplastics we live longer and healthier than before modern times. Because profits from defeating pox and other mass epidemics outweight the losses caused by microplastics.

I have already proven to you that this life is no longer what you think it is. However, if you think that being full of cancer and microplastics makes you healthier, it's hard for me to argue with something so absurd. It's like thinking that the longer you sit in a river, the drier you become.

That's why I mentioned travelling, not setting bombs.

And I mentioned going to jail for using incorrect pronouns.

Yeah, now we're definately in anecdotal territory.

Since when is law an anecdote?

Moreover, you forget that the same system of oppression allows violence caused by immigrants.

Where's my freedom?

Don't know where your freedom went, mine is still with me.

A bird that lived in a cage thinks it is free because it can fly from one end to the other.

And you still didn't leave your village, often because you were not allowed to. In large areas of Europe serfs were legally bound to the land, much like the slaves in American plantations.

You don't know history. This assignment to the land is your part of Europe, and after the Renaissance.

We were talking about Europe as a whole. Which means the practices in central eastern Europe are also part of the conversation.

"I arbitrarily choose a place and a moment that fits my narrative and you have to adapt!"

But even then, the comparison to the American system of slavery is ridiculous, because American slaves lived differently than peasants in Europe, without all the traditional social structure and internal economic relations.

I'm not comparing every aspect of lives in pre-modern Russia and American plantation, just one (being legally bound to land).

At the appropriate level of generality, a dog is a camel, after all, it has four legs, fur and a tail.

You don't know history and you have no comparison.

LOL

Lel.

Keep idealizing the past. Ignorant people often do.

I don't idealize the past. I'm simply showing you that some problems are permanent and that modernism has created new ones. It may even have created more of them than it solved.

You are the one idealizing the present.

You know, someone living in the Third Reich might say "but the level of education and medicine is much higher than it was a hundred years ago!"

Fortunately we don't live in Third Reich.

My argument stands because you are trying to tell us that overcoming pain in one or two categories justifies increasing it in others.

The bottom line is:
I work 8 hours a day, unlike my ancestors, who toiled from dusk till dawn. Also, I didn't have to work as a child. Currently, it's actually forbidden to hire children.
I can read, write and count and have a small library in my apartment. Unlike my ancestors who only could see a book when they attended church, not to mention reading it.
When I am sick, I go to a doctor and receive treatment, not die of fucking pneumonia. Thanks to vaccinations I am immune to diseases that depopulated Europe on numerous occassions.
Unlike my ancestors, I'm not bound to where I was born. Lived in 3 different countries, travelled to many more.
I'm not threatened by famine. When drought comes, I may pay 20% more for food, but it's such a small percentage of my expenditures, It does not hurt me much.

This is all progress. Living conditions in the West are miles above what we had 250 years ago. The difference is much greater than for example, between 1750 and 1500. Or between 1500 and 1250. The difference is Enlightenment, the advent of scientific method, demystifying of our world and many, many breakthroughs in every aspect of human existence.

Now you are repeating yourself as if you wanted to cover up quality with quantity. However, I am not going to repeat myself.

You can call it Satan's rule if you like. I'll take my universal healthcare and education any day of the week.

I am sure that North Korea praises the progress that has been made since the Japanese occupation.



Ultimately I came to the conclusion that you keep going around a few things that you repeat without reference to anything, as if by themselves they would guarantee you victory. You don't see the context, you don't try to build it. You have blinders on.

It is because of this attitude that this world is the way it is. Sad.

 

[Sweeper]

See, I knew when the P*le started talking about progress it would just spiral out of control into what we're seeing now.
I've thought about giving my arguments but then I realized I don't give enough of a shit about his opinion to read what he would write and then having to write a rebuttal... which is why I posted a meme image.
What I'm trying to say is, you're both painfully autistic, but not in a good way.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

See, I knew when the P*le started talking about progress it would just spiral out of control into what we're seeing now.
I've thought about giving my arguments but then I realized I don't give enough of a shit about his opinion to read what he would write and then having to write a rebuttal... which is why I posted a meme image.
What I'm trying to say is, you're both painfully autistic, but not in a good way.

