Viata
Arcane
Is your character Magician(wasn't changed to another one)? Was he always a magician? If so, this may be one of those things removed from the port(unintentionally, perhaps).
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Incline Elminage Gothic (former Japan only dungeon crawler)
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It's a Bishop, with the usual Mage Spell Up high mastery skill at a lower level, which is usual for the class.
I just started up Original to see if it's any different in that game, testing it with a character with 0% boosts, and then 150% using the Elemental Wand. It made no difference.
Only high mastery and EX skills affect the spell, it seems.
I just started up Original to see if it's any different in that game, testing it with a character with 0% boosts, and then 150% using the Elemental Wand. It made no difference.
Only high mastery and EX skills affect the spell, it seems.
Viata
Arcane
Well, the wiki says it's supposed to work only for Mages.
well, in the japanese wiki it says:
"To attack the entire enemy in the explosion of non-attribute
Magician only power rise by raising the attack attribute of Hikorikaminari."
now after googling hikorikaminari i found the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raijin
"Kaminari-sama: kaminari (雷, kaminari, thunder) and -sama (様, a Japanese honorific meaning "master")"
i assume that the hikori prefix refers specifically to Mage Spells Power Up+ ability, and the fragment "Magician only..." in the spells description can only lead us to assume that it only works if the character casting it is a Mage and not any other class.
it would make sense because Immoraliti only takes off 1/2 of the enemy's HP if the caster is a priest; if it is a bishop it takes of 1/4 and if it is a valkyrie or a lord it takes off 1/8 damage.
"To attack the entire enemy in the explosion of non-attribute
Magician only power rise by raising the attack attribute of Hikorikaminari."
now after googling hikorikaminari i found the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raijin
"Kaminari-sama: kaminari (雷, kaminari, thunder) and -sama (様, a Japanese honorific meaning "master")"
i assume that the hikori prefix refers specifically to Mage Spells Power Up+ ability, and the fragment "Magician only..." in the spells description can only lead us to assume that it only works if the character casting it is a Mage and not any other class.
it would make sense because Immoraliti only takes off 1/2 of the enemy's HP if the caster is a priest; if it is a bishop it takes of 1/4 and if it is a valkyrie or a lord it takes off 1/8 damage.
oh! i almost forgot: the other thing governing damange for ANY spell is INT. when i first entered Ibag's Tower and encountered the God-type enemy "Terror" (floating man-shape inside of a square crystal) he was the first enemy to cast Enterook Mista on my party and do 100-200 HP's worth of damage. This was immediately noteworthy for me because it had been at least 50 hours' worth of gaming since ANY enemy that used the spell on me dealt more than 50-80 damage.
after looking at Terror's stats in the bestiary i noticed two things: he has no elemental attack bonuses except dark attack; and second that his INT score was about 40. i couldn't find any other enemies with an INT score approaching that number with my current bestiary, so we can only assume it increases damage linearly, just like STR does for physical attacks and AC points do for damage-absorption.
i.e. 1 point of STR = 5% increase in damage dealt and 1 point less of AC = approx. the same 5% less damage taken. Polete the archer enemy (Thief Class) would deal 400-500 HP of damage on my -25 AC samurai, but then would deal only 300-350 damage on my ninja with -30 AC at that particular moment.
after looking at Terror's stats in the bestiary i noticed two things: he has no elemental attack bonuses except dark attack; and second that his INT score was about 40. i couldn't find any other enemies with an INT score approaching that number with my current bestiary, so we can only assume it increases damage linearly, just like STR does for physical attacks and AC points do for damage-absorption.
i.e. 1 point of STR = 5% increase in damage dealt and 1 point less of AC = approx. the same 5% less damage taken. Polete the archer enemy (Thief Class) would deal 400-500 HP of damage on my -25 AC samurai, but then would deal only 300-350 damage on my ninja with -30 AC at that particular moment.
Viata
Arcane
Hikorikaminari doesn't exist. What happened is that the google translated the three kanji for Ice, Fire and Thunder as a single word. 火(Fire) = Hi. 氷(Ice) = Koori 雷(Thunder) = Kaminari.
Viata
Arcane
Well, what you expect from a character named Cleve Blakemore?
Dorateen
Arcane
I don't have the manual handy, but doesn't the spell description describe Entermook as non-elemental damage? I'm talking about the port version.
Viata
Arcane
I should marathon Wizardry fast just to go back to this game. But I have free time only on weekend now, so I'm enjoy reading you guys playing this game.
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Take some Dove Bells with you, especially on 14F. Elvish Iron+Devil's Lapis, AP doesn't matter.
