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MuckMan

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"Immersive sim" is a retarded and completely useless label, and anyone who uses it should be beaten to death.

It's a useless label, but everyone knows exactly what kinds of games you're talking about when using it.

"Immersive Sim" has retroactively been applied to Thief, System Shock, Ultima Underworld, Deus Ex, Dishonoured, Prey(shock) and, last I checked, fucking Deathloop. It's worthless.

Yeah it's getting ridiculous, I even heard that Bioshock, Fallout: New Vegas, Subnautica and Hitman(2016) are added to mix of "Immersive sims". I believe the term got popularized by idiotic "ludonarrative dissonance" youtubers, who used this term to sound smarter than they are.
 

Bad Sector

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Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Codex Year of the Donut Codex+ Now Streaming! Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
Patrician made a sequel to this 8 hour long Morrowind video: a 12 hour long Oblivion video:



It premiers in 30 minutes from now, but judging from a few of his streams i watched while he was researching the video and his bibliography i expect maximum autistic attention to detail.

Bibliography

[1] Morrowind Character Planner - https://morrowind.jpbetley.com/
[2] Oblivion Character Planner - http://linklost.com/occ/
[3] The Making of Oblivion (41:25) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvm0CN3tQFI
[4] Gamasutra, Emil Pagliarulo - https://archive.is/BVTgi
[5] Fallout Wiki Archive EP - https://archive.is/hoqbi
[6] Gamasutra, Ken Rolston Interview - https://archive.is/q6bwT
Blank Map of Tamriel, Cyrodiil - https://www.deviantart.com/fredoric1001/art/Coastline-of-Tamriel-in-png-445914450
Map Number Two - https://www.imperial-library.info/content/maps-cyrodiil
Map Number Three - OblivionSource.com
[7] Oblivion Fan Interview - http://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Oblivion_Fan_Interview_IV
[8] Xbox 360 Sales Numbers - https://web.archive.org/web/2006022...osoft.com/msft/download/FY06/MSFTQ2_06.ppt#14
[9] E3 2005 viewership - https://archive.is/iFkcb
[10] RPGamer Gavin Carter interview - https://archive.is/2oywc
[11] Ken Rolstone interview - https://archive.is/ZjsOf
[12] Pete Hines discussing DLC - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIMZA7heG_k
[13] Oblivion e3 2005 Gameplay Demo - https://archive.org/details/BethesdaSoftworksTheElderScrollsIVOblivion20MinuteReveal_2
[14] Decrypting the Elder Scrolls | GameInformer - https://archive.is/wxNwP
[15] Making of Thief 2 - https://archive.is/VmPmy
[16] Alan Nanes - https://archive.is/kHUgx
[17] Erik J Caponi - https://archive.is/1KrPn
[18] Microsoft | E3 2005 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hisMQ-YRbfQ
[19] Shivering Isles Education - https://archive.is/WVS45
[20] Ted Petersen Interview - https://archive.is/0V40o
[21] Douglas Goodall Interview - https://archive.is/3XEQV
[22] Power Attack Fatigue Penalty - https://archive.is/TJsun
[23] Jeremy Soule Interview - https://archive.is/zlKkc
[24] Megan Sawyer - https://archive.is/OYyHp
[25] Megan Sawyer Portfolio - https://archive.is/sKaVo
[26] Mark Nelson’s Fighters Guild - https://archive.is/CNXGY
[27] Fallout 4 Reddit Moment - https://archive.is/CZsIe
[28] Cutting Room Floor, Arena - https://archive.is/Jgt4Z
[29] Talks from STORY: Emil Pagliarulo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi51-wjcwp8
[30] Bethesda Podcast | Oblivion 5th Anniversary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9Cgcfxfi8
[31] Michael Kirkbride | Camoran Speech - https://archive.is/UBOzf
[32] GameSpot | Knights of the White Stallion - https://archive.is/4mAzT
[33] videogamer.com | Knights of the Nine is cheap - https://archive.is/6SRWJ
[34] Trial of Vivec - https://www.imperial-library.info/content/trial-vivec
[35] Old Wikipedia Article on Oblivion - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion&oldid=1016350614
[36] Shivering Isles Schizoaffective - https://archive.is/ELq1j
[37] Oblivion Royal Guard Armor - https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/25709

