Dragon Age: Inquisition Pre-Release Thread

[Hepler's Vagina]

The next games will tell so why don't we wait here, see what happens?

Except since when have shittier and shittier sequels stopped people from buying more and more? It's time to burn those economics text books, cos they don't apply to this industry. And especially not to BioWare. By the sound of the DA2 whining, you'd think Bio had no fans left in the world, yet along comes their next turd ... and close to 5 million copies find good homes. And the whining starts again - you'd think there were no fans left this time for sure. But along comes the DLC and sells 1m copies. I'm calling it now - DA3 pre-orders > 1m. It really is battered wife syndrome.

 

[Oesophagus]

The next games will tell so why don't we wait here, see what happens?

Except since when have shittier and shittier sequels stopped people from buying more and more? It's time to burn those economics text books, cos they don't apply to this industry. And especially not to BioWare. By the sound of the DA2 whining, you'd think Bio had no fans left in the world, yet along comes their next turd ... and close to 5 million copies find good homes. And the whining starts again - you'd think there were no fans left this time for sure. But along comes the DLC and sells 1m copies. I'm calling it now - DA3 pre-orders > 1m. It really is battered wife syndrome.

They are too easily distracted and have a memory span of five seconds.

"Dragon Age 2 was shit, and I am disappointed, Bioware! I will never buy any of your pr... OOOH DRAGON AGE 3!!!"

 

[Necroscope]

This is very likely, though expecing that ppl will stop buying games from a dev due to one shitty game (DA2) is even higher level of wishful thinking. Since then TOR and ME3 happened.

 

[Roguey]

More like internet comments aren't a reflection of reality.

No, 70k ppl voicing their disappointment is not a few, it's actually quite a fuckin' lot given the context. I wonder how many ppl bitching over a vg would be not a few - 300k, 1 million?

Yeah, if they had over a million unsatisfied costumers that would be a cause for concern. You seem to be having trouble with scale. Tens-hundreds of thousands of people are a lot of voices on the internet. Compared to millions, it's a minority, and what matters is the bottom line: ME3 sold well enough to justify the existence of more DLC, ME3 and the DLC sold well enough to justify the existence of ME4 plus a new IP. If it had failed, there would have been quite the downsizing at Bioware. The worst thing that happened is that they had to spend some of their profits on a better ending as a token of goodwill.

http://www.eluta.ca/top-employer-bioware

Chosen as one of Alberta's Top Employers for 2013
...
Full-time employees in Canada:413. Full-time at this location:353. Full-time worldwide:1,502. Longest serving employee:17 years. Number of applications received at this location last year:2,000.

In 2012 they had 354 employees in Edmonton. They're fine for now.

One of those bloggers being Alex Knapp, the staff member. Forbes published over 10 articles about the ME3 affair, written by various ppl. I just googled 3 in a few seconds:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/05/14/mass-effect-3-the-return-of-the-shepard/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...fect-3s-extended-cut-too-little-far-too-late/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/

Still just blogs hosted at Forbes.

Moreover other media referred to them as "Forbes" - not "some blogger".

Since when is games journalism a beacon of accuracy in reporting?

 

[Cromwell]

Cromwell what did you specifically think of Mass Effect 3? Likes, dislikes? What they did wrong?

Cant say much, after playing the first and second one after another I had to take a ME break, so I only played some of the startng area. I hated the Child, I hated the Scene with the Child and the escape shuttle, Especially the zooming in there, the music. I dont have a Clue why Shep got grounded again, logical wise, Gameplay wise so far I think it is an excuse to go again in search for a new Team. The writing is worse then even 2 at least the dialogues that I saw.

After 2 Games running around trying to stp reapers I have to fight the urge to smash my Head in my Monitor if the council says "reapers are coming, who could have known?" and "they just didnt believe you shepard" is not a good enugh explanation for me for this.

I will play through it in the next few weeks to have it behd me, I still found 1 and 2 entertaining sometimes, still think the second was the better game but had the worse writing, I liked the beginning of the last mission, but hated the whole ceberus cigarette smoking man thing, the bossfight at the end was, well, they said the thing was an infant...

From what I saw from the three Games I do understand hat people do like them, I even understand If they are fans the same way you like B or C movies or something in that vein. What I still dont get is sentences like the one I quoted. I dont think I'm the most refined guy ther eis and it scares me a little if so many people count such stories and gaes as a form of high art and the bestest of best things programmed since the tamagotchi.

 

[Necroscope]

You seem to be having trouble with scale. Tens-hundreds of thousands of people are a lot of voices on the internet. Compared to millions, it's a minority

Comparing a number of those who complain to a number of ppl who bought a product is hardly accurate; due to this way of thinking, there should be milions of ppl praising ME3 on the Internet, yet they're the ones in minority. Not everyone who bought rotten milk goes back to the shop in order to make a complaint, some ppl just throw it away and never purchase in the shop again.

ME3 sold well enough to justify the existence of more DLC, ME3 and the DLC sold well enough to justify the existence of ME4 plus a new IP.

ME3 sales have no reliance to the fiasco. As for the DLC, I've never seen any sales records.

Still just blogs hosted at Forbes.

Still Forbes, still a member of the staff, still you try to confuse and disinform.

Since when is games journalism a beacon of accuracy in reporting?

Since when it matters? People believe what they want.

