Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Thread

[Iluvcheezcake]

Be very interesting to see where these devs end up.

I'm guessing some piss-pot tiny studios for a short stint, and then when those games fail off to another line of work.

Silly cunts can't seem to grasp that there has to be a paying audience there for something to be a success, and the Troon one is both small in number and poor financially.

Hopefully they join their old butt buddy Gaider in his studio and make great games for modern audience

 

[Decado]

They should have just kept the game as a party-based RTwP RPG. It's not hard. There was no reason to fuck with the formula they developed for DA:O, except to fix the terrible Joss Whedon writing and dialog. That's all they had to do. They could have a reliable, decent selling RPG series on their hands if they hadn't fucked this up in 2011.

 

[Blutwurstritter]

Looking back it really is a strange development Bioware went through. They had two lines of rpgs that could appeal to different minded people, with the Mass Effect series, and the rtwp games from BG to Dragon Age 1. Now they have reduced themselves to action based games that appeal to neither, except marginal minorities. I wonder if they wanted to reduce development costs by making them more similar as to share resources between these games.

I am curious how the sales of Dragon Age:Veilguard compares to the Pathfinder games. Have they sold more compared to Veilguard, if you combine the sales from both Patfhinder games?

 

[Dishonoredbr]

They should have just kept the game as a party-based RTwP RPG. It's not hard. There was no reason to fuck with the formula they developed for DA:O, except to fix the terrible Joss Whedon writing and dialog. That's all they had to do. They could have a reliable, decent selling RPG series on their hands if they hadn't fucked this up in 2011.

IDK Bioware always seemed like they wanted to make Action RPGs since their Post-KOTOR days. Even DAO flirted with Action elements and cinematics with the finishers not to mention Mass Effect in general. They never wanted to stay as a RPG developers.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Sheryl Chee (Leliana, Isabela, Blackwall and Harding) is now w/ EA Motive.

 

[Lodis]

Why not just put BioWare out of its misery at this point? Are they really banking on Mass Effect to save them after over a decade of embarrassing failures?

 

[Decado]

Sheryl Chee (Leliana, Isabela, Blackwall and Harding) is now w/ EA Motive.

I don't know if this is real or not, but from the Dragon Age II wiki, this "short story" was apparently written by Chee.

https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Isabela_(short_story)

It is so, so, so bad.

 

[Larianshill]

I woke up with a smile on my face today.

 

[Camel]

Who knew there would be consequences to dive-bombing one of your key franchises off a cliff and jam-packing both the game and company with woke shite. BioWare truly was patient zero in terms of the SocJus/Woke/DEI infestation in AAA gaming and removing this deep-rooted layer of rot has been a long time coming. Regardless of how much of the old BioWare remains after EA's restructuring, I'd hope for EA to do full purge on wokies if they want any chance of making their next game a success. The clown show is reaching its end, time to clean house.

Pleased to see Weekes is out, Epler should be out too, by rights, he's been around since Origins at least as far as I recall and is equally culpable as Busche in taking a massive dump on the lore/characters etc and driving the IP off a cliff with Veilguard. Weekes though, 20 years at BioWare only to end it all in the midst of some they/them midlife crisis and making an absolute disgrace of yourself on social media and the products you put out there. What an embarassment.

Right. Epler is not a writer, he was a cinematic designer.

 

[Aarwolf]

I am curious how the sales of Dragon Age:Veilguard compares to the Pathfinder games. Have they sold more compared to Veilguard, if you combine the sales from both Patfhinder games?

WotR alone sold more than Failguard, bypassing 1 million treshold in January 2023. Rogue Trader did this also this January. Kingmaker's sales are between 1 and 2 million copies.

 

[NecroLord]

Why not just put BioWare out of its misery at this point? Are they really banking on Mass Effect to save them after over a decade of embarrassing failures?

I read some claims that they are still expecting Mass Effect to fail and only then they will get rid of Bioware.

 

[Terra]

Who knew there would be consequences to dive-bombing one of your key franchises off a cliff and jam-packing both the game and company with woke shite. BioWare truly was patient zero in terms of the SocJus/Woke/DEI infestation in AAA gaming and removing this deep-rooted layer of rot has been a long time coming. Regardless of how much of the old BioWare remains after EA's restructuring, I'd hope for EA to do full purge on wokies if they want any chance of making their next game a success. The clown show is reaching its end, time to clean house.