Oblivion Reviews
[1] WillLovesVideoGames | Oblivion Retrospective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4-9G47uF0
[2] NeverKnowsBest | Elder Scrolls Analysis: Oblivion Strikes Back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoSYDD3SRGQ
[3] DimeTree | Elder Scrolls Problem: Oblivion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ1SWfjaX2Y
[4] The Salt Factory | Was Oblivion As Good as I remember? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eapSJjo-XmQ
[5] EphiTV | Everything About Spellcrafting That Bethesda Didn’t Want You To Know - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuPjIICKmwE
[6] GameSpot | Oblivion Is Still Excellent 15 Years Later - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuYCGV4GF98
[7] Private Sessions | TES4 Oblivion Deconstruction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEqdqcfA4N8


Video and Audio Clips
[1] Game of Thrones - Oberyn Martell Scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDvinF3eGQw
[2] A Very Potter Musical - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmwM_AKeMCk
[3] Master Chief Death Sounds - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficBfCyCP9I
[4] That Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrxKX44qBJ0
[5] Kvatch Rebuilt (showcase) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHupxhtfEn4
[5] Kvatch Rebuilt (mod) - https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/15412
[6] Hitman 2 | Sean Bean - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtgljSIEOM
[7] The NeverEnding Story - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT4FFQ3Ugfc
[8] Invincible
[9] ManSlayer | GamerPoop:: Oblivion #1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLopJXUIlCs
[10] Bill Gates at Best Buy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lswG10SWw
[11] G4TV | First Xbox Sold - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Wj6-dEhPk
[12] Xbox Live Original Promo Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWALEOfgkuI
[13] Robin Hood: Men in Tights | 1993
[14] Twisted: The Untold Story of a Royal Vizier - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-77cUxba-aA
[15] The Trail to Oregon! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxKCX-UvPrI
[16] oblivion | LaFave Bros - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN80_7rNmcE
[17] A Very Potter Sequel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OepW-AG-Ris
[18] Berkan Denizyaran Interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPlbbGFnUhI
[19] Evil Races are Bad Game Design - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymUEPKTEQaQ
[20] JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: Part One: Phantom Blood
[21] Tilt Brush: Painting from a new perspective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TckqNdrdbgk
[22] Spinning Volume Knob - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GMdl1MWz68
Music

[1] Star | Young Scrolls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZXPx1kdtg
[2] The Fine | Young Scrolls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-vyKkOZ_JY
[3] Luther Broad Motel | Young Scrolls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GqrXWEWhf8
[4] Stardust Crusaders - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFjE5A4UAJI
[5] Straight Outta Cyrodiil - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdGKy3nLMeo
[6] PELINAL - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ix0_W-ouI
[7] Jauffre Jam - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHL7zyLsQ2k
[8] Bell Gargoyle | Dark Souls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7xpyhEw6H0
[9] Contraband | Mordhau - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F26xHBIgrps
[10] HP and the Philosophers Stone Game OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qIln4B151s
[11] Vvardenfell Vista | ESO OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsB3IvKPUl4
[12] Dagoth Ur Fanfiction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l83vT2svg3g
[13] One Final Effort | Halo 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5he75Jftp1Y
[14] Cornered | Dark Souls lo-fi - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RzJX-8ggBo
[15] Shipping and Receiving - Thief 2 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiqfIYGPAA4
[16] All in your Head | Neurox Worm Theme | Plague Inc Theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZJLZlvBdh0
[17] ESO Orsimer Theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agE5uB7gRww
[18] Grimgor Ironhide | Total War: Warhammer OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0123GwmdoU
[19] Warsong | Warlords of Draenor OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1xN5FWwlAI
[20] The Seraph | Guild Wars 2 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBOv-W_aPjg
[21] I Am Justice | Diablo 3 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdXYjnGO3-E
[22] Down to the Sewers | Baldur’s Gate OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLjilGoDqVc
[23] Sewer Battle | Baldur's Gate II OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnFHzwvQXzQ
[24] Bloodmoon Island (Alternative) - Divinity: Original Sin II Unofficial OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l7SspCkpas
[25] Valheim | The Forest Is Moving 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diTnoFqNKAI
[26] Silver for Monsters | Witcher 3 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQS4o_bYA_M
[27] The Wailing Host | Darksiders OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwXlZH0j9Dw
[29] Prison | Fable OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6q4D-4vKw
[28] Monster | Berserk OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-QCjpXdfo
[29] Purge | Grim Dawn: Ashes of Malmouth OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZi-elhLcR0
[30] Stand Your Ground | Grim Dawn OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvP3Flk3zmI
[31] Poverty and Famine | Kingdom Come: Deliverance OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLH4LnCu29s
[32] Wandering Wizard | Dink Smallwood (SC-55 Soundfont) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHB1PhZzi4
[33] Stormsong Valley | Battle for Azeroth OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f880AvCuI7c
[34] Killer | Yoshikage Kira’s Theme | JJBA OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yGGNohmAT0
[35] NukNuks Land | Sacred Underworld OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyMcBfTpCFI
[36] The Royal Conservatory | Dishonored 2 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gml3mox7C7w
[37] Salty Sailor | Taverns of Azeroth OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV4_qfT9GIg
[38] Oh My Skooma - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQnwX9JKB0

