Elite: Dangerous

[Executr]

Nobody used ad hominem, just sayin. Do you even know what it means?

Can you read? Or you just read what do you agree with?
I was called a retard for giving some valid reasons for my frustation with this offline news, while that same person is being spreading lies, which was already called for.

But I really shouldn't have to give reasons. I backed the game on the promise of offline single-player, which will not be fullfiled. I won't have what I backed for. Like me many did it. And maybe if not for us 'offliners' the game wouldn't be funded in the first place (if you watched the KS you would know the discussion about the offline and how many backers threatened to pull their pledges).

But if you really want reasons, I'll give you my main reasons: trust and integrity. I know they're hard to come these days with game developers, but I trusted Braben and co. so I'm pretty pissed. Especially with the timing and how it was communicated.

If this all thing was the other way around, instead cutting the online component, I would feel simpathy and be supportive for you guys, not throwing names around.


But whatever, already asked for a refund and I'll stop coming to this thread. I however will lurk and smirk when 16 Dec comes, and you'll be blocked off the game because of downed servers and queues.

 

[SuicideBunny]

The reason is that if you played the beta, probably enjoyed it (otherwise you wouldn't have played it), you didn't care about being always online (otherwise you wouldn't have played it), then don't try to pull a 180 and want a refund. Oh, you liked playing online, didn't have any problem with it, but suddenly, after you put a 100 hour into our game, you want your money back? Then fuck you!

is that what frontier actually said, or is it you coming up with something incredibly ridiculous on your own? either way it is a huge pile of bullshit that would only be valid if dropping offline mode had been announced before beginning of beta, as being able to and having played online extensively now does not mean that offline mode was not somebody's main reason for purchase.
for example, i get infrequent assignments with a length of several months that see me off to some shithole with company provided lodgings where i have very limited or no internet access. if i knew something like that was coming up, i'd definitely demand at least a partial refund to the lowest tier with free major add-ons and buy some proper singleplayer games for the money. dropping offline at the last minute is a dick move. not giving refunds afterwards for people who played beta is another one.

not cool, frontier. not cool at all.

 

[The Anus Of Discontent]

For the kickstarter dudes, tough shit. Kickstarter's a donation; never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use kickstarter. You're not even an investor, you're not guaranteed to get shit, you're just giving a donation to an idea 'cause you're brain bleached, and for some reason enjoy taking the risk of developing something upon yourself, the risk the developer should take, not the consumer. Just be thankful Little B. didn't just take the money and hop over to Mexico

For dudes like me who got beta, well, a dick move begs a dick move. If they won't refund; chargeback. This is a blatant false advertising bait and switch which didn't come somewhere in the middle of development, but less than a month before full fledged release. Call up your credit card and file a chargeback, EULA's not law, I don't give a shit what's written in there, if I don't get the product I'm promised, then I've been lied to, and deserve my money back. No ifs buts or what have you.

Lastly, no, excluding offline isn't 'no big deal.' Enjoy pausing the game because you've gotten explosive diarrhea after chugging a 2L bottle of mountain dew with your dorito covered chode-fingers, oh wait you can't 'cause it's online only, asshole, I hope you didn't forget to put your extra absorbent adult diaper on.

 

[balmorar]

 

[skuphundaku]

For the kickstarter dudes, tough shit. Kickstarter's a donation; never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use kickstarter

It's not like that. What they just did is wreck their reputation. Look at what happened with Planetary Annihilation. When the same dev came back to KS with a second project, they failed hard and they had to start fireing people. The same thing will happen with FD and everybody that got screwed will be dancing on their graves. Fuck them! They deserve all that's coming to them.

 

[SuicideBunny]

alt-sense tingling...

anyhoo, it's still a good game, and without kickstarter it wouldn't have happened at all.

it goes back to its pen or it gets the hose again.

 

[balmorar]

It's always a pleasure to laugh at idiots who spent money on kickstarter.

 

[almondblight]

The reason is that if you played the beta, probably enjoyed it (otherwise you wouldn't have played it), you didn't care about being always online (otherwise you wouldn't have played it), then don't try to pull a 180 and want a refund.

The hell? So people who played Towns or Stomping Grounds have no right to complain when the developers stopped working on the game, because since they played those games they must be satisfied by them? "You played the beta so we don't owe you shit." Not sure why so many gamers have Stockholm syndrome, but this kind of garbage is a cancer that needs to die.

 

[Ulminati]

This is J "Double Fine Did Nothing Wrong" C you're talking to. Bastard still owes us an impartial review of Spacebase DF9.

 

[bonescraper]

So, does anybody know if there's a planned wipe when the game hits gamma? I don't know if i should start playing fo realz tomorrow, or should i wait til saturday.

 

[Ulminati]

Pretty sure there'll be a wipe.

 

[bonescraper]

But it makes little sense, unless the gamma update adds more stuff.

But the gamma wipe is the final wipe, right? We get a headstart? Tell me it is so.

Oh, and look what i found:

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

As far as I know, yeah they'll wipe the slate clean.