U are 3deep5me

 

[Sweeper]

U are 3deep5me

Yeah... well, you're gay. How you like dem apples?

 

[v1c70r14]

enjoying personal liberty

What do you know of freedom? You've never experienced it.

 

[rojay]

Their Babylonian deity called Ἰαω (יהוה) is the Christian figure of Satan, with horns and all, or Baal in the original language. Baal was coupled with Isthar, or Innana, or Lilith, the whore that eats children together with her husband, that is until the two were merged into the one Israelite god.

Where is the proof/evidence that distinguish/separates this from fiction/deception/lies?
How did one verify it?
If that was true, than why Babylon does not exist today?
For these who dont know, heathen nation worship was based on protection, symbiotic exchange; they worked and gave food for protection, success in war & such by these false "gods". Their downfall is evidence to their falsehood/inferiority.


If one knows of Babylon's/Talmud teachings/laws, than how they compare to laws/commands/instruction in דברים/Deuteronomy ויקרא/Leviticus and Matthew/מתתיה/Matet-Yah?
There should be diffrence in the behaviour.

Jeremaiah/ירמיהו/Yaram-Yahu 10:
2.This is what Yahuha/יהוה/YHWH says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by the signs in the heavens,
though the nations themselves are terrified by them.
3.For the customs of the peoples are worthless;...

Revelation 2:9 YLT:
I have known thy works, and tribulation, and poverty -- yet thou art rich -- and the evil-speaking of those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but [are] a synagogue of the Adversary.

Mixing good with bad/evil , teach that good is bad and bad is good, is what likely evil doer shall teach/do.
There can be danger in this ignorance.
Based on:

Matthew/מתתיה/Matet-Yah 12

17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.

20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

26 And if satan cast out satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

28 But if I cast out devils by the spirit of god, then the kingdom of god is come unto you.

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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Unlike the myth's of other nations, there are plenty of evidence, historical, scientific, biological to prove, give weight to most(excluding added/insterted/mixed falsehoods/changes) of what written in the bible to be true.
Specifically prophecy.

FROM BABYLON TO AMERICA: THE PROPHECY MOVIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pQvM9ZY41k
Note: that the topic on virgin birth by woman seems exclusive to the bible. The mention of virgin birth in other culture myth/stories can be a later addition after the events Yahusha/יהושע/Jesus resurrection & news. A deception similar to the claim that mankind was created to mine gold for the "gods". One can consider it the same type of deception that "Be Kind Rewind" was exposed to.

True Location of real Jerusalem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJJr8ZM1jj0
TRUE LOCATIONS ANCIENT BABYLON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rURLiIQlPVU
Megiddo - The March to Armageddon Full Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUDz96jhAPc


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Signature Links on Knowledge,Evidence and Health=>

https://calendarforlife.org/blog/it...iolet-radiation-to-color-the-shroud-of-turin/

Most Recent Research Appears to Confirm the Shroud of Turin is the Burial Cloth of Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9lMQlI32wE

https://bibleevidences.com/


FROM BABYLON TO AMERICA: THE PROPHECY MOVIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pQvM9ZY41k

True Location of real Jerusalem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJJr8ZM1jj0

TRUE LOCATIONS ANCIENT BABYLON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rURLiIQlPVU

Megiddo - The March to Armageddon Full Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUDz96jhAPc

https://odysee.com/@TruthUnveiled777_Mirror:4/The-Pagan-Origins-Of-Islam-1:4

https://odysee.com/@TruthUnveiled777_Mirror:4/Mark-Of-The-Beast-Revealed!-It's-Not-What-You-Think!!!-1:4

Proof Meditation Is Dangerous & Demonic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Sbs0YOGk8

Ex-Jesuit Priest Interview https://www.bitchute.com/video/JHR9jgNLKNMO/

Dragons, owls ,locust papal regualia https://www.bitchute.com/video/uUjhfvqfp9no/