Games
[1] The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion | Bethesda Softworks | 2006
[2] The Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall | Bethesda Softworks | 1996
[3] The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind | Bethesda Softworks | 1992
[4] The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim | Bethesda Softworks | 2011
[5] Fallout 3 | Bethesda Softworks | 2008
[6] Fallout 4 | Bethesda Softworks | 2015
[7] DOOM | ID Software | 1993
[8] Dark Souls | From Software | 2011
[9] Mordhau | Triternion | 2019
[10] Mount and Blade: Bannerlord | TaleWorlds Entertainment | 2020
[11] Blade and Sorcery | WarpFrog | 2018
[12] Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban | KnowWonder | 2004
[13] Halo: CE | Bungie | 2001
[14] Halo 2 | Bungie | 2004
[15] Halo 3 | Bungie | 2007
[16] Total War: Warhammer 2 | Creative Assembly | 2017
[17] Thief 2 | Looking Glass Studios | 2000
[18] Dishonored | Arkane Studios | 2012
[19] Cyberpunk 2077 | CD Projekt Red | 2020
[20] Elder Scrolls Online | ZeniMax Online Studios | 2014
[21] Valheim | Iron Gate AB | 2021
[22] Metal Gear Solid V | Kojima Productions | 2015
[23] The Witcher 3 | CD Projekt Red | 2015
[24] FEAR | Monolith Productions | 2005

(as a sidenote i recommend checking his other videos, i think in general his reviews should be liked by the people here and if anything i find it weird that nobody mentioned him so far aside from the Morrowind video)
 

A horse of course

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I stopped watching the Morrowank video because I got like an hour in and he still hadn't actually made any observations, just stated "X settlement is here with Y and Z" ad infinitum.

At least neverknowsbest EVENTUALLY gets round to the analysis part.
 

Bad Sector

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Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Codex Year of the Donut Codex+ Now Streaming! Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I stopped watching the Morrowank video because I got like an hour in and he still hadn't actually made any observations, just stated "X settlement is here with Y and Z" ad infinitum.

At least neverknowsbest EVENTUALLY gets round to the analysis part.

He went into other things than the game's world, like the writing, mechanics, etc later in the video.
 

Rahdulan

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Patrician made a sequel to this 8 hour long Morrowind video: a 12 hour long Oblivion video:



It premiers in 30 minutes from now, but judging from a few of his streams i watched while he was researching the video and his bibliography i expect maximum autistic attention to detail.