Guess it wouldn't be fair on people like me if bored endgame-participants were camping the newbie station during the first days of the gamma.

 

[bonescraper]

As far as I know, yeah they'll wipe the slate clean.

Guess it wouldn't be fair on people like me if bored endgame-participants were camping the newbie station during the first days of the gamma.

Hmm, that's not what i've heard. I guess i'll need some clarification on that.

And don't worry, where there are pirates, there are bounty hunters.

 

[Ulminati]

As far as I know, yeah they'll wipe the slate clean.

Guess it wouldn't be fair on people like me if bored endgame-participants were camping the newbie station during the first days of the gamma.

Hmm, that's not what i've heard. I guess i'll need some clarification on that.

And don't worry, where there are pirates, there are bounty hunters.

FD said there'd be a wipe for Gamma, but progress in Gamma would carry over to live. So we still get to camp SV at Azeban Orbital in our upgraded Cobras.

 

[bonescraper]

Then i hope i'll get my compimentary Eagle this saturday. Otherwise, it's worthless.

 

[SuicideBunny]

It's always a pleasure to laugh at idiots who spent money on kickstarter.

kickstarter is a reward platform for good ideas, to be used by people who can afford to waste some money on the vague promise of something without any guarantee to its functionality or quality.
without kickstarter, this game wouldn't have happened anytime soon, if ever. despite the dick move with offline mode, the game is still good, as nearly everyone playing can attest (unlike the purely hype-based opinions about nms).

so in context, you are laughing at people who made an actually good game, one that many have been waiting for, happen with money they could spare, which most of them have now been playing for quite a while, and you do it because a team of obviously competent developers and designers decided to pull a few dick moves to maximize profits, while also calling them idiots, but spreading hype-propaganda about a game that hardly anybody (and i am being generous here) has played or tested so far, by mostly unknown people, which is due to release at nearly the same time. maybe it's just me, but all in all it makes you look rather moronic yourself.

FD said there'd be a wipe for Gamma, but progress in Gamma would carry over to live. So we still get to camp SV at Azeban Orbital in our upgraded Cobras.

'dexer, please. upgraded cobras are starter ships.

 

[balmorar]

It's always a pleasure to laugh at idiots who spent money on kickstarter.

kickstarter is a reward platform for good ideas, to be used by people who can afford to waste some money on the vague promise of something without any guarantee to its functionality or quality.
without kickstarter, this game wouldn't have happened anytime soon, if ever. despite the dick move with offline mode, the game is still good, as nearly everyone playing can attest (unlike the purely hype-based opinions about nms).

so in context, you are laughing at people who made an actually good game, one that many have been waiting for, happen with money they could spare, which most of them have now been playing for quite a while, and you do it because a team of obviously competent developers and designers decided to pull a few dick moves to maximize profits, while also calling them idiots, but spreading hype-propaganda about a game that hardly anybody (and i am being generous here) has played or tested so far, by mostly unknown people, which is due to release at nearly the same time. maybe it's just me, but all in all it makes you look rather moronic yourself.

FD said there'd be a wipe for Gamma, but progress in Gamma would carry over to live. So we still get to camp SV at Azeban Orbital in our upgraded Cobras.

'dexer, please. upgraded cobras are starter ships.

You're trying too hard.

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

FD said there'd be a wipe for Gamma, but progress in Gamma would carry over to live. So we still get to camp SV at Azeban Orbital in our upgraded Cobras.

Not a problem, really. I get to start on the 22nd as well.

 

[SuicideBunny]

You're trying too hard.

invest some skillpoints in introspection.

 

[balmorar]

You're trying too hard.

invest some skillpoints in introspection.

 

[SuicideBunny]

so, codexian startership dogfight arena on saturday?

 

[Mortmal]

As far as I know, yeah they'll wipe the slate clean.

Guess it wouldn't be fair on people like me if bored endgame-participants were camping the newbie station during the first days of the gamma.

Hmm, that's not what i've heard. I guess i'll need some clarification on that.

And don't worry, where there are pirates, there are bounty hunters.

FD said there'd be a wipe for Gamma, but progress in Gamma would carry over to live. So we still get to camp SV at Azeban Orbital in our upgraded Cobras.

Do you have a source for that ? I browse the forums but never found anything reliable, nor in the newsletter. It makes little sense to wipe after last beta so a wipe after gamma wouldnt suprise me that much...

 

[SuicideBunny]

Do you have a source for that ? I browse the forums but never found anything reliable, nor in the newsletter. It makes little sense to wipe after last beta so a wipe after gamma wouldnt suprise me that much...

Creator Frontier Developments on October 20, 2013

@ Synchromesh

Alpha and Beta are for bug testing, in Gamma we expect people to play as they would normally - which is why we've said we'll take the time we need to ensure that these stages are completed correctly. We won't be reseting during Gamma unless something completely game breaking is discovered.

Michael

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/posts/633090

 

[Bradylama]

I better take my gear out of storage and play through the training missions again before Saturday. I stopped playing midway through Beta 2 so I'm pretty rusty.