KickStarter Darkest Dungeon AKA the Celerity Attention Whore Thread

[Mortmal]

"A stylish and atmospheric party-based dungeon crawler with light RPG elements and stress mechanics. Gets repetitive after 1000 hours, so don't overdo it"

FYI I'm okay with deleting it. Roguelites aren't exactly the Codex's thing anyway

Eh, maybe once nobody cares it's there. Why remove it when it's still generating butthurt?

Amazing how fast you adapted to your new responsabilities....

 

[Jimmious]

"A stylish and atmospheric party-based dungeon crawler with light RPG elements and stress mechanics. Gets repetitive after 1000 hours, so don't overdo it"

FYI I'm okay with deleting it. Roguelites aren't exactly the Codex's thing anyway

Please leave it, its the best recommendation ever

 

[Ellef]

Might as well, the idea of a steam curator is a joke anyway.

 

[Angthoron]

It's always a joke when people disagree with the curator, and the best thing since sliced bread when they agree. Sure, it could be removed, but basically that means that it encourages people to think that we'll remove/add anything as long as enough cries are heard. Which is essentially what's going on in mainstream media right now, and I seem to see the same people that demand curator takedown to have a problem with information taken down elsewhere, like, say, having an issue with a certain review being flagged on Steam. Pick a fucking course and stick with it, people.

The updated curator note reflects the strengths and weaknesses of the game and is also a miniature trolling, which'll likely be eventually modified into something like "Decent in small doses, otherwise repetitive". If someone still needs a quest compass after such a glowing recommendation, well, I'm sorry but that's something they need to bring up with their parents.

Amazing how fast you adapted to your new responsabilities....

It's more that the job requirements fit me like a glove.

 

[Bubbles]

Sure, it could be removed, but basically that means that it encourages people to think that we'll remove/add anything as long as enough cries are heard. Which is essentially what's going on in mainstream media right now, and I seem to see the same people that demand curator takedown to have a problem with information taken down elsewhere, like, say, having an issue with a certain review being flagged on Steam. Pick a fucking course and stick with it, people.

Most mainstream media isn't supposed to represent a community tough.

 

[Angthoron]

Sure, it could be removed, but basically that means that it encourages people to think that we'll remove/add anything as long as enough cries are heard. Which is essentially what's going on in mainstream media right now, and I seem to see the same people that demand curator takedown to have a problem with information taken down elsewhere, like, say, having an issue with a certain review being flagged on Steam. Pick a fucking course and stick with it, people.

Most mainstream media isn't supposed to represent a community tough.

If we're to really represent Codex in Curator, every review should be changed to "AWESOME, SHIT, BANAL, AMAZING, FAPPED TEN TIMES, MAKERS ARE FAGGOTS, KINGCOMRADE"

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Sure, it could be removed, but basically that means that it encourages people to think that we'll remove/add anything as long as enough cries are heard. Which is essentially what's going on in mainstream media right now, and I seem to see the same people that demand curator takedown to have a problem with information taken down elsewhere, like, say, having an issue with a certain review being flagged on Steam. Pick a fucking course and stick with it, people.

Most mainstream media isn't supposed to represent a community tough.

If we're to really represent Codex in Curator, every review should be changed to "AWESOME, SHIT, BANAL, AMAZING, FAPPED TEN TIMES, MAKERS ARE FAGGOTS, KINGCOMRADE"

You forgot- played seven times, game is shit.

 

[Lacrymas]

Well, I certainly wasn't expecting this when I opened this thread. I just wanted to see how people are disappointed with the damage spam fest this game is. Pirated it and realized that in the third "dungeon" then quickly uninstalled. I always like reading valid and thought-out criticisms but Celerity takes it to a whole new level.

Celerity, with your fervor-like dedication you might achieve something worthwhile, use it wisely.