Bibliography

[1] Morrowind Character Planner - https://morrowind.jpbetley.com/
[2] Oblivion Character Planner - http://linklost.com/occ/
[3] The Making of Oblivion (41:25) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvm0CN3tQFI
[4] Gamasutra, Emil Pagliarulo - https://archive.is/BVTgi
[5] Fallout Wiki Archive EP - https://archive.is/hoqbi
[6] Gamasutra, Ken Rolston Interview - https://archive.is/q6bwT
Blank Map of Tamriel, Cyrodiil - https://www.deviantart.com/fredoric1001/art/Coastline-of-Tamriel-in-png-445914450
Map Number Two - https://www.imperial-library.info/content/maps-cyrodiil
Map Number Three - OblivionSource.com
[7] Oblivion Fan Interview - http://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Oblivion_Fan_Interview_IV
[8] Xbox 360 Sales Numbers - https://web.archive.org/web/2006022...osoft.com/msft/download/FY06/MSFTQ2_06.ppt#14
[9] E3 2005 viewership - https://archive.is/iFkcb
[10] RPGamer Gavin Carter interview - https://archive.is/2oywc
[11] Ken Rolstone interview - https://archive.is/ZjsOf
[12] Pete Hines discussing DLC - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIMZA7heG_k
[13] Oblivion e3 2005 Gameplay Demo - https://archive.org/details/BethesdaSoftworksTheElderScrollsIVOblivion20MinuteReveal_2
[14] Decrypting the Elder Scrolls | GameInformer - https://archive.is/wxNwP
[15] Making of Thief 2 - https://archive.is/VmPmy
[16] Alan Nanes - https://archive.is/kHUgx
[17] Erik J Caponi - https://archive.is/1KrPn
[18] Microsoft | E3 2005 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hisMQ-YRbfQ
[19] Shivering Isles Education - https://archive.is/WVS45
[20] Ted Petersen Interview - https://archive.is/0V40o
[21] Douglas Goodall Interview - https://archive.is/3XEQV
[22] Power Attack Fatigue Penalty - https://archive.is/TJsun
[23] Jeremy Soule Interview - https://archive.is/zlKkc
[24] Megan Sawyer - https://archive.is/OYyHp
[25] Megan Sawyer Portfolio - https://archive.is/sKaVo
[26] Mark Nelson’s Fighters Guild - https://archive.is/CNXGY
[27] Fallout 4 Reddit Moment - https://archive.is/CZsIe
[28] Cutting Room Floor, Arena - https://archive.is/Jgt4Z
[29] Talks from STORY: Emil Pagliarulo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi51-wjcwp8
[30] Bethesda Podcast | Oblivion 5th Anniversary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9Cgcfxfi8
[31] Michael Kirkbride | Camoran Speech - https://archive.is/UBOzf
[32] GameSpot | Knights of the White Stallion - https://archive.is/4mAzT
[33] videogamer.com | Knights of the Nine is cheap - https://archive.is/6SRWJ
[34] Trial of Vivec - https://www.imperial-library.info/content/trial-vivec
[35] Old Wikipedia Article on Oblivion - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion&oldid=1016350614
[36] Shivering Isles Schizoaffective - https://archive.is/ELq1j
[37] Oblivion Royal Guard Armor - https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/25709

Oblivion Reviews
[1] WillLovesVideoGames | Oblivion Retrospective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4-9G47uF0
[2] NeverKnowsBest | Elder Scrolls Analysis: Oblivion Strikes Back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoSYDD3SRGQ
[3] DimeTree | Elder Scrolls Problem: Oblivion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ1SWfjaX2Y
[4] The Salt Factory | Was Oblivion As Good as I remember? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eapSJjo-XmQ
[5] EphiTV | Everything About Spellcrafting That Bethesda Didn’t Want You To Know - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuPjIICKmwE
[6] GameSpot | Oblivion Is Still Excellent 15 Years Later - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuYCGV4GF98
[7] Private Sessions | TES4 Oblivion Deconstruction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEqdqcfA4N8


Video and Audio Clips
[1] Game of Thrones - Oberyn Martell Scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDvinF3eGQw
[2] A Very Potter Musical - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmwM_AKeMCk
[3] Master Chief Death Sounds - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficBfCyCP9I
[4] That Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrxKX44qBJ0
[5] Kvatch Rebuilt (showcase) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHupxhtfEn4
[5] Kvatch Rebuilt (mod) - https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/15412
[6] Hitman 2 | Sean Bean - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtgljSIEOM
[7] The NeverEnding Story - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT4FFQ3Ugfc
[8] Invincible
[9] ManSlayer | GamerPoop:: Oblivion #1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLopJXUIlCs
[10] Bill Gates at Best Buy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lswG10SWw
[11] G4TV | First Xbox Sold - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Wj6-dEhPk
[12] Xbox Live Original Promo Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWALEOfgkuI
[13] Robin Hood: Men in Tights | 1993
[14] Twisted: The Untold Story of a Royal Vizier - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-77cUxba-aA
[15] The Trail to Oregon! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxKCX-UvPrI
[16] oblivion | LaFave Bros - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN80_7rNmcE
[17] A Very Potter Sequel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OepW-AG-Ris
[18] Berkan Denizyaran Interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPlbbGFnUhI
[19] Evil Races are Bad Game Design - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymUEPKTEQaQ
[20] JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: Part One: Phantom Blood
[21] Tilt Brush: Painting from a new perspective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TckqNdrdbgk
[22] Spinning Volume Knob - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GMdl1MWz68
Music

