ELEX ELEX RELEASE THREAD

[Fenix]

Steam brought me this.

-Talking to Duras freezes the Game
->Solution: Pressing L to open your Logs should unfreeze

 

[Forest Dweller]

So is this pretty much Gothic/Risen with guns?

 

[Kahr]

Outlaws just rule. Game gets better once you leave the treehuggers.

 

[Gepeu]

While being a good game and all, they need to overhaul their UI in general asap.

Also, I've just got my first T-pose :D

 

[Jimmious]

 

[Villagkouras]

I am trying to understand the commercial reasoning behind releasing South Park on the same day as ELEX

 

[Jimmious]

That is 18k more potential ELEX players there

 

[Stavrophore]

Is there more music beside that sad motiff, or is it just because im hanging in eden with tree hippies?

Edit: And how can you make an open world game with lot of enemies, and not make combat gained XP rewarding enough just to make you incentive to hunt enemies? The main XP gain is through quest, and the disparity is huge, why bother fighting creatures when you can get 20x more xp by quest. The only worth fighting are those that guard some resources, the rest i just run by. I'm still torturing myself on ultra diff, just to see how shitty the balance is.

 

[Ludo Lense]

Well I guess I'll be a spoil sport seeing as everyone is celebrating in this thread.

I spent 30 minutes analyzing the combat system by fighting the same biter again and again trying to see if I can kill it without getting hit once.

Result: It is terrible.

The lack of basic feedback is aggravating , there is barely any blood or hit effect at all when connecting a strike, the recoil animation is so jerky it looks more like an attack and the sound design makes it feel like I am hitting a wall rather than rending flesh.

Trying to get a flow going is a nightmare, sometimes I manage get in a Quick-Quick-Heavy-Heavy after the biter's far too long 3 hit dash but sometimes it just snaps backs and hits me, there are serious consistency issues in how enemy animations flow into one another, plenty of "snapping" into position going on.

But the biggest issue by far is the hitboxes:



This is unacceptably bad, even for a 25 man team or how many devs PB has.

 

[Fenix]

Yeah, hitboxes are bad.

 

[Stavrophore]

This is unacceptably bad, even for a 25 man team or how many devs PB has.

Exactly, that's why went ranged route.

 

[dragonul09]

Well I guess I'll be spoil sport seeing as everyone is celebrating in this thread.

I spent 30 minutes analyzing the combat system by fighting the same bitter again and again trying to see if I can kill it without getting hit once.

Result: It is terrible.

The lack of basic feedback is aggravating , there is barely any blood or hit effect at all when connecting a strike, the recoil animation is so jerky it looks more like an attack and the sound design makes it feel like I am hitting a wall rather than rending flesh.

Trying to get as flow going is a nightmare, sometimes I manage get in a Quick-Quick-Heavy-Heavy after the biter's far too long 3 hit dash but some times it just snaps backs and hits me, there are serious consistency issues in how enemy animations flow into one another, plenty of "snapping" into position going on.

But the biggest issue by far is the hitboxes:


This is unacceptably bad, even for a 25 man team or how many devs PB has.

Not even Gothic 2 or even 1 had such terrible hitboxes or jerky combat and you can cleary see it here


The combat is in a terrible state and whoever defends this should be ashamed

 

[Elex]

I am trying to understand the commercial reasoning behind releasing South Park on the same day as ELEX

ok this is too much even for me.

 

[Elex]

Is there more music beside that sad motiff, or is it just because im hanging in eden with tree hippies?

Edit: And how can you make an open world game with lot of enemies, and not make combat gained XP rewarding enough just to make you incentive to hunt enemies? The main XP gain is through quest, and the disparity is huge, why bother fighting creatures when you can get 20x more xp by quest. The only worth fighting are those that guard some resources, the rest i just run by. I'm still torturing myself on ultra diff, just to see how shitty the balance is.

the actual reward of killing certain hard enemies is finding loot inside some cave or opening up some new area or shortcut.

 

[Grunker]

Well I guess I'll be spoil sport seeing as everyone is celebrating in this thread.

I spent 30 minutes analyzing the combat system by fighting the same biter again and again trying to see if I can kill it without getting hit once.

Result: It is terrible.

The lack of basic feedback is aggravating , there is barely any blood or hit effect at all when connecting a strike, the recoil animation is so jerky it looks more like an attack and the sound design makes it feel like I am hitting a wall rather than rending flesh.