 

[Starwars]

I think I found Celerity:

 

[Gord]

"A stylish and atmospheric party-based dungeon crawler with light RPG elements and stress mechanics. Gets repetitive after 1000 hours, so don't overdo it"

FYI I'm okay with deleting it. Roguelites aren't exactly the Codex's thing anyway

Eh, maybe once nobody cares it's there. Why remove it when it's still generating butthurt?

"Overdoses (1000+ hours) have been known to cause OCD."

 

[vonAchdorf]

Any game with a codex thread > 50 (70) pages should automatically be included in the curator list.

 

[prodigydancer]

Any game with a codex thread > 50 (70) pages should automatically be included in the curator list.

Any game with at least 1337 posts.

 

[ST'Ranger]

It's interesting seeing the logic of "we won't remove this from the curator because that would be pandering" (this different kind of pandering is not pandering, trust me). How about removing it because it's shallow under-delivered over-"designed" decline and in no way belongs in the company of most of those other games, which range from stellar to quite good and have actual effectual RPG mechanics? Maybe AAA was right all these years and voice acting is the only thing that matters in games. I suppose I should get in line and preorder Darkest Dungeon 2.

I can understand first recommending it many months ago when it presented a view of a reasonably strong fundamentally sound backbone, with the promise of more content built up around that sound structure. But now that the developer has designed all the choices out of the game in order to fix minor problems, it's Progress Quest with good artwork and narration. The gameplay has devolved significantly while the grind has increased in kind. So is pandering to the non-pandering crowd a better choice than disassociating this lemon with RPG Codex?

Also, on a different topic, I think it's reasonable to poke fun at Celerity for his obsession, but the things he's saying are fundamentally correct when you wash away the angry verbiage.

 

[Reinhardt]

Even now DD can still end as RPG of the year.

 

[Angthoron]

How about removing it because it's shallow under-delivered over-"designed" decline and in no way belongs in the company of most of those other games.

I can think of about 20 other games I could remove by this same premise.

 

[agris]

How about removing it because it's shallow under-delivered over-"designed" decline and in no way belongs in the company of most of those other games.

I can think of about 20 other games I could remove by this same premise.

Perhaps they should be?

 

[mixer]

First we should probably define what is an RPG.

 

[Angthoron]

How about removing it because it's shallow under-delivered over-"designed" decline and in no way belongs in the company of most of those other games.

I can think of about 20 other games I could remove by this same premise.

Perhaps they should be?

Yeah, and then people will cry because Pillars of Eternity is no longer there.

I don't exactly see what the big deal here is. Original "Let's remove this from curation list" came from someone having a kneejerk reaction to a kneejerk reaction. It wasn't really because said poster identified the game as bad, it was because he took one side's points at face value and stuck to them. That's cool, everyone can have their opinion. A couple of people said the game is shit. A couple of other people said they like it. Does this sound unanimous? Probably not. Would it represent the community to take it out immediately? Probably not. Will Codex review the game so people get some sort of an idea what it's all about? Fuck knows. Right now, it's the closest people can have of a TL;DR view on the game by our community. Might as well keep it for now, so people see that it's NOT a proper RPG, and that it IS grindy, though atmospheric.

And then later we can take it out - but at least by then people will know that it was because it's not a proper RPG, and not just all of a sudden, after what appeared to be high hopes in the previous description.

Not that anyone actually gives a fuck what Codex recommends, you know.

 

[Mortmal]

How about removing it because it's shallow under-delivered over-"designed" decline and in no way belongs in the company of most of those other games.

I can think of about 20 other games I could remove by this same premise.

Making a shorter curator list with better quality content is an improvement . 20 titles to remove i am not sure its even enough , just looking at the list tis obvious you need an executionner for that job, a butcher with no feelings...There's indies there none really enjoy nor play.
Also removing titles could generate butthurt too, so its a win win situation .

 

[Mortmal]

First we should probably define what is an RPG.