[1] Star | Young Scrolls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZXPx1kdtg
[2] The Fine | Young Scrolls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-vyKkOZ_JY
[3] Luther Broad Motel | Young Scrolls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GqrXWEWhf8
[4] Stardust Crusaders - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFjE5A4UAJI
[5] Straight Outta Cyrodiil - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdGKy3nLMeo
[6] PELINAL - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ix0_W-ouI
[7] Jauffre Jam - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHL7zyLsQ2k
[8] Bell Gargoyle | Dark Souls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7xpyhEw6H0
[9] Contraband | Mordhau - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F26xHBIgrps
[10] HP and the Philosophers Stone Game OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qIln4B151s
[11] Vvardenfell Vista | ESO OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsB3IvKPUl4
[12] Dagoth Ur Fanfiction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l83vT2svg3g
[13] One Final Effort | Halo 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5he75Jftp1Y
[14] Cornered | Dark Souls lo-fi - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RzJX-8ggBo
[15] Shipping and Receiving - Thief 2 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiqfIYGPAA4
[16] All in your Head | Neurox Worm Theme | Plague Inc Theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZJLZlvBdh0
[17] ESO Orsimer Theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agE5uB7gRww
[18] Grimgor Ironhide | Total War: Warhammer OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0123GwmdoU
[19] Warsong | Warlords of Draenor OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1xN5FWwlAI
[20] The Seraph | Guild Wars 2 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBOv-W_aPjg
[21] I Am Justice | Diablo 3 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdXYjnGO3-E
[22] Down to the Sewers | Baldur’s Gate OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLjilGoDqVc
[23] Sewer Battle | Baldur's Gate II OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnFHzwvQXzQ
[24] Bloodmoon Island (Alternative) - Divinity: Original Sin II Unofficial OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l7SspCkpas
[25] Valheim | The Forest Is Moving 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diTnoFqNKAI
[26] Silver for Monsters | Witcher 3 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQS4o_bYA_M
[27] The Wailing Host | Darksiders OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwXlZH0j9Dw
[29] Prison | Fable OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6q4D-4vKw
[28] Monster | Berserk OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-QCjpXdfo
[29] Purge | Grim Dawn: Ashes of Malmouth OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZi-elhLcR0
[30] Stand Your Ground | Grim Dawn OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvP3Flk3zmI
[31] Poverty and Famine | Kingdom Come: Deliverance OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLH4LnCu29s
[32] Wandering Wizard | Dink Smallwood (SC-55 Soundfont) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHB1PhZzi4
[33] Stormsong Valley | Battle for Azeroth OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f880AvCuI7c
[34] Killer | Yoshikage Kira’s Theme | JJBA OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yGGNohmAT0
[35] NukNuks Land | Sacred Underworld OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyMcBfTpCFI
[36] The Royal Conservatory | Dishonored 2 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gml3mox7C7w
[37] Salty Sailor | Taverns of Azeroth OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV4_qfT9GIg
[38] Oh My Skooma - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQnwX9JKB0

Games
[1] The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion | Bethesda Softworks | 2006
[2] The Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall | Bethesda Softworks | 1996
[3] The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind | Bethesda Softworks | 1992
[4] The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim | Bethesda Softworks | 2011
[5] Fallout 3 | Bethesda Softworks | 2008
[6] Fallout 4 | Bethesda Softworks | 2015
[7] DOOM | ID Software | 1993
[8] Dark Souls | From Software | 2011
[9] Mordhau | Triternion | 2019
[10] Mount and Blade: Bannerlord | TaleWorlds Entertainment | 2020
[11] Blade and Sorcery | WarpFrog | 2018
[12] Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban | KnowWonder | 2004
[13] Halo: CE | Bungie | 2001
[14] Halo 2 | Bungie | 2004
[15] Halo 3 | Bungie | 2007
[16] Total War: Warhammer 2 | Creative Assembly | 2017
[17] Thief 2 | Looking Glass Studios | 2000
[18] Dishonored | Arkane Studios | 2012
[19] Cyberpunk 2077 | CD Projekt Red | 2020
[20] Elder Scrolls Online | ZeniMax Online Studios | 2014
[21] Valheim | Iron Gate AB | 2021
[22] Metal Gear Solid V | Kojima Productions | 2015
[23] The Witcher 3 | CD Projekt Red | 2015
[24] FEAR | Monolith Productions | 2005

(as a sidenote i recommend checking his other videos, i think in general his reviews should be liked by the people here and if anything i find it weird that nobody mentioned him so far aside from the Morrowind video)


I've been watching on and off, and just like his Morrowind video it's really solid. Basic problem he has is chapter naming convention aka Fighters Guild isn't really just about the faction, but him going into general game mechanics, balancing, how it compares to other games, etc. It's not merely story summary some may be lead to believe.
 