 

[Infinitron]

Let's just wait and see what ME4's sales are. Remember, it's no longer a game about Shepard, so there's less incentive for people to buy it due to wanting to see the end of the story.

 

[DalekFlay]

If it was not profitable EA would drop it like a hot brick.

They don't want it to be profitable, they want it to be an amazing return on investment.

 

[Hepler's Vagina]

If it was not profitable EA would drop it like a hot brick.

They don't want it to be profitable, they want it to be an amazing return on investment.

Nah. Grimrock sold 600,000 with a 3 man team. DA2 sold 1,800,000 on a 300 man team. I'm guessing the 3 dudes at Almost Human 'pushed EA's shit up' pretty far with their ROI. If ROI was EA's thing, they'd split Edmonton into 100 teams of 3 guys and have them all make their own old school blobber. But it wasn't, so they didn't, as a video game writing legend once (nearly) said.

 

[tuluse]

You're right, they're not really interested in ROI. They're interested in total profits. So if the devs of Grimrock made $10 per copy (charitable), that's 6 million. Let's say it cost $200,000 to make for a total profit of 5.8 million. That's pretty good. EA wants to sell 5 million copies and make $20 per copy, which is 100 million dollars. At this point you can spend $94 million on making the game, and still make more money.

So yeah, DalekFlay is wrong. Total profits are what EA is interested in.

 

[Hepler's Vagina]

But if EA spent your hypothetical $94m on a game and achieved Grimrocks ROI on that investment, Riccietello would die from an overdose of endorphins. The profitability indicators aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[DalekFlay]

So yeah, DalekFlay is wrong. Total profits are what EA is interested in.

I'm not an accountant. I meant exactly what you just said, they want to play with larger amounts of money than simply being profitable or making small games for small profits.

 

[Roguey]

In the latest DA comic, Gaider has decreed that transwomen are no big deal in the Dragon Age world.

I hope she's a romanceable companion in DA3. That would be epic, epic for the win.

 

[tuluse]

In the latest DA comic, Gaider has decreed that transwomen are no big deal in the Dragon Age world.

I hope she's a romanceable companion in DA3. That would be epic, epic for the win.

I don't know where "stirring the pot" ends and "complete trolling" beings any more Roguey.

 

[Roguey]

I was being facetious about the romance part. I'd like to see explicitly gay and trans ~companions~ who aren't just there for the player character's pleasure. Stop being so fauxgressive Bioware.

 

[DalekFlay]

I'm fine with well-written and subtle gay characters in games. The problem is Bioware suck at writing well and being subtle.

"HI MY NAME IS ANDERS COULD YOU FUCK MY ASSHOLE? THANKS!"

 

[tuluse]

I was being facetious about the romance part. I'd like to see explicitly gay and trans ~companions~ who aren't just there for the player character's pleasure. Stop being so fauxgressive Bioware.

In that case I agree. Well actually I don't care what sexual orientation the characters have, but I'm fine with it.

 

[Cromwell]

For a Forum about Gaming you all are very keen to express your thoughts about fucking

 

[Jaesun]

This is the shit game forum. Just FYI.

 

[Cromwell]

This is the shit game forum. Just FYI.

yes I know, and a Thread about Dragonage so fucking is just one step away from gaming in this case. I wonder when I treat every Human equally based on his suefulness to me does that make me progressive because I dont judge them based on the holes they stick their bodyparts in?

 

[Roguey]

I'm fine with well-written and subtle gay characters in games. The problem is Bioware suck at writing well and being subtle.

"HI MY NAME IS ANDERS COULD YOU FUCK MY ASSHOLE? THANKS!"

A desire for "subtle" gay characters sounds like homophobia to me and the lack of a disproportionate negative reaction to any other (female) characters hitting on the player character in Bioware games proves it.

 

[evdk]

I found that irritating coming from every one of those assholes. Bioware can't do subtle anything, let alone gay.

 

[kris]

For a Forum about Gaming you all are very keen to express your thoughts about fucking

So whats your favourite position Crom'?

 

[Jaesun]

This is the shit game forum. Just FYI.

yes I know, and a Thread about Dragonage so fucking is just one step away from gaming in this case. I wonder when I treat every Human equally based on his suefulness to me does that make me progressive because I dont judge them based on the holes they stick their bodyparts in?

What else is there really to discuss? BioWare make shit mass accessible dumbed down console shit. The only thing worthy of any discussion is in the other forum.

This forum is for shitposters and retards.

 

[Grunker]

I'm fine with well-written and subtle gay characters in games. The problem is Bioware suck at writing well and being subtle.

"HI MY NAME IS ANDERS COULD YOU FUCK MY ASSHOLE? THANKS!"

A desire for "subtle" gay characters sounds like homophobia to me and the lack of a disproportionate negative reaction to any other (female) characters hitting on the player character in Bioware games proves it.

I agree that the overreaction to gay characters is homophobia, but that still doesn't take the merit out of the fact that all BioWare romances - gay or straight - are written by idiots who think tossing yourself at the nearest object of desire constitutes epic romance.

EDIT: BioWare's gays are actually pretty homophobic most often - completely stereotypical. Their rendition of gays are taken straight out of some hillbilly's concept of a person that lives in San Fransico and goes to gay bars on saturday night in a ballerina-skirt.