Paul a False Prophet, dire warnings from Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfs1Sac8cU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jVBoPCnQ7c

https://odysee.com/@TruthUnveiled777_Mirror:4/Scriptures-Often-Ignored-Problems-With-Paul-1:0

https://theconversation.com/red-meats-a-tasty-treat-but-too-much-can-give-you-cancer-27158

Christian Ignorance: The Sin of Eating Blood https://youtu.be/0R5kK-8hiHc?t=797


BLT the Seventh day beavers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrI2dyHp_cI

5 Quantum Phenomena Supporting God's Existence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyQW6Jg_6z0


The one only name of the only one true god without equal, none above him and never will be:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/D0UmRFfmqF9V/

Yeah yeah sure but where do you stand on vampire-bear sex?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

By the way, most of humanity lived in feudal China

Bruh I think they still do.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Secondly, the vision of the past as a series of wars and disasters is wrong. Certain periods in certain places were more brutal... but the same can be said about these times. Have you forgotten about the two World Wars? Or about contemporary ethnic massacres?

30 years war (1618-1648) lead to the depopulation of Germany by around 40%. Even two world wars didn't achieve such level of depopulation.

You live in a country where half of the population was killed in six years of one modern war.

Not half, under 20%. 6 million out of the pre-war population of 35 million.

Check your facts, google is but 2 clicks away.

Are you trying to tell me that epidemics are less dangerous now because of the development of science?

Totally yes. In the first world we don't have pox, the plague, or even polio anymore. Leprosy and syphilis which terrified our ancestors are not dangerous anymore. Vaccines and antibiotics deal with most of them.

Do you think that more severe diseases will never appear again?

Yes, they reappear when people start believing anti-vaccine lies or when too much antibiotics in environment (fed to animals) lead to appearance of more more resistant variants.

But we no longer die in great numbers from viral and bacterial diseases that decimated our ancestors. Right now the main causes of death are circulatory system diseases (heart attacks, strokes) and cancers. None of these are contagious and we make advances at treating them.

Besides, if a minor disease like COVID shook the world so much, what would happen if something stronger hit humanity?

The last disease that made an actual dent in the human population was the Spanish flu, a hundred years ago. Guess why.

Or modern totalitarianisms that have killed millions? All of them are more fierce due to the development of technology and changes in social relations.

The extinguishing of entire nations was also possible before modern totalitarian regimes. Just ask the indigenous people of Americas.

Not nations, but tribes, because the Indians did not know the concept of a nation. And their massacre took place after the Enlightenment. In modern world.

Didn't know Cortez lived in the modern world.

Hunger was endemic in the pre-modern times. The industrial revolution brought forth also breakthroughs in agriculture, thanks to which harvests are much more plentiful. In medieval era Europe could not have a population larger than 100 million people - there was simply not enough land to feed more. Now there are 746 million people living in Europe and the continent is not only feeding itself but also exporting large quantities of food.

Once again you see the future through the prism of the present.

After Justinian's plague, only 15-30 million people lived in Europe. The entire economy was in ruins and contact was cut off.

And then a new model of feudalism helped rebuild Europe. From 15 million in the 8th century to 100 in the 12th century. Then the plague stopped it, but Europe got back on its feet thanks to its pre-modern culture.

I was talking about breakthroughs in agriculture that allowed to cross this magical frontier of 100 mln in Europe. Due to low productivity of agruculture in pre-modern Europe overpopulation and famine were constant threats. Plagues also spread easier in a malnutrishioned society.

By the way, most of humanity lived in feudal China.


The development of medieval Europe was possible precisely because individuals, including peasants, had the opportunity to move freely and exchange on the basis of a universalistic, Christian culture.

The only mass movement possible in medieval Europe that was encouraged bythe nobility was the settlement of low populated lands in the east, from the overpopulated regions, mostly of Germany. Outside of this the opportunities for peasants were pretty limited.

