KickStarter Guido Henkel's Deathfire: Ruins of Nethermore - CANCELLED

[Zombra]

I've been smelling vapor ever since Thorvalla tanked.

Yeah? You should have your nose checked then.

I love that confidence. Stick with it, champ!

 

[stony3k]

TBH, he's spent a lot of money and energy getting the game where it is, so I doubt he'll just drop it. Of course, whether it'll be good is another question

 

[dukeofwhales]

Why is there no option to pledge for Chapter 1 only? The minimum ("Try-out") is chapters 1-3 for 15$. By the price of this a single chapter would be 5$. But the 5$ reward does not even include the first chapter, only beta forum access. The logic behind this is questionable, or just another "wtf" in the row of "wtfs". Also it can't be that a "try-out"-edition is half of the game...

He's taking a gamble that the sales money lost in having a minimum commitment of $15 is less than the money he would lose by giving the 'real content' threshold be $5. For every person who backs the $15 tier now but would decide to go for the $5 tier for chapter 1 only if it was available, he loses $10 that he would need to get back in two new $5 sales. His problem is that there just weren't enough backers - he's got no external publicity so pretty much all of his sales are inside a 3800-backer customer base. Plus, 2500 of his 3800 backers backed the minimum possible amount to get the game, and I bet you would lose plenty of them to the $5 tier if it existed.

Assuming the game doesn't suck, he can get funding for additional chapters by selling the first one at release, so a 'those $5 sales will convert to more money later' is probably right, but the initial funding is more important, and it's proving difficult to get so far.

I think he's right, btw, and that this way he'll end up with more money than if he'd offered a $5 tier.

 

[Zed]

The bare minimum for a real game is three hundred thousand dollars, he got a sixth of that, for just an episode could be enough, not half the game tho, unless he has thought of other ways to finance the project as it goes, steam early access comes to mind.

FFS, he will not do Early Access.

I would never ever make that assumption about any developer in this day and age.
Early Access is so good for indies that not doing it is stupid as hell, plain and simple.

 

[Lady_Error]

It's not an assumption, he said so himself - therefore the episodes. And I think he is right, offering finished episodes is better for classical RPG's than offering the unfinished game.

 

[stony3k]

It's not an assumption, he said so himself - therefore the episodes. And I think he is right, offering finished episodes is better for classical RPG's than offering the unfinished game.

It's better for gamers but not for the developers themselves. Look at AOD and WL2, they both made a lot more money from early access than any word of mouth possible.

 

[Pyke]

The bare minimum for a real game is three hundred thousand dollars,.

Oh how I pray you are wrong....

 

[Davaris]

The bare minimum for a real game is three hundred thousand dollars,.

Oh how I pray you are wrong....

All you need is a sound proofed basement, chains, computers, cans of beans, tin opener, bucket and a handful of orphan programmers that no one will miss.

 

[theSavant]

Interesting ... an average pledge of about $44. I'm not sure what that means, but it strikes me as odd since $20 is the pledge level needed to get the whole game.

Like someone said: desperate people trying to make a desperate game happen

If you were the developer and really love the concept it's certainly sad not seeing any green grass from the community, but on the other hand he might Steam-rock at the release day. Well I guess he's gonna make it happen, one way or the other, because too much work is already in it.

Though you can never be sure of success, even regarding Steam Greenlight, because "voting costs nothing". I wait for the day when voting costs 5$. This will come someday to prevent clutter on Steam. Then we will see how serious people really are.

 

[Davaris]

Paying to vote is an idea I would support, as long as the money goes to developers, not Steam.

 

[Lady_Error]

Interesting ... an average pledge of about $44. I'm not sure what that means, but it strikes me as odd since $20 is the pledge level needed to get the whole game.

There are physical tiers which many people prefer and those are more expensive. Mystery solved.

 

[Gakkone]

It's not an assumption, he said so himself - therefore the episodes. And I think he is right, offering finished episodes is better for classical RPG's than offering the unfinished game.

He also said that he would not go to Kickstarter with Deathfire. I don't think Guido is as sure about his plans as you make him out to be.

 

[HobGoblin42]

It's not an assumption, he said so himself - therefore the episodes. And I think he is right, offering finished episodes is better for classical RPG's than offering the unfinished game.