Some aliens with advanced technology have solved this science mystery already, however they gifted it to the wrong place : http://www.rpgwatch.com/crpg-analyzer.html

 

[Angthoron]

How about removing it because it's shallow under-delivered over-"designed" decline and in no way belongs in the company of most of those other games.

I can think of about 20 other games I could remove by this same premise.

Making a shorter curator list with better quality content is an improvement . 20 titles to remove i am not sure its even enough , just looking at the list tis obvious you need an executionner for that job, a butcher with no feelings...There's indies there none really enjoy nor play.
Also removing titles could generate butthurt too, so its a win win situation .

Well, it's a discussion that took place in Site Feedback about two dozen times by now. I doubt it's ever gonna happen. As it is though, we have, in my personal opinion at least, far worse games on our list than DD.

First we should probably define what is an RPG.

Some aliens with advanced technology have solved this science mystery already, however they gifted it to the wrong place : http://www.rpgwatch.com/crpg-analyzer.html

This must explain their curator list...

 

[agris]

Yeah, and then people will cry because Pillars of Eternity is no longer there.

I don't exactly see what the big deal here is. Original "Let's remove this from curation list" came from someone having a kneejerk reaction to a kneejerk reaction. It wasn't really because said poster identified the game as bad, it was because he took one side's points at face value and stuck to them. That's cool, everyone can have their opinion. A couple of people said the game is shit. A couple of other people said they like it. Does this sound unanimous? Probably not. Would it represent the community to take it out immediately? Probably not. Will Codex review the game so people get some sort of an idea what it's all about? Fuck knows. Right now, it's the closest people can have of a TL;DR view on the game by our community. Might as well keep it for now, so people see that it's NOT a proper RPG, and that it IS grindy, though atmospheric.

And then later we can take it out - but at least by then people will know that it was because it's not a proper RPG, and not just all of a sudden, after what appeared to be high hopes in the previous description.

Not that anyone actually gives a fuck what Codex recommends, you know.

Don't get me wrong, I don't give two shits about the list, I'm just saying if the option is raising the bar vs lowering it/keeping it low, why not raise it? This game really isn't an RPG game or a deep strategic/tactical game, though Pope Amole II's recent postis have indicated it might have more tactical versatility than the posters who talk about damage-spam indicate.

Anyway, it seems like the problem with the curator list is that it isn't defined. What is it supposed to be? Right now it's defined by what it is, which is a reflection of pop Codex culture. That's fine, maybe that's all it should be. If we want it to be a list of good RPG and Strategy games though, I don't think DD fits.

I'm also a KS backer and enjoyed the game way before the corpse and the hound update, and haven't played since then.

 

[Mortmal]

Worse than DD ? i am not sure , theres something i really, but really hate its when marketing take over gameplay . Lot of fluff , youtubers promoting the games,hiding behind early acces and a shitty shallow gameplay at release. Many games on the list are garbage thats for sure, but none been deceiving like this one. I was really hyped for this ,i am not the only , it had really cool ideas but they stopped at that . I can forgive errors and mistakes but behaviours like that no .
Same reason i absolutely loathe sword coast , promoting a baldur's gate spiritual sequel and ending up with dumbed down low budget rpg lite for kids .Shitting on the most prestigious license in my eyes that is D&D .

As for the rpgwatch curator list, its even shittier but its no surprise everything they do is neutral positive ,extremely positive even. It has good news but its mainly about promoting and advertising games, not really reviewing them .They are no better than ign and such and probably getting some money from gaming studios marketing budget.

 

[Infinitron]

As Curator Overlord(tm), I was okay with adding DD because it seemed to be in the same category of promising hardcore indies like Starcrawlers and Battle Brothers, with even stereotypically edgy Codexers like FSM/MSF fanboying for it.

But after it came out on Early Access, it seems to have drifted in a different direction than those games.

 

[agris]

Yea, I think BB and Starcrawlers are currently in a different category than DD. Though I haven't played SC yet.