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Yeah, i just finished the video - actually watched half of it in one go (yes, 6 hours of youtube watching :-P) until the Knights of the Nine part because i hadn't actually played that DLC since i assumed it was some throwaway quest or something not much more involved than horse armor and the only DLC people raved about over the years was Shivering Isles. So i installed Oblivion, used some character i had around from a savegame and played that DLC to form my own opinion before continuing the video (it ended up better than expected, though as i wrote i didn't expect much, but at least lorewise i liked it more than other quests in the game - and i found the quests fine, even if some parts were kinda... lacking in editorial effort, like the bit that Patrician points out in his video after you pass the ghosts' tests - what he mentioned was *exactly* what i thought :-P). Then i continued the video in two parts (i went to sleep before the Dark Brotherhood part and continued it after i woke up).

As i mentioned in the Bethesda thread (after watching half of it) i think it is the best video i've seen from a mechanical analysis perspective (not just about Oblivion) and a large part of that is that he mixes his playthrough and story analysis with the mechanical analysis and how the mechanics affect what you do in the game - i really wish other videos went into such detail when discussing specific games (if you know of any that does it please mention - note that i do not mean discussing individual mechanics by themselves or some theoretical way mechanics would work, even with examples from games that apply them, like e.g. game marker's toolkit does, but videos that focus on specific games and analyze their mechanics in the context of the game they are reviewing/analyzing).

He also does story/writing analysis (in that he goes through some popular quests - including the main quest of course - and judges how they make sense, how they fit with the TES lore up to the point of Oblivion's release, etc), but i've seen other videos like that, though still that part is of high quality too. Though after the middle or so, near the ending of the main quest, i think he goes a bit too hardcore on TESlore assumptions 2-3 times, but they're short. Also often when he points out flaws on the writing side, he also does provide his idea on how they could be done better (while still being about the same thing, not radical changes), which personally i found the least interesting parts (even if most of the time his ideas did sound as an improvement at the end of the day it is just after-the-fact fanfic) - but again they're very short.

He also mentioned some development history, especially whenever he could find info about who designed what quest as well as the apparent differences between the designers and how that affected their quests, but he didn't go as deep as i'd like. Not sure how much info is out there though as he brought up almost every article i was aware of (but i'm not that invested into Oblivion's development history, it is just articles i remember coming across randomly).

Anyway, if you want to watch some good analysis video(s) and you are not afraid of bookmarking timestamps, i recommend watching this even if you didn't like Oblivion itself.
 

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Patrician made a sequel to this 8 hour long Morrowind video: a 12 hour long Oblivion video:



It premiers in 30 minutes from now, but judging from a few of his streams i watched while he was researching the video and his bibliography i expect maximum autistic attention to detail.

Bibliography

[1] Morrowind Character Planner - https://morrowind.jpbetley.com/
[2] Oblivion Character Planner - http://linklost.com/occ/
[3] The Making of Oblivion (41:25) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvm0CN3tQFI
[4] Gamasutra, Emil Pagliarulo - https://archive.is/BVTgi
[5] Fallout Wiki Archive EP - https://archive.is/hoqbi
[6] Gamasutra, Ken Rolston Interview - https://archive.is/q6bwT
Blank Map of Tamriel, Cyrodiil - https://www.deviantart.com/fredoric1001/art/Coastline-of-Tamriel-in-png-445914450
Map Number Two - https://www.imperial-library.info/content/maps-cyrodiil
Map Number Three - OblivionSource.com
[7] Oblivion Fan Interview - http://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Oblivion_Fan_Interview_IV
[8] Xbox 360 Sales Numbers - https://web.archive.org/web/2006022...osoft.com/msft/download/FY06/MSFTQ2_06.ppt#14
[9] E3 2005 viewership - https://archive.is/iFkcb
[10] RPGamer Gavin Carter interview - https://archive.is/2oywc
[11] Ken Rolstone interview - https://archive.is/ZjsOf
[12] Pete Hines discussing DLC - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIMZA7heG_k
[13] Oblivion e3 2005 Gameplay Demo - https://archive.org/details/BethesdaSoftworksTheElderScrollsIVOblivion20MinuteReveal_2
[14] Decrypting the Elder Scrolls | GameInformer - https://archive.is/wxNwP
[15] Making of Thief 2 - https://archive.is/VmPmy
[16] Alan Nanes - https://archive.is/kHUgx
[17] Erik J Caponi - https://archive.is/1KrPn
[18] Microsoft | E3 2005 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hisMQ-YRbfQ
[19] Shivering Isles Education - https://archive.is/WVS45
[20] Ted Petersen Interview - https://archive.is/0V40o
[21] Douglas Goodall Interview - https://archive.is/3XEQV
[22] Power Attack Fatigue Penalty - https://archive.is/TJsun
[23] Jeremy Soule Interview - https://archive.is/zlKkc
[24] Megan Sawyer - https://archive.is/OYyHp
[25] Megan Sawyer Portfolio - https://archive.is/sKaVo
[26] Mark Nelson’s Fighters Guild - https://archive.is/CNXGY
[27] Fallout 4 Reddit Moment - https://archive.is/CZsIe
[28] Cutting Room Floor, Arena - https://archive.is/Jgt4Z
[29] Talks from STORY: Emil Pagliarulo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi51-wjcwp8
[30] Bethesda Podcast | Oblivion 5th Anniversary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9Cgcfxfi8
[31] Michael Kirkbride | Camoran Speech - https://archive.is/UBOzf
[32] GameSpot | Knights of the White Stallion - https://archive.is/4mAzT
[33] videogamer.com | Knights of the Nine is cheap - https://archive.is/6SRWJ
[34] Trial of Vivec - https://www.imperial-library.info/content/trial-vivec
[35] Old Wikipedia Article on Oblivion - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion&oldid=1016350614
[36] Shivering Isles Schizoaffective - https://archive.is/ELq1j
[37] Oblivion Royal Guard Armor - https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/25709