He also said that he would not go to Kickstarter with Deathfire. I don't think Guido is as sure about his plans as you make him out to be.

When and where did he say that? I just remember that he gave some comments about the mistakes that was made in the Thorvalla campaign.

 

[Gakkone]

It's not an assumption, he said so himself - therefore the episodes. And I think he is right, offering finished episodes is better for classical RPG's than offering the unfinished game.

He also said that he would not go to Kickstarter with Deathfire. I don't think Guido is as sure about his plans as you make him out to be.

When and where did he say that? I just remember that he gave some comments about the mistakes that was made in the Thorvalla campaign.

He at least heavily implied it in his tweets following the game's announcement:

https://twitter.com/GuidoHenkel/status/311557780161060866
https://twitter.com/GuidoHenkel/status/311558058922885121

Of course he might have just been ridiculing people who dared assume he would go to Kickstarter even if he always knew he was going to do it.

 

[Overboard]

He also said that he would not go to Kickstarter with Deathfire. I don't think Guido is as sure about his plans as you make him out to be.

He at least heavily implied it in his tweets following the game's announcement:

https://twitter.com/GuidoHenkel/status/311557780161060866
https://twitter.com/GuidoHenkel/status/311558058922885121

Of course he might have just been ridiculing people who dared assume he would go to Kickstarter even if he always knew he was going to do it.

So how many more posts until you admit that you were talking out of your arse when you claimed he said he would not go to KS with Deathfire?

 

[Gakkone]

He also said that he would not go to Kickstarter with Deathfire. I don't think Guido is as sure about his plans as you make him out to be.

He at least heavily implied it in his tweets following the game's announcement:

https://twitter.com/GuidoHenkel/status/311557780161060866
https://twitter.com/GuidoHenkel/status/311558058922885121

Of course he might have just been ridiculing people who dared assume he would go to Kickstarter even if he always knew he was going to do it.

So how many more posts until you admit that you were talking out of your arse when you claimed he said he would not go to KS with Deathfire?

I admit I was wrong. He didn't say it, he only implied it.

 

[Zombra]

Interesting ... an average pledge of about $44. I'm not sure what that means, but it strikes me as odd since $20 is the pledge level needed to get the whole game.

There are physical tiers which many people prefer and those are more expensive. Mystery solved.

Obviously, people are pledging for higher tiers on this project ... that's what I said. We still don't know why for this project, it's just a few people, going for higher tiers. It seems that most projects get the lion's share of pledges at the lower levels. I can't remember where I read it, but somewhere someone said of Kickstarter: you don't want to get 100 people pledging $1,000 each; you want to get 10,000 people pledging $10 each. For good or ill, it seems that Guy has hooked a few backers willing to splurge, instead of capturing the imagination of a class of gamers happy to dip their toes in. The RPG audience isn't this tiny.

 

[Lady_Error]

$45.000 with over 1000 backers and about 3-4 days to reach the remaining $5000 necessary. http://deathfiregame.com

 

[Maelflux]

Sounds like one of the hardcore fans will need to plunge into a dark abyss of debt, to get this funded. Unless Guido just adds the last part himself.

 

[Lady_Error]

Yeah, I guess it is pretty much funded. At least for Deathfire - Episode One.

 

[theSavant]

A cramp before the kickstarter, a cramp in the kickstarter, a cramp after the kickstarter...

 

[Lady_Error]

Your constant badmouthing gets tiresome. Didn't you predict he would not make more than $30k? Or that the character interactions would take up the whole screen and so you would lose your immersion? Try a new tune, dude.

 

[GrimoireFTW]

episodic rpg?? no thanks... This went from somewhat promising to super fail. IF only this guy hadn't been so greedy and taken the few hundred thousand the kickstarter raised instead of demanding half a mil.

 

[theSavant]

Your constant badmouthing gets tiresome.

So does your constant misplaced optimism.

 

[Lady_Error]

Let's face it - you have been wrong about almost every negative prediction you made regarding this game. What is misplaced is your ueber-negativity. Or do you think you have keep up with the "everything is shit" crowd to get some Kodex Kred?