Paradoxically, it was in the Middle Ages that capitalism was born. As if it had arisen without crowds of enterprising merchants, modern granaries and boats, and a system of connections that offered the flow of money?

It took medieval Europe a 1000 years to rebuild a network of trade connections that was already existing in the Roman Empire, with the added bonus of no internal customs. Kudos to medieval ages, I guess.

The belief that nothing happened in the Middle Ages, everyone was sick and poor is due to your ignorance and is not supported by facts.

I don't claim nothing ever changed in this very long period. But the change was very slow and often on a 'two steps forward, one back' basis.

And the decline of medical knowledge in medieval ages compared to ancient times was considerable. Ancient medics effectively used many more procedures than the evergreen of middle ages - bloodletting.

And yet much larger percentage of the population has access to acceptable living conditions, healthcare, education, various goods and services. Never before so many people took advantage of the fruits of civilization.

Just like in the Third Reich compared to the Napoleonic era.

You know, there was a reason why the rule was instituted in internet discussions that whoever uses 'argumentum ad Hitlerum' loses the debate. It's because it was overused by smoothbrains. Don't be like them.

The fact that Third Reich built hospitals amd highways does not compromise neither hospitals, nor highways.

Medieval economic development was a consequence of the accumulation of experience and a new, post-ancient farming culture. Even in the Dark Ages, the quality of life, its length and the birth rate increased very rapidly. Thanks to Christianity, which was a transmission belt to the prebarbaric Roman culture, and then allowed for further adaptations

Rapidly, sure. I read those calculations. The economic growth in medieval era rarely reached 1% per year.

Comparing contemporary economic growth rates to those of the Middle Ages is absurd due to the different nature of the economy itself (greater importance of barter, different construction model, etc.).

If so why do you claim the quality of life increased rapidly? Outside of settling new lands it was a very slow process.

No, opposite. This increase in living standards through social security was short-lived. Then the unions were successively destroyed and production moved elsewhere, creating and preying on their poverty.

The movement of production happened mostly in the 80s and 90s of the 20th century, after the fall of the Soviet Union and the opening of China. Between industrial revolution and the movement of production there were more than 150 years of European rapid economic development. 6-7 generations. So much for short-lived. And even when the production shifted,alot of wealth remained here.

Also, I do not idealize rural living conditions. I am only showing you that when the social structure is preserved, conditions in the countryside will be better than the life of a poor worker.

But the societal structure in pre-modern rural environement was regularly damaged by numerous factors. And even when there was no famine or plague, the rural areas were mostly stagnant.

Only urbanization allowed for the rapid economic growth which in turn lead to the expansion of services like universal healthcare and education, and to the longer life expectancy.

there is no change of subject. Low life expectancy in pre-modern times was partly caused by high infant mortality. If many people reached the age of 0, 1 or 3 before dying, the average life expectancy was lowered. That's pure math for you.

Higher life expectancy in modern age is the result of lower infant mortality and longer lives of the elderly, who in pre-modern times were vulnerable to different diseases. Both aspects contribute to the final effect.

You are confusing the issue of life expectancy and infant survival because you are not an honest interlocutor, which you have proven again.

Those issues are tied. When you calculate the average life expectancy, you have to take into account also the lives that ended at 0, 1 or 2, otherwise you reach completely false data. Ask any statistician.

Okay, but my goal was to show that the "program" does not have to bring good. After all, 19th century doctors overcame a problem of their own making, right?

Oh, but they also overcame many problems that were not of their own making, and as a result we live longer and better lives, free of dangers posed by most viruses and bacteria.

Medical sciences make mistakes. But once these mistakes are comprehended, they often lead to more breakthroughs, for the benefit of the global population.

I never wrote that they were perfect, only that they were better for human health than the work in the Bismack steelworks.

That's why we started having things like environmental protection and personal workers protective measures. New ways of living bring new challenges and threats and then we overcome them and move forward. Staying in the villages would only mean another 1000 years of very slow pace of development.

Do you think European workers would live much longer now? The problem was simply transferred to Bangladesh.