Trying to get a flow going is a nightmare, sometimes I manage get in a Quick-Quick-Heavy-Heavy after the biter's far too long 3 hit dash but sometimes it just snaps backs and hits me, there are serious consistency issues in how enemy animations flow into one another, plenty of "snapping" into position going on.

But the biggest issue by far is the hitboxes:



This is unacceptably bad, even for a 25 man team or how many devs PB has.

Combat - at least on the lower levels - can pretty much be summed up with one word: janky

Hardly a surprise with PB though and it's something that patches can fix fairly easily. The question is whether the content can carry this game for the long haul IMO

 

[dragonul09]

Well I guess I'll be spoil sport seeing as everyone is celebrating in this thread.

I spent 30 minutes analyzing the combat system by fighting the same biter again and again trying to see if I can kill it without getting hit once.

Result: It is terrible.

The lack of basic feedback is aggravating , there is barely any blood or hit effect at all when connecting a strike, the recoil animation is so jerky it looks more like an attack and the sound design makes it feel like I am hitting a wall rather than rending flesh.

Trying to get a flow going is a nightmare, sometimes I manage get in a Quick-Quick-Heavy-Heavy after the biter's far too long 3 hit dash but sometimes it just snaps backs and hits me, there are serious consistency issues in how enemy animations flow into one another, plenty of "snapping" into position going on.

But the biggest issue by far is the hitboxes:



This is unacceptably bad, even for a 25 man team or how many devs PB has.

Combat - at least on the lower levels - can pretty much be summed up with one word: janky

Hardly a surprise with PB though and it's something that patches can fix fairly easily. The question is whether the content can carry this game for the long haul IMO

It's a pretty fucking big surprise,none of their games had such amount of ''jank'' when it comes to combat,hell Risen 3 is a fucking masterpiece compared with this clunky shit.

It's ridiculous that we have to defend these second handed devs which abilities to make a decent game seem to degrade with every release,it's fucking pathetic.

 

[Grunker]

I'm not defending them

 

[Tigranes]

Also I wouldn't really hold out for patches changing anything substantial

 

[abnaxus]

Just shoot chit with ur lazor breh.

 

[Grunker]

Also I wouldn't really hold out for patches changing anything substantial

Isn't stuff like hitboxes fairly simple to change..? I mean it's not exactly like you have to revamp anything in a major way

 

[Tigranes]

Also I wouldn't really hold out for patches changing anything substantial

Isn't stuff like hitboxes fairly simple to change..? I mean it's not exactly like you have to revamp anything

I suppose they did fix/include dodging for R2/R3 after release, so maybe. It's hard to figure out why it's so janky right now, though, I mean does it extend 3m wide?

 

[Gepeu]

All I can hear is a whisper carried with the wind.

It says "git gud".

 

[Grunker]

Also I wouldn't really hold out for patches changing anything substantial

Isn't stuff like hitboxes fairly simple to change..? I mean it's not exactly like you have to revamp anything

I suppose they did fix/include dodging for R2/R3 after release, so maybe. It's hard to figure out why it's so janky right now, though, I mean does it extend 3m wide?

I think there's two things at play: poor animation (the animation meshing work is simply too shoddily done - the attack animations of two characters have next to no blend, meaning no consideration was put into making everything gel) and too wide hitboxes. Together, those two problems create some fucking chaotic combat scenarios. Hitboxes seem simple to fix - the animation perhaps not so much.

Also, I think this game might get a much wider audience than Risen, which might mean more support after launch. We'll see. Either way, I feel like PB has always been about scope at the cost of polish, and this time, the scope is vast.

 

[Sigourn]

And the enemies can just spam the grenade launcher,guns,bows all day long

.

Yep, they should have limited ammo, and when they run out, they should switch to secondary like sword [which should be weaker? up to debate], since its secondary stat/weapon. This way, enemies could be powerful first, but when you strip them from their advantages, eg. dodge their grenades, neuter their best magic shots etc. etc. then you could kill them easier.

This would require VERY good AI, though. It's very easy to bait enemies into attacking you and missing their shots in most videogames (if not every game I've ever played), so unlimited ammo is to balance stuff.

 

[Fenix]

Some patch for Elex was downloaded and I can't start the game.

Maybe it's because I modified ini before, to make save work.