Dragons are starting to get more powerful. I just got through 16F and I'm getting Lufia 2 ancient cave vibes here.
I've also encountered the dreaded Stargazers, and like Polete-chan they attack four times per round+pursuit sweep. They deal twice as much damage, have Swallow Return, heal ~400 HP per round, and come in groups. They have little magic resist and unlike Polete are vulnerable to most ailments.
More findings:
-Blue wisps are weak to sleep (0% resist)
-Skillving is vulnerable to confusion (20%)
-Death Scythe are weak against elemental attacks (-20%), vulnerable to sleep (30%)
-Emerald Dragon is vulnerable to sleep (35%)
-Phoenix have perfect (100%) resist against every ailment, and summon buddies
-Archangels have low AC, heal 1200HP per turn, and autocast Immolarati at the end of every round...
-Status effect chance on spellcast is not affected by high mastery or anything besides monster resist (dice of fate show the rolls)
Dragons are starting to get more powerful. I just got through 16F and I'm getting Lufia 2 ancient cave vibes here.
I've also encountered the dreaded Stargazers, and like Polete-chan they attack four times per round+pursuit sweep. They deal twice as much damage, have Swallow Return, heal ~400 HP per round, and come in groups. They have little magic resist and unlike Polete are vulnerable to most ailments.
More findings:
-Blue wisps are weak to sleep (0% resist)
-Skillving is vulnerable to confusion (20%)
-Death Scythe are weak against elemental attacks (-20%), vulnerable to sleep (30%)
-Emerald Dragon is vulnerable to sleep (35%)
-Phoenix have perfect (100%) resist against every ailment, and summon buddies
-Archangels have low AC, heal 1200HP per turn, and autocast Immolarati at the end of every round...
-Status effect chance on spellcast is not affected by high mastery or anything besides monster resist (dice of fate show the rolls)
Dorateen
Arcane
has anyone ever put to use the ex skill Level Drain? i don't think many enemies have 100% drain resistance.
also i have begun to think that the shaman is the secret uber-DPS'er for post-game because of his 8 charms. 8 attacks each with smithed 20%-30% chance to behead? that sounds amazing.
or find in the bestiary the status ailment the fucker who is giving you trouble is weak to and smith all 8 charms with petrify or sleep or confusion, etc. i wish i had a medal of power handy.
(i could hex edit the class into one of my characters via the save game but meh... it's not the same. game won't calculate shit correctly if you just swap the classes. medal of power is the thing. obviously i could insert MoP's into the Shoppe Inventory but that's lame)
really wanna try out a shaman spec'd specifically for 8-attack-disables.
also i have begun to think that the shaman is the secret uber-DPS'er for post-game because of his 8 charms. 8 attacks each with smithed 20%-30% chance to behead? that sounds amazing.
or find in the bestiary the status ailment the fucker who is giving you trouble is weak to and smith all 8 charms with petrify or sleep or confusion, etc. i wish i had a medal of power handy.
(i could hex edit the class into one of my characters via the save game but meh... it's not the same. game won't calculate shit correctly if you just swap the classes. medal of power is the thing. obviously i could insert MoP's into the Shoppe Inventory but that's lame)
really wanna try out a shaman spec'd specifically for 8-attack-disables.
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Nearly every enemy in the game has at least 70% drain resistance, and it's an active skill that takes up a turn. I just tried it on those level 1 worms in the first dungeon. Failed 5/5 tries.
I have a shaman in reserve. They get really good main weapons on par with hunters, but only a few charms. Whether your shaman can do their 8 attacks really depends on how many Divine Charms you've found and sold to the shop. I had two, and accidentally broke one (tested effect for minor stat increase then saved). Think they drop in B4F-B6F of the Ancient Cave. You'll need to go hunting for ores too. Remember that Swallow Killer is an active, limited use skill (you get only 6 SP and it uses one). Needs an herbalist postgame, might be difficult to work it into your party composition.
I have a shaman in reserve. They get really good main weapons on par with hunters, but only a few charms. Whether your shaman can do their 8 attacks really depends on how many Divine Charms you've found and sold to the shop. I had two, and accidentally broke one (tested effect for minor stat increase then saved). Think they drop in B4F-B6F of the Ancient Cave. You'll need to go hunting for ores too. Remember that Swallow Killer is an active, limited use skill (you get only 6 SP and it uses one). Needs an herbalist postgame, might be difficult to work it into your party composition.
Dorateen
Arcane
I'd say Labyrinth of Touhou for the battle system, encounter design, and large-scale party management and character building, this one for first-person Wizardry-like dungeon exploration and early Wizardry-like party building.
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