Nice that you mention Bangladesh. Average life expectancy there is 72,3 years. Still 20+ years higher than in Bismarck's era Germany.

Not all the world progresses at the same pace. But the progress is a fact.

It changes from month to month. These calculations are worthless.

Statistics don't change from month to month, that's absurd.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/309237/bbs-survey-average-life-expectancy-in-bangladesh

What you see here is a 0,4-0,6 year of life expectancy change caused mainly by Covid.

Which is a very low shift if you compare it to plagues of old.

Do you really think that living in such a polluted environment can lead to a longer and healthier life than in places where such conditions do not exist?

The effects of pollution are countered by the effects of better healthcare.

Average life expectancy in China in 1960 was 33 (mostly due to high infant mortality). Now its 78. In one of the most polluted countries in the world.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263726/life-expectancy-in-china/

The difference? A network of clinics was created in China, usually near the newly built factories offering real medical services in place of the traditional Chinese medicine practiced by local witch doctors.

No, don't really answer. That was a rhetorical question.


I have already proven to you that this life is no longer what you think it is.

So far you have proven nothing except for your ignorance. This you managed to prove repeatedly.

However, if you think that being full of cancer and microplastics makes you healthier, it's hard for me to argue with something so absurd.

I claimed nothing of this sort.

Modern healthcare makes us healthier and it outweights the effect of microplastics.

 

[Sarathiour]

Didn't know Cortez lived in the modern world.

This one is a good example of how utterly dishonest and ignorant you are. You tried to switch the topic despite being give a place and a timeframe, and because you are the kind of cretin that think it's possible to genocide a nation with a few hundred people.

It took medieval Europe a 1000 years to rebuild a network of trade connections that was already existing in the Roman Empire

Trade during the Roman Empire was mostly centered around the "Mare Nostrum", which was no longer possible after the fall. I'll throw you a bone, try to think a reason why, maybe you'll get it right if you try thinking about it for more than 2 second.

the change was very slow

Fastest development in the whole world at this time but okay. By the way, bloodletting came from those "ancien medical knowledge " that you are lauding.


I'm only pointing out your abhorrent reasoning regarding historical fact, your knowledge and understanding of statistics of statistical and medical science doesn't even warrant a reaction.

 

[Lord_Potato]

And you still didn't leave your village, often because you were not allowed to. In large areas of Europe serfs were legally bound to the land, much like the slaves in American plantations.

You don't know history. This assignment to the land is your part of Europe, and after the Renaissance.

We were talking about Europe as a whole. Which means the practices in central eastern Europe are also part of the conversation.

"I arbitrarily choose a place and a moment that fits my narrative and you have to adapt!"

I apologize for the fact that what most of us say 'Europe' we don't necessarily have France in mind.

In this conversation we talked about whole of Europe, and last time I checked its eastern part is significantly larger.

I don't idealize the past. I'm simply showing you that some problems are permanent and that modernism has created new ones.

Oh, but it solved many, many more!

It may even have created more of them than it solved.

And yet somehow, mysteriously, we live longer than ever.

You are the one idealizing the present.

I'm simply stating that life today is easier, more secure and longer than in the past. The fact we are currently haunted by things like increasing flat prices and a push for return to offices and not by mass famines or this pestilence that killed 30% of our population, proves that a lot of most basic problems of a survival nature have been solved.

My argument stands because you are trying to tell us that overcoming pain in one or two categories justifies increasing it in others.

I claim no such thing and your argument is invalid.

Like everything else, progress has its cost but sometimes it is worth to pay them.

The bottom line is:
I work 8 hours a day, unlike my ancestors, who toiled from dusk till dawn. Also, I didn't have to work as a child. Currently, it's actually forbidden to hire children.
I can read, write and count and have a small library in my apartment. Unlike my ancestors who only could see a book when they attended church, not to mention reading it.
When I am sick, I go to a doctor and receive treatment, not die of fucking pneumonia. Thanks to vaccinations I am immune to diseases that depopulated Europe on numerous occassions.
Unlike my ancestors, I'm not bound to where I was born. Lived in 3 different countries, travelled to many more.
I'm not threatened by famine. When drought comes, I may pay 20% more for food, but it's such a small percentage of my expenditures, It does not hurt me much.