Oblivion Reviews
[1] WillLovesVideoGames | Oblivion Retrospective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4-9G47uF0
[2] NeverKnowsBest | Elder Scrolls Analysis: Oblivion Strikes Back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoSYDD3SRGQ
[3] DimeTree | Elder Scrolls Problem: Oblivion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ1SWfjaX2Y
[4] The Salt Factory | Was Oblivion As Good as I remember? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eapSJjo-XmQ
[5] EphiTV | Everything About Spellcrafting That Bethesda Didn’t Want You To Know - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuPjIICKmwE
[6] GameSpot | Oblivion Is Still Excellent 15 Years Later - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuYCGV4GF98
[7] Private Sessions | TES4 Oblivion Deconstruction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEqdqcfA4N8


Video and Audio Clips
[1] Game of Thrones - Oberyn Martell Scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDvinF3eGQw
[2] A Very Potter Musical - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmwM_AKeMCk
[3] Master Chief Death Sounds - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficBfCyCP9I
[4] That Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrxKX44qBJ0
[5] Kvatch Rebuilt (showcase) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHupxhtfEn4
[5] Kvatch Rebuilt (mod) - https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/15412
[6] Hitman 2 | Sean Bean - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtgljSIEOM
[7] The NeverEnding Story - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT4FFQ3Ugfc
[8] Invincible
[9] ManSlayer | GamerPoop:: Oblivion #1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLopJXUIlCs
[10] Bill Gates at Best Buy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lswG10SWw
[11] G4TV | First Xbox Sold - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Wj6-dEhPk
[12] Xbox Live Original Promo Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWALEOfgkuI
[13] Robin Hood: Men in Tights | 1993
[14] Twisted: The Untold Story of a Royal Vizier - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-77cUxba-aA
[15] The Trail to Oregon! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxKCX-UvPrI
[16] oblivion | LaFave Bros - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN80_7rNmcE
[17] A Very Potter Sequel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OepW-AG-Ris
[18] Berkan Denizyaran Interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPlbbGFnUhI
[19] Evil Races are Bad Game Design - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymUEPKTEQaQ
[20] JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: Part One: Phantom Blood
[21] Tilt Brush: Painting from a new perspective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TckqNdrdbgk
[22] Spinning Volume Knob - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GMdl1MWz68
Music