Pleased to see Weekes is out, Epler should be out too, by rights, he's been around since Origins at least as far as I recall and is equally culpable as Busche in taking a massive dump on the lore/characters etc and driving the IP off a cliff with Veilguard. Weekes though, 20 years at BioWare only to end it all in the midst of some they/them midlife crisis and making an absolute disgrace of yourself on social media and the products you put out there. What an embarassment.

Right. Epler is not a writer, he was a cinematic designer.

Nobody said Epler was a writer, (nor should EA's restructure be limited to that dept). He was made Narrative, then later Creative Director of Veilguard at some point, no? That's a lead, decision making position, and he had a part to play in shitting over the past heritage of the previous games, lore, setting & characters he worked on, things he surely has claimed to hold love, passion & respect for. That's a graver offense in my book that a random outsider like Busche coming in and doing the same, Epler should have wanted to maintain the series as a viable product. Nobody was forcing the Veilguard leads to have characters do bharves, ignore 99% of past player choices, etc, they collectively decided to do that themselves and should pay for it. A look at his twitter activist profile pic alone merits his immediate dismisal, regardless of whatever technical skills he may possess.

 

[Morgoth]

 

[Larianshill]

Nobody was forcing the Veilguard leads to have characters do bharves, ignore 99% of past player choices, etc, they collectively decided to do that themselves and should

do a bharve

 

[Blutwurstritter]

I am curious how the sales of Dragon Age:Veilguard compares to the Pathfinder games. Have they sold more compared to Veilguard, if you combine the sales from both Patfhinder games?

WotR alone sold more than Failguard, bypassing 1 million treshold in January 2023. Rogue Trader did this also this January. Kingmaker's sales are between 1 and 2 million copies.

That speaks for itself. Bioware's time truly is over, when they are outdone by AA rpg's with much smaller budgets like this. They have been over the creative zenith for a long time, but this financial failure looks more and more like it could be the last nail in the coffin. Not that there is anything of worth left to be lost...

 

[Larianshill]

That speaks for itself. Bioware's time truly is over, when they are outdone by AA rpg's with much smaller budgets like this. They have been over the creative zenith for a long time, but this financial failure looks more and more like it could be the last nail in the coffin. Not that there is anything of worth left to be lost...

For a moment, I've thought you are fantadomat, and I've thought - wow, he's become far more eloquent. Is he off the bath salts?

 

[Roguey]

Epler should be out too

Epler got moved to another studio , I'm think he's working for EA Motive.

His linkedin says they moved him to Full Circle, a fully remote studio working on some Skate game.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

His linkedin says they moved him to Full Circle, a fully remote studio working on some Skate game.

Oh he's working on Skate 4 then.

 

[Paul_cz]

I still haven't played it, but from what I have seen of it in gameplays and reviews, everyone involved deserves to be laid off and go work mopping the floors at McDonald's.

 

[Artyoan]

Between Andromeda, Anthem, and Veilguard, I'm not sure where the hype for a new Mass Effect could come from. Or how the ball can keep rolling.

 

[ferratilis]

I'm not sure where the hype for a new Mass Effect could come from.

From paid game reviewers and influencers, of course. And when it underperforms the same way Veilguard did, Bioware will finally be put out of its misery, and the world will be better for it.

 

[HumanTotemPole]

Mass Effect is already fully an action game. It’s always been an action game series.

I've stumbled into a trilogy play through lately (never stuck with 2 or ever played 3) and it's worth emphasising this. ME1 is at least RPG-adjacent but ME2 is almost pure late 00s/early 10s coverbanger with some CYOA dialogue. Haven't gotten to 3 yet but I can't imagine it'll be any different. Overriding takeaway so far is thank fuck cover shooters are a dead genre.

 

[cvv]

I still haven't played it, but from what I have seen of it in gameplays and reviews, everyone involved deserves to be laid off and go work mopping the floors at McDonald's.

Everyone including the higher-ups from EA who greenlighted the thing and kept it alive for years.

How can you be a manager in a vidya publishing company holding the purse if you can't tell a turd from a banana? Wild.

 

[Space Satan]

Oh, poor them.

Ah, yes,famous Bioware writers

 

[Paul_cz]

Between Andromeda, Anthem, and Veilguard, I'm not sure where the hype for a new Mass Effect could come from. Or how the ball can keep rolling.

Mass Effect still has lot of inbuilt hype from the trilogy and its remaster. If they showed new ME game and it actually looked good (no obvious DEI, realistic artstyle, good writing) hype would built up for it, even with all the flops Bioware produced.