This is all progress. Living conditions in the West are miles above what we had 250 years ago. The difference is much greater than for example, between 1750 and 1500. Or between 1500 and 1250. The difference is Enlightenment, the advent of scientific method, demystifying of our world and many, many breakthroughs in every aspect of human existence.

Now you are repeating yourself as if you wanted to cover up quality with quantity. However, I am not going to repeat myself.

No,I am simply showing the difference in the most basic living conditions. On my example, because examples are sometimes more convincing that the dry statistics.

My grandmothers and grandfathers from both sides actually came from those 'idyllic' villages. And you know what? Once they managed to leave them behind, first for towns and later for cities, they never looked back. For them living in villages was a memory of back breaking, mind nubbing toil for little gain.

Even today rural environement means stagnation from which many decide to run away. It appears there were even more reasons why people during the Industrial Revolution chose to move to cities and work there, even with all the pollution and squalor.

You can call it Satan's rule if you like. I'll take my universal healthcare and education any day of the week.

I am sure that North Korea praises the progress that has been made since the Japanese occupation.

Another dumb take. Not surpising at this stage.

Ultimately I came to the conclusion that you keep going around a few things that you repeat without reference to anything, as if by themselves they would guarantee you victory. You don't see the context, you don't try to build it. You have blinders on.

It is because of this attitude that this world is the way it is. Sad.

I find it ridiculous that you argue against progress and development on a fucking video game forum.

If there was no progress you wouldn't be gaming and not only because of lack of computers - in pre-modern times if you weren't born into the nobility or rich townsfolk, you most likely had neither time nor means for leisure.

The fact we can devote copious amounts of time to entertaintment is a result of progress - significant shortening of the work day and adding new days off to the calendar. Why could it happen? Due to major increase in productivity and creation of surpluses that allow us to spend much of our time non-productively. Which wasn't a luxury available to most of our ancestors.

 

[Lord_Potato]

It took medieval Europe a 1000 years to rebuild a network of trade connections that was already existing in the Roman Empire

Trade during the Roman Empire was mostly centered around the "Mare Nostrum", which was no longer possible after the fall. I'll throw you a bone, try to think a reason why, maybe you'll get it right if you try thinking about it for more than 2 second.

Somehow you misses the rich network of ancient Roman roads that connected all regions far from the sea (and there were many - already the Late Republic expanded deep inland). And these roads were stlll being used in medieval times because people could not build anything better.

Large centers of ancient empire, like Lugdunum, Augusta Trevorum or Sirmium were far from the sea connections.

And Europe also had sea trade of course, sometimes along the same lines as Rome. That's the base of power for Venice and Genoa.

the change was very slow

Fastest development in the whole world at this time but okay. By the way, bloodletting came from those "ancien medical knowledge " that you are lauding.

But it was one of the few methods that kept being used. Ancient medics did successful skull trepanations and other surgery. They had a rich selection of treatments outside of bloodletting. Sure their medical theories were often hilariously wrong, but they still managed to achieve a great degree of success taking into account their limited knowledge. Yet somehow most of this know-how was transfered to Arab and Jewish doctors, but not to the Christian ones.

I'm only pointing out your abhorrent reasoning regarding historical fact, your knowledge and understanding of statistics of statistical and medical science doesn't even warrant a reaction.

Sure. Especially when you're unable to formulate one.

 

[Sarathiour]

people could not build anything better.

Absolutely ludicrous claim, you're talking about the time period known for castle and cathedral, but surely road surely were beyond their technological capacity. Also you dodged the question, I told that a change of paradigm occurred for the trading after the fall of Rome and asked you why, and you only managed to produced non-sequitur by pointing out that the late Roman Empire extended beyond the sea.
I also advise you to look at fluvial map of Europa before further making a fool of yourself.