[1] Star | Young Scrolls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZXPx1kdtg
[2] The Fine | Young Scrolls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-vyKkOZ_JY
[3] Luther Broad Motel | Young Scrolls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GqrXWEWhf8
[4] Stardust Crusaders - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFjE5A4UAJI
[5] Straight Outta Cyrodiil - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdGKy3nLMeo
[6] PELINAL - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ix0_W-ouI
[7] Jauffre Jam - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHL7zyLsQ2k
[8] Bell Gargoyle | Dark Souls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7xpyhEw6H0
[9] Contraband | Mordhau - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F26xHBIgrps
[10] HP and the Philosophers Stone Game OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qIln4B151s
[11] Vvardenfell Vista | ESO OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsB3IvKPUl4
[12] Dagoth Ur Fanfiction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l83vT2svg3g
[13] One Final Effort | Halo 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5he75Jftp1Y
[14] Cornered | Dark Souls lo-fi - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RzJX-8ggBo
[15] Shipping and Receiving - Thief 2 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiqfIYGPAA4
[16] All in your Head | Neurox Worm Theme | Plague Inc Theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZJLZlvBdh0
[17] ESO Orsimer Theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agE5uB7gRww
[18] Grimgor Ironhide | Total War: Warhammer OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0123GwmdoU
[19] Warsong | Warlords of Draenor OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1xN5FWwlAI
[20] The Seraph | Guild Wars 2 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBOv-W_aPjg
[21] I Am Justice | Diablo 3 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdXYjnGO3-E
[22] Down to the Sewers | Baldur’s Gate OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLjilGoDqVc
[23] Sewer Battle | Baldur's Gate II OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnFHzwvQXzQ
[24] Bloodmoon Island (Alternative) - Divinity: Original Sin II Unofficial OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l7SspCkpas
[25] Valheim | The Forest Is Moving 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diTnoFqNKAI
[26] Silver for Monsters | Witcher 3 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQS4o_bYA_M
[27] The Wailing Host | Darksiders OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwXlZH0j9Dw
[29] Prison | Fable OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6q4D-4vKw
[28] Monster | Berserk OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-QCjpXdfo
[29] Purge | Grim Dawn: Ashes of Malmouth OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZi-elhLcR0
[30] Stand Your Ground | Grim Dawn OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvP3Flk3zmI
[31] Poverty and Famine | Kingdom Come: Deliverance OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLH4LnCu29s
[32] Wandering Wizard | Dink Smallwood (SC-55 Soundfont) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHB1PhZzi4
[33] Stormsong Valley | Battle for Azeroth OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f880AvCuI7c
[34] Killer | Yoshikage Kira’s Theme | JJBA OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yGGNohmAT0
[35] NukNuks Land | Sacred Underworld OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyMcBfTpCFI
[36] The Royal Conservatory | Dishonored 2 OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gml3mox7C7w
[37] Salty Sailor | Taverns of Azeroth OST - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV4_qfT9GIg
[38] Oh My Skooma - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQnwX9JKB0

Games
[1] The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion | Bethesda Softworks | 2006
[2] The Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall | Bethesda Softworks | 1996
[3] The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind | Bethesda Softworks | 1992
[4] The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim | Bethesda Softworks | 2011
[5] Fallout 3 | Bethesda Softworks | 2008
[6] Fallout 4 | Bethesda Softworks | 2015
[7] DOOM | ID Software | 1993
[8] Dark Souls | From Software | 2011
[9] Mordhau | Triternion | 2019
[10] Mount and Blade: Bannerlord | TaleWorlds Entertainment | 2020
[11] Blade and Sorcery | WarpFrog | 2018
[12] Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban | KnowWonder | 2004
[13] Halo: CE | Bungie | 2001
[14] Halo 2 | Bungie | 2004
[15] Halo 3 | Bungie | 2007
[16] Total War: Warhammer 2 | Creative Assembly | 2017
[17] Thief 2 | Looking Glass Studios | 2000
[18] Dishonored | Arkane Studios | 2012
[19] Cyberpunk 2077 | CD Projekt Red | 2020
[20] Elder Scrolls Online | ZeniMax Online Studios | 2014
[21] Valheim | Iron Gate AB | 2021
[22] Metal Gear Solid V | Kojima Productions | 2015
[23] The Witcher 3 | CD Projekt Red | 2015
[24] FEAR | Monolith Productions | 2005

(as a sidenote i recommend checking his other videos, i think in general his reviews should be liked by the people here and if anything i find it weird that nobody mentioned him so far aside from the Morrowind video)

I can't believe I actually watched this entire thing. There is no reason for this to be 12 hours long. If he stripped out the "let's play" portion of this analysis where he literally goes through every quest on screen and instead just summarized what happens in each faction then this could have been under 2 hours.

That said, he makes some very good points about Oblivion and why it's basically the worst Elder Scrolls game.
 

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Another classic review for Boiling Point - Road to Hell and bonus section dedicated to defence of paying real dosh for in-game resources
 

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I'm looking forward to his skyrim analysis, I've had a lot of issues with that game and I'm wondering if he'll even point them out as I've noticed a lot of my issues none of the fans give a shit about.
 

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