They were very few competent medics during the antiquity, most of them were snake oil salesman. Talking about a simple "transfer" for Arab is rather insulting for them (so carry on), they made a lot of medical breakthrough that get back to Europe during the second half of the middle age with the creation of medical university.

 

[Lord_Potato]

people could not build anything better.

Absolutely ludicrous claim, you're talking about the time period known for castle and cathedral, but surely road surely were beyond their technological capacity.

The quality (and longevity) of Roman roads was unmatched in the middle ages. The technology to create multi-layered roads simply wasn't there anymore. Also, the Roman way of producing cement and concrete, which were used in Roman road construction, was lost.

Most roads in medieval era were formed from dried mud, sometimes covered with pebbles.

Not to mention the decentralised authorities of the middle ages found it difficult to create larger road projects, crossing entire countries.

You mention cathedrals and castles. Sure, such structures were built... with great difficulties. An average cathedral took more than half a century to be completed.

For comparison, Hagia Sophia, large enough to fit most cathedrals inside, was built in 5 years and 10 months. And was finished more than 500 years before most of these cathedrals.

Romans (even those that spoke Greek) simply did these things faster and more efficiently due to more advanced technology and know how, not to mention the possibility to focus sufficient resources towards the chosen projects.

Also you dodged the question, I told that a change of paradigm occurred for the trading after the fall of Rome and asked you why, and you only managed to produced non-sequitur by pointing out that the late Roman Empire extended beyond the sea.

Not late Roman Empire. Already late Roman Republic, 500 years earlier. And the marvel of Roman roads, used for both marching of armies and everyday trade is widely known.

I also advise you to look at fluvial map of Europa before further making a fool of yourself.

Sure Romans also could use rivers when they were able to (they had to be wide and deep enough throughout the year). But thanks to their road system trade could continue regardless of the state of the rivers.

Comparison between the main rivers and the road system of the Empire should tell you everything you need to know about their options for movement and trade.

They were very few competent medics during the antiquity, most of them were snake oil salesman.

And even fewer in the middle ages.

Talking about a simple "transfer" for Arab is rather insulting for them (so carry on), they made a lot of medical breakthrough that get back to Europe during the second half of the middle age with the creation of medical university.

Their breakthroughs were based on a strong foundation of Greek and Roman knowledge. Which most of post-Roman Europe unfortunately lacked.

 

[rojay]

Some of you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but at least you're confident in your opinions!

I'm simply stating that life today is easier, more secure and longer than in the past.

How is that a controversial statement? It's undeniably true for the vast majority of humans.

 

[Skinwalker]

Greetings, plebs, what's goin- BY JOVE!

 

[NecroLord]

Greetings, plebs, what's goin- BY JOVE!

A whole lot of TL;DR it seems.

 

[Hagashager]

The thread is titled, "I get vibes sometimes." And involves OP theorizing how John Ramero and his wife are intrinsically evil, complete with OP claiming to be a Neanderthal with psychic recognition.

There is no way this thread could be anything other than Schizo-posting and venting hot takes.

 

[Machocruz]

Greetings, plebs, what's goin- BY JOVE!

A whole lot of TL;DR it seems.

Apparently the Enlightenment was totally satanic and Christianity totally means you can't have progress or learn stuffs.

 

[Skinwalker]

Apparently the Enlightenment was totally satanic

Yes.

Christianity totally means you can't have progress or learn stuffs

No.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Lord British sold his blood once so why isn't Romero complete with a ritual. He seems to want to be a gay occult Satanist capitalist bunco dealer of sorts.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Where would fantasy RPGS/media/movies/art be without Christianity? It continues to be a water that causes the seeds of imagination to flourish like weeds.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Some of you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but at least you're confident in your opinions!

I'm simply stating that life today is easier, more secure and longer than in the past.

How is that a controversial statement? It's undeniably true for the vast majority of humans.

And yet many pages of discussion later, here we are